Afghan woman lynched over false accusation on Koran burning

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news.yahoo.com/afghan-woman-lynched-over-koran-burning-innocent-151834324.html

An Afghan woman who was beaten to death and set on fire by a mob for allegedly burning a copy of the Koran was "innocent", the interior minister said Monday.

A woman named Farkhunda was lynched on Thursday by an angry crowd in central Kabul for allegedly burning a copy of the Islamic holy book.

Footage of the attack on social media shows several uniformed police watching as the crowd beat 27-year-old Farkhunda to death before burning her body, then dumping it into the Kabul river.

In a statement on Sunday the interior ministry said 13 police officers had been suspended, including the police chief responsible for the area. More than a dozen other people were arrested over the incident.

I recommend not reading the comments to this article or others like it.

I posted it as most of the commenters don't understand that this wasn't about Islam.

This was someone or a bunch of people who wanted to get this girl beaten and possibly

killed. She didn't die because of Islam IMO. She died because she lives in a culture where

honor and certain things are considered worthy of death or beat downs. She was set up.

I wish the answer of why would come out, but even if it does I'd be surprised if it made

it passed the Afghan borders.

 Sorry some losers decided you needed to be dead to make themselves feel better.

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People are unpleasant at times.

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It reminds me of a few Bollywood movies.

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Tragic.

Mobs are terrifying. Truth no longer matters, once the mob gets itself worked up.

 

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She didn't die because of Islam IMO.

In the opinion of the people who killed her, she did.

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Mar 23, 2015 16:17:06 GMT -5 @hickle said:

She didn't die because of Islam IMO.

In the opinion of the people who killed her, she did.

I wish we could get the trial, if there is one, reported to us.

She has a diploma in Islamic Studies. I admit I have no proof, but

my guess is someone wanted her beaten or dead and they started

the rumor to accomplish this. One or more people knew the real reason

she was killed I believe.

It is correct I do not know. All I do know is it was a false accusation, so

to me the question is why and how many were in on it?

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One or more people knew the real reason she was killed I believe.

Why can't you take it at face value?  A bunch of people thought she burnt a copy of the Koran, so they killed her for that. 

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Another article on it, with perhaps possible reasons. Remember that girl that

was almost killed for just going to school? She may have been targeted for

being a teacher and not a conservative Muslim woman.

blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2015/03/23/woman-killed-by-mob-in-kabul-over-koran-was-innocent-investigator

Mobile phone footage circulating on social media shows police at the scene did not save the 27-year-old woman, Farkhunda, who was beaten with sticks and set on fire by a crowd of men in central Kabul in broad daylight on Thursday.

The killing was condemned by the Afghan president and other officials, but also drew praise from some quarters, including from a prominent cleric, who asserted the men had a right to defend their Muslim beliefs at all costs.

Farkhunda was a teacher of Islamic studies, according to her brother, who denied media reports that she had been mentally ill. He said this was a made-up defense by their father, who wanted to protect the family after police told them to leave the city for their own safety.

“My father was frightened and made the false statement to calm people down,” said Najibullah, who is changing his second name to Farkhunda in memory of his sister.

Under the strict Islamist rule of the Taliban, women could neither attend school nor were they allowed to work, and were forbidden from leaving the house without a male guardian.

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Even if she were to burn the Quran, there is no mention in the book about the punishment for such action.

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Mar 23, 2015 16:33:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

Another article on it, with perhaps possible reasons. Remember that girl that

was almost killed for just going to school? She may have been targeted for

being a teacher and not a conservative Muslim woman.

blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2015/03/23/woman-killed-by-mob-in-kabul-over-koran-was-innocent-investigator

Mobile phone footage circulating on social media shows police at the scene did not save the 27-year-old woman, Farkhunda, who was beaten with sticks and set on fire by a crowd of men in central Kabul in broad daylight on Thursday.

The killing was condemned by the Afghan president and other officials, but also drew praise from some quarters, including from a prominent cleric, who asserted the men had a right to defend their Muslim beliefs at all costs.

Farkhunda was a teacher of Islamic studies, according to her brother, who denied media reports that she had been mentally ill. He said this was a made-up defense by their father, who wanted to protect the family after police told them to leave the city for their own safety.

“My father was frightened and made the false statement to calm people down,” said Najibullah, who is changing his second name to Farkhunda in memory of his sister.

Under the strict Islamist rule of the Taliban, women could neither attend school nor were they allowed to work, and were forbidden from leaving the house without a male guardian.

so you are saying that she was killed by Muslims who thought she should die because she did not meet their strict rules?  Whether she was killed because she burnt a copy of the Koran or because she was a somewhat independent woman, she was murdered because of  their Islamic beliefs.  Is that not correct?

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Mar 23, 2015 16:39:02 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Mar 23, 2015 16:33:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

Another article on it, with perhaps possible reasons. Remember that girl that

was almost killed for just going to school? She may have been targeted for

being a teacher and not a conservative Muslim woman.

blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2015/03/23/woman-killed-by-mob-in-kabul-over-koran-was-innocent-investigator

Mobile phone footage circulating on social media shows police at the scene did not save the 27-year-old woman, Farkhunda, who was beaten with sticks and set on fire by a crowd of men in central Kabul in broad daylight on Thursday.

The killing was condemned by the Afghan president and other officials, but also drew praise from some quarters, including from a prominent cleric, who asserted the men had a right to defend their Muslim beliefs at all costs.

Farkhunda was a teacher of Islamic studies, according to her brother, who denied media reports that she had been mentally ill. He said this was a made-up defense by their father, who wanted to protect the family after police told them to leave the city for their own safety.

“My father was frightened and made the false statement to calm people down,” said Najibullah, who is changing his second name to Farkhunda in memory of his sister.

Under the strict Islamist rule of the Taliban, women could neither attend school nor were they allowed to work, and were forbidden from leaving the house without a male guardian.

so you are saying that she was killed by Muslims who thought she should die because she did not meet their strict rules?  I'd phrase it differently, but that's my current guess. Whether she was killed because she burnt a copy of the Koran or because she was a somewhat independent woman, she was murdered because of  their Islamic beliefs.  Is that not correct?

No. I think its dangerous to think Islamic beliefs and beliefs held by Muslims are the same thing.

If it was purely Islamic beliefs why are some countries OK with Muslim women working and

some not? To me that points to cultural issues not religious ones. We see it different, that's all.

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No. I think its dangerous to think Islamic beliefs and beliefs held by Muslims are the same thing. If it was purely Islamic beliefs why are some countries OK with Muslim women working and some not? To me that points to cultural issues not religious ones. We see it different, that's all.

Why do some Christians want to sprinkle in baptism and some want to dunk?  Both are Christian ideas and beliefs.  We do see it different.  With all due respect I think many people do not want to admit that some Muslims are just bad and they are bad because of the religious beliefs they hold.  Killing someone for apostasy is what many Muslims believe and it is a religious belief, not a cultural belief, at least to my understanding.  But like you say, we see it different.

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The same reasons for which women are killed in some of the Muslim countries today were reason for an execution in Christian countries in the past.
It seems that the Muslim world evolves at about the same speed and following the same pattern s Christianity. Yet some of the predominantly Muslim countries have caught up with the rest of the world. Some still refuse to but that is mostly because of very few that are desperate to hold on power through the use of religion.
I lived for a while surrounded with Algerians, Egyptians and Lebanese. All of them Muslims, practicing their faith and so on. Yet, all of them treated their wifes/girlfriends as equal. Most of them even ate pork and none of them cared.
But that was in a place where they knew that the world at large doesn't care!

To say that being Muslim equates with being violent/repressive and somewhat dismissive of ones rights is just untrue.
People, no mater how far they evolve will remain a crowd/pack animal when it comes to behavior. They will do exactly what the one standing next does just because of their desire to be part of something bigger or because of their fear of what others might think of them if they don't keep up.

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To say that being Muslim equates with being violent/repressive and somewhat dismissive of ones rights is just untrue.

To say that no Muslims are violent and repressive because of their religious beliefs is equally untrue. Is it not?

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There no religion or society where everything is peachy!
there will be violent/repressive shoots in all of them.
But generalizing that all Muslims are violent because of few is not right.

In the early 90s, in Bosnia, the so called Christians eradicated entire town because the inhabitants where Muslims. Ever heard of Srebenica?

So, to answer your question, there are violent Muslims but there are also violent Christians or Hindu or Bhudists or Atheists. 
Violence does not belong to one religion, race or sex. 
The most peaceful of man can become violent under certain circumstances.

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Mar 23, 2015 18:54:23 GMT -5 mroped said:

There no religion or society where everything is peachy!
there will be violent/repressive shoots in all of them.
But generalizing that all Muslims are violent because of few is not right.

In the early 90s, in Bosnia, the so called Christians eradicated entire town because the inhabitants where Muslims. Ever heard of Srebenica?

So, to answer your question, there are violent Muslims but there are also violent Christians or Hindu or Bhudists or Atheists. 
Violence does not belong to one religion, race or sex. 
The most peaceful of man can become violent under certain circumstances.

I agree that Christians can also do terrible things in the name of their religion. 

If my mother says the reason she gives to charity is because of her religious beliefs who are you to say "no, it is just because she is good"?  Is some guys kills and says it is because of his religious beliefs, who are you to say "no, it is just because he is bad'?  Why do you get to say someone is wrong about what they say they believe?

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Hickle, in this particular article, no one has stepped forward and said I was

part of the mob to kill this woman and I did it because of my religious beliefs.

Killing someone for apostasy is a belief some have and apparently it comes from the Hadith

not the Quran. Scholars disagree but it does appear more believe in the death sentence than

do not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

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After 35 years, he aplogized for his comments this past weekend. Primitive, religious thoughts and justice.

Bob Jones III apologizes for saying gays should be stoned

(CNN)Three and a half decades after calling for homosexuals to be stoned, former Bob Jones University President Bob Jones III has apologized.

"I take personal ownership of this inflammatory rhetoric,"Jones said. "This reckless statement was made in the heat of a political controversy 35 years ago."The weekend apology came days after the conservative Christian school in South Carolina received a petition asking for an apology for a statement Jones made to the Associated Press in 1980 at the White House.

"I'm sure this will be greatly misquoted," Jones said at the time. "But it would not be a bad idea to bring the swift justice today that was brought in Israel's day against murder and rape and homosexuality. I guarantee it would solve the problem post-haste if homosexuals were stoned, if murderers were immediately killed as the Bible commands."

When he made the comments, Jones was part of a group of fundamentalist ministers who went to the White House with 70,000 signatures on a petition opposed to extending provisions of the Civil Rights Act to homosexuals.

Rest of article below.

Bob Jones III apologizes for saying gays should be stoned

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Mar 24, 2015 6:36:43 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

You know, we would be a lot less worked up over all of this if we just left them all the F alone.

Who, other than an anthropologist, really cares what some goat herder in Afghanistan thinks?

Very good point.
BUT, the fact of the matter we now live an instant worldwide society, and we know they hate us with a passion.
We should closely monitor these types of situations and learn from them, but stay out of it publicly.

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Mar 24, 2015 22:45:35 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

It's an extremely complex issue that can't be boiled down to troops only within our borders. We have interests all over the world, and one of the tools of our diplomacy is the military. Sometimes diplomacy comes in the form of an ambassador sitting down for a chat over tea, and sometimes it falls out of the belly of a B-1.

In the case of Africa, there is "race" to assert more influence than China. In the Middle East, our leaders know that oil makes the world go 'round. In Europe we have Russia flexing their muscles again and attempting another post ww2 land grab.

Did anybody realise that our navy keeps shipping lanes open for American companies/consumers to trade with other nations all over the world? Should we just aband on that? When the Ebola scare hit, did anybody know that we had military medical professionals teaching the African medical professionals vaccination techniques and assisting them? Is that a line item in the budget everybody is ok with deleting? Fuck 'em, if they didn't want Ebola they wouldn't live in Africa, right?

I challenge anybody to name an organization that has brought more democracy, fed more refuges, assisted with more natural disasters, delivered more vaccines, protected more innocents than the U.S. military. But hey, we live in a democracy, if liberals want the troops brought home they'll vote accordingly and we'll bring the troops home. For better or worse.

We also destabilize governments and arm countless groups that then either lose the weapons or use them against our interests.  We build up one group just to have it turn against us and then build up another to have that one turn against us.  The middle east has been one big example of unintended consequences biting us in the ass over and over.

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Mar 24, 2015 22:56:38 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

Mar 23, 2015 16:39:00 GMT -5 mroped said:

Even if she were to burn the Quran, there is no mention in the book about the punishment for such action.

Wikipedia says otherwise...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy

As does the Saudi Arabian government...

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LS0S620150224?irpc=932

It all rests in the interpretation of the text. There is no line that would directly declare that 
"such action should be punished with death". 
Just as in the Bible, many things are considered a great offense against God therefore punishable. How and what the punishment should or would be it is up to those that intepret it.