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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 6, 2015 19:30:23 GMT -5
And these kinds of issues aren't persistent in other contexts? For example, would you have trouble picking your vehicle out of a busy parking lot? Or if you left two chocolate bars on your desk and somebody asked you half a day later "What chocolate bars did you leave on your desk?", would you typically have trouble answering? It is really only in the natural world that I struggle. Man made objects are much easier for me. Curious. I feel duty-bound to offer the following advice: If you're ever out in the mountains hiking and you come across something white with black spots that you can't quite recognize, 99 times out of 100 it's a spotted pinata. People leave them lying around everywhere. The appropriate response is to go at it with a big stick until you get the goodies.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 6, 2015 19:36:07 GMT -5
www.tmz.com/2015/04/01/memories-pizza-closes-indiana-deny-service-gay-wedding/
Oh the demand for wedding pizzas
Small town, nobody asked for their opinion on anything, they called in to a radio station to make a statement, and apparently in one day they went from a wildly successful business in a small town of maybe 2000 people to bankruptcy in a day thanks to the law
50K worth of go fund me.
I love it!
To be honest, I would not donate to the go fund site in this case, because the people who sue will win the big bucks from them, negating the reason behind my donation (if I had made one)
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 6, 2015 19:43:26 GMT -5
This is one of the foulest, most cynical comments I've ever seen you write. These are people making charitable donations to a cause they feel is worthy. These are acts of kindness. Your criticism is foolish and unbecoming of you. Firstly, your assumption that these donations somehow detract from donors' other charitable contributions is utterly baseless. Should we condemn your "stupidity" for buying that new pair of shoes you wanted instead of donating it to a worthy cause? How about that fancy computer you're typing at? Are you reaffirming your stupidity for not buying a cheap used computer and spending the hundreds you'd save on a worthy cause? By your logic, every dollar of disposable income not spent on a veteran or homeless shelter is just another dollar not spent on a worthy cause. Secondly, who are you to judge how people give to charity? Should we condemn your poor sense to give to animal shelters when so many of our fellow human beings are out there starving to death? Are you stupid for giving to your local school's "buy uniforms for the team" funds drive because that same money could be spent on inoculating the poor in Laos? Let people give charitably. Appreciate charity. People are not stupid for wanting to help, and they're not stupid for wanting to help in ways different from how you want to help. Shame on anyone who "liked" your comment as well. Acts of kindness? Bigoted assholes- calling it charity is quite offensive.
And BTW I would 100% feed a starving animal over a starving baby. Animals don't have the capacity to be evil- they rely on instinct. Humans on the other hand are capable of the worst evil possible. Animals are pretty much more moral then humans.
myself, I have to go with the starving baby. But then I am the unfeeling conservative Republican, but that's just me.
I will leave it to someone else as whether your response is "stupid", but I know what my perception is.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 6, 2015 19:53:40 GMT -5
www.tmz.com/2015/04/01/memories-pizza-closes-indiana-deny-service-gay-wedding/
Oh the demand for wedding pizzas
Small town, nobody asked for their opinion on anything, they called in to a radio station to make a statement, and apparently in one day they went from a wildly successful business in a small town of maybe 2000 people to bankruptcy in a day thanks to the law
50K worth of go fund me.
I love it!
To be honest, I would not donate to the go fund site in this case, because the people who sue will win the big bucks from them, negating the reason behind my donation (if I had made one) VB-are your speaking of the pizza place in Indiana? If yes, and as far as I know, there is no plaintiff suing the pizza place. The money would be theirs free and clear. Out west, it is the Washington florist who could possibly be sued for punitive damages as the state found her in violation of their non-discrimination law. She has 'made' through GoFundMe about 80k. She may need the money if the state allows the couple discriminated against to sue her. That is a possibility.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2015 20:59:33 GMT -5
i think that stupid, as it is generally used, is a BLANKET statement about a person. it is a way of dismissing them- as if they had nothing important to offer. not to be nice to you or anything, but i think you have a lot to offer, bills. Of course I have a lot to offer on this forum. My Logical–mathematical intelligence is a nice high number when measured on standard IQ tests. Just don't expect much from me on the climate change or dating (interpersonal intelligence) threads. i was being more general than that but sure....on this forum.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2015 21:01:19 GMT -5
www.tmz.com/2015/04/01/memories-pizza-closes-indiana-deny-service-gay-wedding/
Oh the demand for wedding pizzas
Small town, nobody asked for their opinion on anything, they called in to a radio station to make a statement, and apparently in one day they went from a wildly successful business in a small town of maybe 2000 people to bankruptcy in a day thanks to the law
50K worth of go fund me.
I love it!
To be honest, I would not donate to the go fund site in this case, because the people who sue will win the big bucks from them, negating the reason behind my donation (if I had made one) do you think a few moves ahead when you play chess?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2015 21:02:06 GMT -5
Acts of kindness? Bigoted assholes- calling it charity is quite offensive.
And BTW I would 100% feed a starving animal over a starving baby. Animals don't have the capacity to be evil- they rely on instinct. Humans on the other hand are capable of the worst evil possible. Animals are pretty much more moral then humans.
myself, I have to go with the starving baby. But then I am the unfeeling conservative Republican, but that's just me.
I will leave it to someone else as whether your response is "stupid", but I know what my perception is.
i'm going with the baby, too, and i am more liberal than Jefferson.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 6, 2015 21:56:45 GMT -5
I'd feed the baby to the animal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 22:56:45 GMT -5
I'd feed the baby to the animal. Problem solved! No more hungry baby OR hungry animal! ETA: for the record, that was a joke, since some people translate me worse than Google Translate translates Klingon to English (hint: it doesn't)
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 7, 2015 1:57:11 GMT -5
I added that for Virgil to support my (general) misanthrope cred. Was actually something Carlin said a long time ago:
I respect animals. I have more sympathy for an injured or dead animal than I do for an injured or dead human being, because human beings participate and cooperate in their own undoing. Animals are completely innocent. There are no innocent human beings.
Here is an anecdote from the writer Patricia Highsmith: "Not so long ago I said to a friend of mine: 'if I saw a kitten and a little human baby sitting on the curb starving I would feed the kitten first if nobody was looking.' My friend said: 'I would feed the kitten first if somebody was looking.'"
BTW I doubt the thought of feeding starving babies entered the minds of the folks on the hill rolling back SNAP and food stamps while they kept the cash flowing to farmers.....who are going to feed a lot of animals with it. So I guess congress agrees with me and Carlin
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 7:47:24 GMT -5
Personally I suspect that when we answer the question, we're mentally picturing ourselves as the baby. That's what we're basing our judgment on--the only human being whose thoughts and feelings we know intimately.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 7, 2015 10:28:59 GMT -5
Personally I suspect that when we answer the question, we're mentally picturing ourselves as the baby. That's what we're basing our judgment on--the only human being whose thoughts and feelings we know intimately. this is a picture perfect definition of bias, right? not that i have a problem with it. i don't.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 15:19:59 GMT -5
Personally I suspect that when we answer the question, we're mentally picturing ourselves as the baby. That's what we're basing our judgment on--the only human being whose thoughts and feelings we know intimately. this is a picture perfect definition of bias, right? not that i have a problem with it. i don't. Bias is simply prejudice with the connotation of being distorted "away" from the truth. It applies to this situation, but I wouldn't use this as an exemplar. I'm remarking on the fact that our views on the inherent goodness and evil in other human beings is known to be influenced by our own standards of conduct. For example, terrible drivers are often the most critical of others' driving abilities. Tax cheats are more likely to suspect others of cheating on their taxes. Bigots are more likely to cry "bigotry". Misanthropes are more likely to be unkind, uncaring, and unhelpful than individuals with faith in human goodness. This is a tendency, not a law. There are certainly many exceptions. Nor is the old adage "We hate about others what we hate about ourselves." universally true. I can't help but suspect that a pronouncement of valuing animals more than human beings (which has profound implications if true) is tantamount to the assessment: "If I was stuck on one set of train tracks and a dog was stuck on another, knowing who I am and what I've done, the wiser man would save the dog instead of me."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 16:52:20 GMT -5
So you wouldn't feed a starving baby because "no human is innocent," but you're upset about somebody in our government allegedly reducing food stamps? It's hard to argue with that logic :S ! You're not being fair. We're talking about an evil baby here. He's white, comes from a stable middle-class family, doesn't care about global warming, never watches CNN, and has more than a 50% chance of turning out Republican.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 17:17:21 GMT -5
Personally I suspect that when we answer the question, we're mentally picturing ourselves as the baby. That's what we're basing our judgment on--the only human being whose thoughts and feelings we know intimately. no.
if you've raised babies, you'll know and see hurt, hunger and fear in them at various times
I'm not getting your point. I'm saying that a person judging the baby's fitness to live relative to an animal's is very likely judging him/herself projected onto the baby rather than the baby itself. The argument really has nothing to do with babies' ability to experience emotions, although I certainly agree with you that they do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 7, 2015 17:39:11 GMT -5
So you wouldn't feed a starving baby because "no human is innocent," but you're upset about somebody in our government allegedly reducing food stamps? It's hard to argue with that logic :S ! You're not being fair. We're talking about an evil baby here. He's white, comes from a stable middle-class family, doesn't care about global warming, never watches CNN, and has more than a 50% chance of turning out Republican. babies are about as evil as panda bears, imo.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 17:44:22 GMT -5
You're not being fair. We're talking about an evil baby here. He's white, comes from a stable middle-class family, doesn't care about global warming, never watches CNN, and has more than a 50% chance of turning out Republican. babies are about as evil as panda bears, imo. Sure. But one of them might turn out to be the next Rush Limbaugh. EVT sez: not on my watch! If you pick the dog, the worst that can happen is... like... that St. Bernard in "Beethoven".
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 7, 2015 17:57:34 GMT -5
babies are about as evil as panda bears, imo. Sure. But one of them might turn out to be the next Rush Limbaugh. EVT sez: not on my watch! If you pick the dog, the worst that can happen is... like... that St. Bernard in "Beethoven". like i have said before, i am not here to defend other posters, Virgil.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 18:36:59 GMT -5
Sure. But one of them might turn out to be the next Rush Limbaugh. EVT sez: not on my watch! If you pick the dog, the worst that can happen is... like... that St. Bernard in "Beethoven". like i have said before, i am not here to defend other posters, Virgil. Except for the occasional indulgence.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 7, 2015 19:13:21 GMT -5
like i have said before, i am not here to defend other posters, Virgil. Except for the occasional indulgence. i wasnn't rushing to her aid. i was being opportunistic. mmhmm is the last person on earth who needs my support. she can handle herself just fine.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 7, 2015 20:01:30 GMT -5
Virgil should have my back on this- it was his statement on judging charity giving that started it.
If I have but one slice of pizza to give the animal gets it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 20:30:58 GMT -5
Virgil should have my back on this- it was his statement on judging charity giving that started it.
If I have but one slice of pizza to give the animal gets it. And that's fine. It just says something about you, is all. I should point out that it's not a great comparison. There's a slew of reasons people donate to animal causes rather than humanitarian causes that have nothing to do with valuing animals' lives over the lives of human beings.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 7, 2015 22:38:30 GMT -5
Virgil should have my back on this- it was his statement on judging charity giving that started it.
If I have but one slice of pizza to give the animal gets it. And that's fine. It just says something about you, is all. I should point out that it's not a great comparison. There's a slew of reasons people donate to animal causes rather than humanitarian causes that have nothing to do with valuing animals' lives over the lives of human beings. And calling giving almost a million dollars to some po-dunk pizzeria that has an idiot (or smart) owner charity says a lot about you.
It's my bigger point made with you in mind- in real life of course I feed the baby or at the least split the food.
But in real life- the politicians you support don't give a shit about starving babies, mothers, fathers, or families. They cannot stand abortion (because that allows women to control their own vaginas)- but the minute some mother working for minimum wage tries to feed one of them via public assistance you come out with the Ronnie Raygun myths about the welfare queens and their steak and lobster. In fact one of these bullshit states passed a law- I am thinking Kansas- that went to the trouble to make sure people on TANF weren't buying a long list of shit poor people do not spend money on. And BTW the GOP nut that wrote the bill is the most obvious gay person in the state.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 7, 2015 22:50:56 GMT -5
And thanks to Larry Wilmore- GUNS were not on the list of banned items for TANF
The banned purchases:
In Kansas, here's a list of what would be off limits:
Alcoholic beverages, Casinos, Gaming establishments, Jewelry stores, Tattoo parlors, Massage parlors, Body piercing parlors, Spas, Nail salons, Lingerie shops, Tobacco paraphernalia stores, Vapor cigarette stores, Psychic or fortune telling businesses , Bail bond companies, Video arcades, Movie theaters, Swimming pools, Cruise ships, Theme parks, Dog or horse racing facilities, Parimutuel facilities (off-track betting), Cigarettes and tobacco products, Lottery tickets, Concert tickets, Tickets for professional or collegiate sporting events, Tickets for other entertainment events intended for the general public, Sexually-oriented businesses, Strip clubs, Any business or retail establishment where minors under age 18 are not permitted.
Guns are OK
Like there is a rash of needy families wasting money on all this bullshit- just another shit taken on the poor. You own this Republicans.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Apr 7, 2015 23:11:50 GMT -5
And that's fine. It just says something about you, is all. I should point out that it's not a great comparison. There's a slew of reasons people donate to animal causes rather than humanitarian causes that have nothing to do with valuing animals' lives over the lives of human beings. And calling giving almost a million dollars to some po-dunk pizzeria that has an idiot (or smart) owner charity says a lot about you.
It's my bigger point made with you in mind- in real life of course I feed the baby or at the least split the food.
But in real life- the politicians you support don't give a shit about starving babies, mothers, fathers, or families. They cannot stand abortion (because that allows women to control their own vaginas)- but the minute some mother working for minimum wage tries to feed one of them via public assistance you come out with the Ronnie Raygun myths about the welfare queens and their steak and lobster. In fact one of these bullshit states passed a law- I am thinking Kansas- that went to the trouble to make sure people on TANF weren't buying a long list of shit poor people do not spend money on. And BTW the GOP nut that wrote the bill is the most obvious gay person in the state.
Looks like you've got it all nailed down, sir. Grow your beard out, soak your clothes in gin, and stake out a busy street corner somewhere you can lay down a hat and sleeping bag. Repeat your above missive over and over again, yelling as loud as you can, and people will toss money into the hat. Try to slur your words a bit too. "Tarnfund' Ronnie Raygun... passin' bullshit laws... hates the poor. GOP nuts are... awl GAY! AWL GAY, them bullshetters! They hates wimmiz, I tells ya! Ain't got no respec' fer starvin' babies."
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Post by Opti on Apr 8, 2015 12:48:57 GMT -5
And thanks to Larry Wilmore- GUNS were not on the list of banned items for TANF
The banned purchases:
In Kansas, here's a list of what would be off limits:
Alcoholic beverages, Casinos, Gaming establishments, Jewelry stores, Tattoo parlors, Massage parlors, Body piercing parlors, Spas, Nail salons, Lingerie shops, Tobacco paraphernalia stores, Vapor cigarette stores, Psychic or fortune telling businesses , Bail bond companies, Video arcades, Movie theaters, Swimming pools, Cruise ships, Theme parks, Dog or horse racing facilities, Parimutuel facilities (off-track betting), Cigarettes and tobacco products, Lottery tickets, Concert tickets, Tickets for professional or collegiate sporting events, Tickets for other entertainment events intended for the general public, Sexually-oriented businesses, Strip clubs, Any business or retail establishment where minors under age 18 are not permitted.
Guns are OK
Like there is a rash of needy families wasting money on all this bullshit- just another shit taken on the poor. You own this Republicans.
I read that last night. The biggest impact is likely tobacco and cigarettes. While I'm not a fan of either, I don't think its wise to try to force withdrawal on people already enduring hard times. I would think enforcing all this crap is going to cost Kansas more than it might save or redirect into spending they feel is good.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Apr 8, 2015 13:37:56 GMT -5
This really does reaffirm the stupidity of so many people here in the US. With so many worthy causes they could give money to, like animal causes and veterans organizations and homeless shelters, this is what they are giving money to? Pathetic and sad! This is one of the foulest, most cynical comments I've ever seen you write. These are people making charitable donations to a cause they feel is worthy. These are acts of kindness. Your criticism is foolish and unbecoming of you. Firstly, your assumption that these donations somehow detract from donors' other charitable contributions is utterly baseless. Should we condemn your "stupidity" for buying that new pair of shoes you wanted instead of donating it to a worthy cause? How about that fancy computer you're typing at? Are you reaffirming your stupidity for not buying a cheap used computer and spending the hundreds you'd save on a worthy cause? By your logic, every dollar of disposable income not spent on a veteran or homeless shelter is just another dollar not spent on a worthy cause. Secondly, who are you to judge how people give to charity? Should we condemn your poor sense to give to animal shelters when so many of our fellow human beings are out there starving to death? Are you stupid for giving to your local school's "buy uniforms for the team" funds drive because that same money could be spent on inoculating the poor in Laos? Let people give charitably. Appreciate charity. People are not stupid for wanting to help, and they're not stupid for wanting to help in ways different from how you want to help. Shame on anyone who "liked" your comment as well. First of all Virgil I could give a rat's ass whether or not you agree with my comment about this. I had an opinion about it and wanted to express it which I have the perfect right to do. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word stupidity but it was the first one that came to mind since idiots was already used in the title of the thread. IMHO giving money to this pizzeria had nothing to do with charity and using the word charity to describe it seems inappropriate. And using the words foul, cynical, foolish and unbecoming isn't being judgmental towards me? Okay then.
Secondly, nowhere in my post did I make the assumption that these people don't give money to other charitable causes, I simply felt there were other worthy causes out there and those were the first three that came to mind. And how dare you assume to know what I spend my money on, I rarely buy clothes or shoes and both my computers are over 10 years old, not that it is any of your business.
Lastly, I find it unbecoming and judgmental of you to call out other posters and criticize them for liking my post. Shame on you!
I am done with this. No need to respond.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2015 13:47:16 GMT -5
I'm not the least bit surprised. From the Sodomite Suppression Act which advocates shooting gays, to discrimination in business to the new focus on teaching abstinence-only and creationism in schools, to the resurgence of fundamentalism...I have only one thing to say.
USA! USA! Plowing full speed ahead into the 18th century!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2015 14:20:35 GMT -5
I'm not the least bit surprised. From the Sodomite Suppression Act which advocates shooting gays, to discrimination in business to the new focus on teaching abstinence-only and creationism in schools, to the resurgence of fundamentalism...I have only one thing to say.
USA! USA! Plowing full speed ahead into the 18th century!!
we are heading down the twisty path that leads to pre-enlightenment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 17:48:53 GMT -5
And thanks to Larry Wilmore- GUNS were not on the list of banned items for TANF
The banned purchases:
In Kansas, here's a list of what would be off limits:
Alcoholic beverages, Casinos, Gaming establishments, Jewelry stores, Tattoo parlors, Massage parlors, Body piercing parlors, Spas, Nail salons, Lingerie shops, Tobacco paraphernalia stores, Vapor cigarette stores, Psychic or fortune telling businesses , Bail bond companies, Video arcades, Movie theaters, Swimming pools, Cruise ships, Theme parks, Dog or horse racing facilities, Parimutuel facilities (off-track betting), Cigarettes and tobacco products, Lottery tickets, Concert tickets, Tickets for professional or collegiate sporting events, Tickets for other entertainment events intended for the general public, Sexually-oriented businesses, Strip clubs, Any business or retail establishment where minors under age 18 are not permitted.
Guns are OK
Like there is a rash of needy families wasting money on all this bullshit- just another shit taken on the poor. You own this Republicans.
Wait. You mean poor people that need assistance can't buy underwear? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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