ABOLISH PASSPORTS ?

[uncle23]

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I'm not into politics enough to comment on this but I'm interested on what the experts here thinks.....there will be no input from me...

FREE TRADE FOR PRODUCTS
What about Free Passage for Humans?
by James Jaeger

Globalists (also known as "free traders") have gone out of their way to make the passage and transit of inanimate objects ("products") EASY while making the passage and transit of people ONEROUS.

If humans have inalienable rights -- rights granted by nature, God or the universe -- shouldn't the right of mobility ("locomotion") be one of them? Does a government have the right to draw a circle on a map (a "country") and then require humans to pay some sort of a license fee to move in or out of that circle? If your answer to this philosophical question is "no," how does one justify passports and extradition treaties?

Does a country or government have the right to force or restrict the locomotion of human beings across imaginary lines? Do these restrictions violate the principles of the free market and federalism, a subset of the free market? And by removing the decision-making process of locomotion from the individual and placing it into the realm of "international law" and "extradition treaties" does this practice not make humans into little more than pawns of the state? Let's take a closer look at these dynamics.

LINK TO FULL ARTICLE

[mmhmm]

uncle23, the above article is much too long to be posted in its entirety, as per our CoC.. Please edit to an excerpt and provide a link to the article. Since you're offline now, I'll check back this evening. If it hasn't been edited it will have to be removed.

mmhmm, Politics Moderator

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what is the tl;dr of that?

[EVT1]

That's a huge bite- I will wait on the condensed version

[mmhmm]

<chuckle> Okay, guys. I found a link. I'll go ahead and edit out after the first page and give you a link. 

mmhmm,  Politics Moderator

[EVT1]

At a minimum a government has and should have the right to know who the citizens are, and who is coming in and out of the country.  Since such knowledge comes at a cost I think fees are reasonable.  And of course the lines on the map are part of it- you start ignoring those and you invite chaos.  So until we actually do have a world government ala Star Trek going to have to pony up if you want to travel.

The problem isn't that 'globalists' have it wrong- perhaps that is where we end up- it is that this world is too effed up and immature to handle that kind of freedom at this time.  We are too busy killing each other over stupid shit, lines on the map being part of it.

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May 26, 2015 20:06:42 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

At a minimum a government has and should have the right to know who the citizens are, and who is coming in and out of the country.  Since such knowledge comes at a cost I think fees are reasonable.  And of course the lines on the map are part of it- you start ignoring those and you invite chaos.  So until we actually do have a world government ala Star Trek going to have to pony up if you want to travel.

The problem isn't that 'globalists' have it wrong- perhaps that is where we end up- it is that this world is too effed up and immature to handle that kind of freedom at this time.  We are too busy killing each other over stupid shit, lines on the map being part of it.

Exactly this.

Until humans grow up and stop worrying about what everyone else has/does, and stop wanting to dictate to others how they must live/worship/act... we need governments (sad as that makes me). And those governments need to track where/when people enter and exit their areas of responsibility (country). That takes some form of documentation tracking... like passports.

Unless people would rather go to bio-lojacking people (like in "Demolition Man")

[uncle23]

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Thanks mmhmm.....

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 26, 2015 16:42:56 GMT -5 uncle23 said:

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I'm not into politics enough to comment on this but I'm interested on what the experts here thinks.....there will be no input from me...

FREE TRADE FOR PRODUCTS
What about Free Passage for Humans?
by James Jaeger

Globalists (also known as "free traders") have gone out of their way to make the passage and transit of inanimate objects ("products") EASY while making the passage and transit of people ONEROUS.

If humans have inalienable rights -- rights granted by nature, God or the universe -- shouldn't the right of mobility ("locomotion") be one of them? Does a government have the right to draw a circle on a map (a "country") and then require humans to pay some sort of a license fee to move in or out of that circle? If your answer to this philosophical question is "no," how does one justify passports and extradition treaties?

Does a country or government have the right to force or restrict the locomotion of human beings across imaginary lines? Do these restrictions violate the principles of the free market and federalism, a subset of the free market? And by removing the decision-making process of locomotion from the individual and placing it into the realm of "international law" and "extradition treaties" does this practice not make humans into little more than pawns of the state? Let's take a closer look at these dynamics.

LINK TO FULL ARTICLE

There is one obvious, compelling answer to the question, isn't there? 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 26, 2015 20:06:42 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

At a minimum a government has and should have the right to know who the citizens are, and who is coming in and out of the country.  Since such knowledge comes at a cost I think fees are reasonable.  And of course the lines on the map are part of it- you start ignoring those and you invite chaos.  So until we actually do have a world government ala Star Trek going to have to pony up if you want to travel.

The problem isn't that 'globalists' have it wrong- perhaps that is where we end up- it is that this world is too effed up and immature to handle that kind of freedom at this time.  We are too busy killing each other over stupid shit, lines on the map being part of it.

Legitimate government, if you insist on having government, is a servant. It has no rights. We confer these powers onto governments because of the "free shit" economy- we want to make sure that when government commits armed robbery, that the proceeds are not accidentally bestowed upon some alien that doesn't deserve them. End the practice of using violence to confiscate and redistribute private property, then the case for government having the "right" to konw who the citizens are, and who is coming in and out of the country is quite diminished.

Lines on the map create the chaos. Governments squabbling over the lines on the map are like big, powerful, almost unstoppable gangs fighting over the turf and people they operate their various extortion rackets.

I'm skeptical of the idea that individuals ("the world") are too immature to handle that kind of freedom at this time.

[mmhmm]

May 27, 2015 12:41:25 GMT -5 uncle23 said:

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Thanks mmhmm.....

You're welcome. Didn't want to completely remove the post so I was hoping you wouldn't mind if I just edited and attached a link. Glad you didn't mind.