Cop who shot dead intoxicated Muslim student

[Shooby]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3116205/Long-Beach-cop-shot-dead-intoxicated-Muslim-student-disobeyed-commands-named.html


The name of the Long Beach police officer who shot and killed an unarmed, intoxicated Muslim student has been identified.

Officer Matthew Hernandez, a 12-year department veteran, was named in the May 27 shooting of Feras Morad, 20, who was high on mushrooms at the time of his death, witnesses said.

Morad, an aspiring lawyer studying at Moorpark College, had reacted badly to the drug and jumped through a second-story window shortly before officers arrived.

Friends had called the police because they were concerned about his injuries after he suffered a 'deep gash' after going through the glass and hitting the concrete below.

[Value Buy]

Does anyone else find it strange we keep quoting a United Kingdom publication for these types of things?
I know I have used it in the past too.
Just strange we have to get the news from an outside source.

I do not like the term "intoxicated" when someone is taking drugs. I know it is interchangeable, but still, drug use is different with different effects from a drunken stupor.
I would also like to know if they requested an ambulance when they called rather than the police, before making a judgment on this one.

[Shooby]

I like the Daily Mail. They report a lot of news and in much greater detail and with pictures, etc.

But, I have made points about Police getting more training in dealing with intoxicated, addicted or the mentally ill. Seems to be a Shoot First mentality right now.

[Value Buy]

Jun 9, 2015 7:12:01 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I like the Daily Mail. They report a lot of news and in much greater detail and with pictures, etc.

But, I have made points about Police getting more training in dealing with intoxicated, addicted or the mentally ill. Seems to be a Shoot First mentality right now.

I agree.

[Deleted]

Seems very unjustified to shoot this kid after tazing and hitting him in the head to subdue him. WTF is wrong with these cops? The guy is down on the ground & cop shoots 3 times??  It makes no sense.

This is scary. When something like that happens, you can't really throw the person in the car to get them to hospital since they might jump out. You don't have a lot of choice but to call 911 for assistance & to get ambulance; but cops will always come ahead of ambulance. 

[EVT1]

What amazes me is how cops in every other civilized country in the world manage to handle their intoxicated or belligerent citizens without shooting them.

Wonder how many cops in he UK would pull a gun on teenagers at a pool party- or you think maybe they could handle it without needing one. 

[mroped]

Jun 9, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

What amazes me is how cops in every other civilized country in the world manage to handle their intoxicated or belligerent citizens without shooting them.

Wonder how many cops in he UK would pull a gun on teenagers at a pool party- or you think maybe they could handle it without needing one. 

In most European countries, cops are government employees. Bringing a law suit against a police department because a cop roughed you up when he arrested your drunk ass would make the judge laugh and you will most certainly be asked to check yourself in a psychiatric facility just in case.
In US, depends very much on who the parents are and how much they donated to the judges election campaign.

But none of that is an excuse for what this cop did. It sounds like the cop was the one on shrooms.

[mroped]

And how did they arrive to the conclusion that he was Muslim and what would be the relevance of that?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 9, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

What amazes me is how cops in every other civilized country in the world manage to handle their intoxicated or belligerent citizens without shooting them.

Wonder how many cops in he UK would pull a gun on teenagers at a pool party- or you think maybe they could handle it without needing one. 

While I would hate to see the police in the situation they were in in France when they had no guns while islamic terrorists had automatic weapons; we have definitely seem to have a culture of aggression and escalation with the object being to subdue people rather than to reason with them, or sort out what's going on. It's a real problem that's going to end with a Europeanized neutered police force if the police can't figure out the damn difference between a pool party and what happened in Dallas last night.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 9, 2015 13:37:41 GMT -5 mroped said:

And how did they arrive to the conclusion that he was Muslim and what would be the relevance of that?

You don't get out much, do you?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 9, 2015 7:03:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Does anyone else find it strange we keep quoting a United Kingdom publication for these types of things?
I know I have used it in the past too.
Just strange we have to get the news from an outside source.

I do not like the term "intoxicated" when someone is taking drugs. I know it is interchangeable, but still, drug use is different with different effects from a drunken stupor.
I would also like to know if they requested an ambulance when they called rather than the police, before making a judgment on this one.

i believe the Daily Mail is a Murdoch publication.  and no, i don't find it surprising at all.

[weltschmerz]

The Daily Mail is a rag of the first order. Many of their stories are complete BS.

The Daily Mail is a reactionary tabloid rag masquerading as a "traditional values," middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the worst of the British gutter press (only Rupert Murdoch's Sun is worse). Its weighty Sunday counterpart is the Mail on Sunday.

The Daily Mail is to the U.K. what the New York Post is to the United States, and what the Drudge Report is to the Internet: to wit, gossipy tabloid "journalism" for those who cannot digest serious news, with a flippantly wingnut editorial stance. The Daily Mail is notable among British tabloids for rejecting the standard red-top banner in order to try to appear more upmarket and respectable, although it does sometimes go in for the full front-page picture or headline characteristic of the populist rags. It is also notorious for its frequent harassment of individuals, campaigns of hate directed at various minorities, and willfully deceiving and lying to its readers.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

[djAdvocate]

Jun 15, 2015 12:48:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

The Daily Mail is a rag of the first order. Many of their stories are complete BS.

The Daily Mail is a reactionary tabloid rag masquerading as a "traditional values," middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the worst of the British gutter press (only Rupert Murdoch's Sun is worse). Its weighty Sunday counterpart is the Mail on Sunday.

The Daily Mail is to the U.K. what the New York Post is to the United States, and what the Drudge Report is to the Internet: to wit, gossipy tabloid "journalism" for those who cannot digest serious news, with a flippantly wingnut editorial stance. The Daily Mail is notable among British tabloids for rejecting the standard red-top banner in order to try to appear more upmarket and respectable, although it does sometimes go in for the full front-page picture or headline characteristic of the populist rags. It is also notorious for its frequent harassment of individuals, campaigns of hate directed at various minorities, and willfully deceiving and lying to its readers.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

spot on.

i was going to say Washington Times, which is also a popular citation, here.