24 years ago china- tiananmen - massacre remembered

[deziloooooo]

I was wondering if we are reaching the point where the events that happened in that square 24 years ago are being forgotten ..even by some of the younger folks here...That iconic event..IMHO..that was epitomized  by that one picture of the man..coming home from shopping..see his packages in his hand..standing in front of the Tank column ..as it tried to pass him..he never moving away...

Probably not one of the active student protestors in the square..the ones who built that silver "Statue of Liberty.." remember..? Just a guy passing bye on the way home...knew the tanks , the government troops..that was wrong...showing such bravery and we were privileged  to watch it...in a way equal to the bravery shown by those who are awarded our "Medal of Honor " but never do we see that actual event...here we did..yet never to know his fate or name..

It seems in " Hong Kong " the day is still remembered..according to this article , 135,000 showed up to  silently remember......


www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/hong-kong-marks-china-tiananmen-massacre-anniversary-150604161530897.html

[b2r]

  

[mroped]

What is even weirder is the fact that the man was detained, questioned and then released. Unheard of in China or any other comunist country.
In 1991 the rest of the comunist block was collapsed already. It was expected to lead to something in china to!

[Tennesseer]

The older you get, events such as Tiananmen Square seem like just yesterday.

[Value Buy]

Just today it was announced China stole info from the Federal government on four million present and former employees.
And yet, they are our trading partners, and considered an ok country as far as we are concerned.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2015 18:16:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Just today it was announced China stole info from the Federal government on four million present and former employees.
And yet, they are our trading partners, and considered an ok country as far as we are concerned.

Everyone spies on friends and foes. Israel spies on the U.S.-the U.S. spies on Israel. Germany spies on the U.S.-the U.S. spies on Germany. And on and on and on. .

[Value Buy]

Jun 4, 2015 18:22:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 4, 2015 18:16:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Just today it was announced China stole info from the Federal government on four million present and former employees.
And yet, they are our trading partners, and considered an ok country as far as we are concerned.

Everyone spies on friends and foes. Israel spies on the U.S.-the U.S. spies on Israel. Germany spies on the U.S.-the U.S. spies on Germany. And on and on and on. .

Yes, and yet just tonight on the CBS Evening news the Feds say it is hard to track ISIS followers here on the dark web when they go to underground chat forums, but all governments can attack and enter our government computer systems.
Or so says the government

[deziloooooo]

Jun 4, 2015 18:05:50 GMT -5 mroped said:

What is even weirder is the fact that the man was detained, questioned and then released. Unheard of in China or any other comunist country.
In 1991 the rest of the comunist block was collapsed already. It was expected to lead to in china to!

I never knew that..are you sure. I thought he would have suffered whatever..prison or worse...If you read the sub articles here..see my posted..mother of a dead student to this day is still hounded..

According to the "wicki.." the man was never identified and his fate is unknown...there are rumors as the wicki shows but no definitive  explanation as to his fate..according to Wicki..that is..

[mroped]

I was watching that video with the man standing in front of the tanks, groceries bags in hand, moving side to side in front of the tank and got curious about it.  
Tha at was a couple years ago!
I found an article about it I believe was published in one of the "majors" in US and was detailing about the event. I think some Human Rights international organization got right on it and helped him out.
A renowned Chinese journalist by the name of Wong or something like that that was present said that PBS(some type of Secre Service, very abusive typicaly) never had him and that he escaped to Taiwan.
Nobody realy knows his name, identity and so on.
And this was on June 5th 1989 not 91 as I said before.
He was nicknamed Sunday Express.

[NoNamePerson]

How many remember Kent State?

[NoNamePerson]

Jun 4, 2015 18:16:02 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Just today it was announced China stole info from the Federal government on four million present and former employees.
And yet, they are our trading partners, and considered an ok country as far as we are concerned.

That's because as a nation we are dumb/stupid as a mud fence.   

[mmhmm]

Jun 4, 2015 20:11:05 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

How many remember Kent State?

I sure do. Cried for weeks.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2015 20:11:05 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

How many remember Kent State?

I do.

I was going to post CSN&Y's Ohio video, but your video already has it.

[Tennesseer]

Exiled Tiananmen student leaders find that home remains out of bounds

Xiong Yan helped lead his fellow students 26 years ago at Tiananmen Square and then escaped China to become a US Army chaplain. Now he is praying for one main thing: to see his ailing mother before it is too late.

But his mother is in China. Despite Maj. Xiong’s pleas to President Xi Jinping for clemency, the government is not allowing him back into the country.

There is no legal basis for this,” says Xiong, who was turned back by officials at the Hong Kong airport last month. “I hold a US passport and I just want to see my mother.

”Xiong is one of a dozen former student leaders on China’s 1989 most-wanted list who fled or were forced into exile, and who have been banned from their homeland ever since the June 4th  massacre. In those heady and dangerous days, the students never imagined they would not come home, and would pay such a heavy personal price for their decision to leave China.

Full article below.

Exiled Tiananmen student leaders find that home remains out of bounds

[deziloooooo]

Jun 4, 2015 20:22:02 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Jun 4, 2015 20:11:05 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

How many remember Kent State?

I sure do. Cried for weeks.

I can still picture that young girl on her knees I believe kneeling over the shot young man with her face and hands to the sky...In hind site, why those National Guardsmen were even issued live ammunition is beyond me...if that had to be then why ordered to load the weapons...The mood of the country then was so polorized.....many felt it was perfectly ok to shoot down those hippies..."better dead  then red .." was one phrase I remember...

[Tennesseer]

Jun 5, 2015 2:07:05 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Jun 4, 2015 20:22:02 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I sure do. Cried for weeks.

I can still picture that young girl on her knees I believe kneeling over the shot young man with her face and hands to the sky...In hind site, why those National Guardsmen were even issued live ammunition is beyond me...if that had to be then why ordered to load the weapons...The mood of the country then was so polorized.....many felt it was perfectly ok to shoot down those hippies..."better dead  then red .." was one phrase I remember...

Minor bit of trivia: If I remember correctly, the young woman kneeling by the young man was not a student at Kent State but a local a high school student attending the protest.

[NoNamePerson]

Jun 5, 2015 8:17:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 5, 2015 2:07:05 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

I can still picture that young girl on her knees I believe kneeling over the shot young man with her face and hands to the sky...In hind site, why those National Guardsmen were even issued live ammunition is beyond me...if that had to be then why ordered to load the weapons...The mood of the country then was so polorized.....many felt it was perfectly ok to shoot down those hippies..."better dead  then red .." was one phrase I remember...

Minor bit of trivia: If I remember correctly, the young woman kneeling by the young man was not a student at Kent State but a local a high school student attending the protest.

And to add to that if my memory serves me without googling all over the place, she was a runaway and that's how her parents found her. But if she was "local" then she couldn't have been a runaway - just saw that word in your post. May have to google this later. They say the memory is the first to go  and mine takes a leave of absence ocassionally  

[Tennesseer]

Jun 5, 2015 8:49:43 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Jun 5, 2015 8:17:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Minor bit of trivia: If I remember correctly, the young woman kneeling by the young man was not a student at Kent State but a local a high school student attending the protest.

And to add to that if my memory serves me without googling all over the place, she was a runaway and that's how her parents found her. But if she was "local" then she couldn't have been a runaway - just saw that word in your post. May have to google this later. They say the memory is the first to go  and mine takes a leave of absence ocassionally  

I think you are right about being a runaway. That sounds familiar. I did though remember she was not attending Kent State.

A shame I cannot remember what I had for dinner last night. On the other hand, that could be a blessing.

[NoNamePerson]

Well, my curiosity got the best of me so here's a link if anyone interested. Sorry I derailed the Tiananmen thread from the git go!! But Kent State is the first thing that comes to mind when someone in US brings up Tianamen Square.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Vecchio 

Vecchio was a runaway from New York City where she attended Westview Junior High School. She bartered her story after the shootings to a local reporter in exchange for a bus ticket to California. She was found by police before she boarded the bus, and sent back to her family, who reportedly later sued T-shirt companies for 40% of the profits of sales featuring Filo's photograph. Following Filo's publication of the photograph through the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review satellite paper Valley Daily News and its subsequent pickup internationally, Florida governor Claude Kirk labelled Vecchio a dissident communist.[2]

[NoNamePerson]

Jun 5, 2015 9:00:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 5, 2015 8:49:43 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

And to add to that if my memory serves me without googling all over the place, she was a runaway and that's how her parents found her. But if she was "local" then she couldn't have been a runaway - just saw that word in your post. May have to google this later. They say the memory is the first to go  and mine takes a leave of absence ocassionally  

I think you are right about being a runaway. That sounds familiar. I did though remember she was not attending Kent State.

A shame I cannot remember what I had for dinner last night. On the other hand, that could be a blessing.

Don't fret Tenn, I can't tell you what I just had for breakfast or if I have even had breakfast!!!!