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Post by OldCoyote on May 30, 2015 22:14:19 GMT -5
Little boys and their toys, They don't look so little to me, I would not say to their face that they were just little boys.
But I'm sure that you are braver than I am.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2015 22:16:52 GMT -5
Little boys and their toys, They don't look so little to me, I would not say to their face that they were just little boys. But I'm sure that you are braver than I am. I am. |
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Post by OldCoyote on May 30, 2015 22:28:02 GMT -5
If you seen me in the videos , which side do you think i would be on?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2015 22:34:49 GMT -5
If you seen me in the videos , which side do you think i would be on? Comedy or horror film? |
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Post by OldCoyote on May 30, 2015 22:44:56 GMT -5
I Didn't make it there, Worked too late, the police had closed a bunch of streets here, I know this will shock you,
If I could have made it I was going to stand between the protesters and the Mosque,
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Post by tallguy on May 30, 2015 23:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by b2r on May 31, 2015 11:32:02 GMT -5
"Draw Mohamed" events are one off events, that are easy to ignore. The reason not to draw Mohamed is because of fear of idolatry, not because of any inherent evil in drawing him. (in my understanding). There is no sensible reason people can't just ignore these type of events. Sticks and stones .... The people doing the event might just be looking to incite, but anyone who gets upset is just looking to be incited. If it is wrong on one side then it is equally wrong on the other. It is just a piece of paper with some pencil marks. Good on ya for sticking to your values, hickle. That is precisely it. It has nothing to due with content, it's the fact that it's considered blasphemy just having a picture of Moe. For instance, DA Vinci's last supper is idolatry because it depicts the Messiah. Here is a million dollar painting... Chris Ofili’s ‘The Holy Virgin Mary’ to Be Sold What would happen if Christie's were to auction off the Je Suis Charlie photo? Oh and.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 11:50:22 GMT -5
What people are getting killed for is pencil marks on paper. I know it is a strong symbol, but it hurts no one. Every parent every where has had to tell a child to just ignore people who want to insult you. To my children's credit they never had a hard time with that concept.
There is nothing in the Koran against drawing pictures of Mohamed. In fact there once was a tradition of drawing him in the early years. One of the religious posters here could just as easily say that drawing pictures of Jesus can lead to idolatry and should be prohibited. Some fundamental Chrisitian church could say it is offended by paintings of Jesus and we would be forced to put away art masterpieces.
It is just a bunch of bullies who want to scare people into doing what they want.
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2015 12:03:30 GMT -5
Little boys and their toys, They don't look so little to me, I would not say to their face that they were just little boys. But I'm sure that you are braver than I am. Why not? Are you intimidated by them? That's exactly what they are trying to do- intimidate people. I'd tell them to stick their rifles up their un-American bigoted asses and fuck off- what are they going to do about it? Commit a battery? In front of the police? While armed?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:08:47 GMT -5
Little boys and their toys, They don't look so little to me, I would not say to their face that they were just little boys. But I'm sure that you are braver than I am. Why not? Are you intimidated by them? That's exactly what they are trying to do- intimidate people. I'd tell them to stick their rifles up their un-American bigoted asses and fuck off- what are they going to do about it? Commit a battery? In front of the police? While armed?
How is it the people who are trying to intimidate cartoonists manage to intimidate? Is it exclusively with bombs or don't they also use guns? |
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Post by billisonboard on May 31, 2015 12:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2015 12:36:03 GMT -5
Why not? Are you intimidated by them? That's exactly what they are trying to do- intimidate people. I'd tell them to stick their rifles up their un-American bigoted asses and fuck off- what are they going to do about it? Commit a battery? In front of the police? While armed?
How is it the people who are trying to intimidate cartoonists manage to intimidate? Is it exclusively with bombs or don't they also use guns? They do it by actually using bombs and guns. They are terrorists- and assholes as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:40:48 GMT -5
How is it the people who are trying to intimidate cartoonists manage to intimidate? Is it exclusively with bombs or don't they also use guns? They do it by actually using bombs and guns. They are terrorists- and assholes as well. One group uses pencils and paper and the other uses bombs and guns. And you worry about the ones with pencil and paper? You are literally complaining about people making drawings that other people do not like. |
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Post by tallguy on May 31, 2015 12:45:05 GMT -5
No, people are complaining about one group being assholes when there is no reason to be, other than that they can and they wish to. Screw 'em.
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Post by mroped on May 31, 2015 13:59:38 GMT -5
What people are getting killed for is pencil marks on paper. I know it is a strong symbol, but it hurts no one. Every parent every where has had to tell a child to just ignore people who want to insult you. To my children's credit they never had a hard time with that concept. There is nothing in the Koran against drawing pictures of Mohamed. In fact there once was a tradition of drawing him in the early years. One of the religious posters here could just as easily say that drawing pictures of Jesus can lead to idolatry and should be prohibited. Some fundamental Chrisitian church could say it is offended by paintings of Jesus and we would be forced to put away art masterpieces. It is just a bunch of bullies who want to scare people into doing what they want. One of the Ten Comendments is saying " thy shall not pray to painted faces!" The Orthodox religion does that. Home or in a church, there are icons all over and people address their prayers to them. but somehow they managed to disregard that and get on with their lives The Muslims on the other hand, d not accept painting or carvings of saints/prophets. And they realy stick with the Ten Comendments. At least the devout Muslims do. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2015 16:29:52 GMT -5
They do it by actually using bombs and guns. They are terrorists- and assholes as well. One group uses pencils and paper and the other uses bombs and guns. And you worry about the ones with pencil and paper? You are literally complaining about people making drawings that other people do not like. There are more than two groups no matter how some people try to promote that idea.
Assholes that intentionally set out to intimidate and insult a group of American citizens at their place of worship are not artists or cartoonists- they are in the same category as the Westboro Baptist Church nuts.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:37:58 GMT -5
One group uses pencils and paper and the other uses bombs and guns. And you worry about the ones with pencil and paper? You are literally complaining about people making drawings that other people do not like. There are more than two groups no matter how some people try to promote that idea.
Assholes that intentionally set out to intimidate and insult a group of American citizens at their place of worship are not artists or cartoonists- they are in the same category as the Westboro Baptist Church nuts.
The cartoonists were the ones murdered by those who do not like certain drawing. "Je Suis Charlie" was a common enough saying after those murders. I guess since a few months have passed by, we can forget that and quit standing with the idea that a drawing of something is no excuse for murder. It is just a piece of paper with a drawing on it. It is not in the same category as standing outside of someone's funeral spewing bile, imo. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2015 19:16:38 GMT -5
A whole lot of Muslims may have been offended by the drawing. Perhaps millions. Yet two violent assholes are the only ones that committed murder over it.
And it is exactly the same thing as Westboro- they are doing this bullshit where fellow citizens come to pray, and are protesting their choice of religion (Last I checked "Fuck Islam" is not a cartoon) and they are going after the wrong people in the first place- they should take their asses overseas and hold their little pow-wow in front of ISIS. I'll buy them a plane ticket. They can bring their guns too.
I thought at least some good came out of it as a few of these jerks were invited inside to talk it out. I imagine they felt like shit pretty quick.
BTW- turns out the asshole that started this bullshit was selling the "Fuck Islam" shirts 
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 21:27:31 GMT -5
A whole lot of Muslims may have been offended by the drawing. Perhaps millions. Yet two violent assholes are the only ones that committed murder over it.
And it is exactly the same thing as Westboro- they are doing this bullshit where fellow citizens come to pray, and are protesting their choice of religion (Last I checked "Fuck Islam" is not a cartoon) and they are going after the wrong people in the first place- they should take their asses overseas and hold their little pow-wow in front of ISIS. I'll buy them a plane ticket. They can bring their guns too.
I thought at least some good came out of it as a few of these jerks were invited inside to talk it out. I imagine they felt like shit pretty quick.
BTW- turns out the asshole that started this bullshit was selling the "Fuck Islam" shirts
What are you talking about two violent assholes? There has been more then two incidents where people are killed over cartoons. |
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2015 22:07:31 GMT -5
So what is your count of cartoon killers? And whatever number you come up with so what? Considering the sheer number of people that choose Islam as their religion whatever it is is some super tiny group- kind of like the 200 assholes that pulled this shit in no way represent the rest of America.
You need to lose the 'cartoon' angle because that was just some bullshit (and obviously so) attempt to cover organized hate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 15:37:17 GMT -5
So what is your count of cartoon killers? And whatever number you come up with so what? Considering the sheer number of people that choose Islam as their religion whatever it is is some super tiny group- kind of like the 200 assholes that pulled this shit in no way represent the rest of America.
You need to lose the 'cartoon' angle because that was just some bullshit (and obviously so) attempt to cover organized hate. You do not know what motivates these people. You say it is hate, maybe it is contempt for Islam, a religion that wants to cover women up because their face or body is the property of someone, or the body is sinful, whatever the reason is, I have contempt for the beliefs. At the end of the day it is drawings on a piece of paper that people were killed over, in the name of Islam. You say it is not about free speech but plenty of people self -censor because they do not want to offend Islam or its misogynistic teachings. If their God is so thin skinned that He can't handle a "fuck Islam" t-shirt, what kind of God is He? |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 1, 2015 18:14:24 GMT -5
So what is your count of cartoon killers? And whatever number you come up with so what? Considering the sheer number of people that choose Islam as their religion whatever it is is some super tiny group- kind of like the 200 assholes that pulled this shit in no way represent the rest of America.
You need to lose the 'cartoon' angle because that was just some bullshit (and obviously so) attempt to cover organized hate. You do not know what motivates these people. You say it is hate, maybe it is contempt for Islam, a religion that wants to cover women up because their face or body is the property of someone, or the body is sinful, whatever the reason is, I have contempt for the beliefs. At the end of the day it is drawings on a piece of paper that people were killed over, in the name of Islam. You say it is not about free speech but plenty of people self -censor because they do not want to offend Islam or its misogynistic teachings. If their God is so thin skinned that He can't handle a "fuck Islam" t-shirt, what kind of God is He? Is She. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 1, 2015 21:07:56 GMT -5
Little boys and their toys, They don't look so little to me, I would not say to their face that they were just little boys. But I'm sure that you are braver than I am. Why not? Are you intimidated by them? That's exactly what they are trying to do- intimidate people. I'd tell them to stick their rifles up their un-American bigoted asses and fuck off- what are they going to do about it? Commit a battery? In front of the police? While armed?
EVT, What happened in Texas 2 weeks ago. |
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 1, 2015 21:21:23 GMT -5
I don't know- what happened?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 1, 2015 21:25:13 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 1, 2015 21:53:40 GMT -5
That's a bit different isn't it? I wouldn't tell some Hell's Angels freak to fuck off anymore than some Crip- I am talking about these "big boys" you were referring to claiming to be law abiding citizens enjoying their rights to be dickholes.
Think about it- they are pretty much complaining about a handful of Muslims that resort to violence over a cartoon and think they should be able to handle their "Fuck Islam" T-shirts. Are you saying they cannot handle me telling them to fuck off without resorting to violence?
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