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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 16:55:50 GMT -5
I don't have to use a car seat. I can choose to not put my child in a car if I don't want them in a car seat. Requiring mandatory medical intervention is not the same thing... And I dearly hope it never becomes so...
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2015 17:12:40 GMT -5
Oped, she by the way, will not be deciding HPV for her kids... They will make the decision. Wasn't your handle mroped? Or is that someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 17:13:37 GMT -5
That's my husband. I've been oped for over 8 years. He just came on a few months ago.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 14, 2015 17:30:13 GMT -5
That's my husband. I've been oped for over 8 years. He just came on a few months ago. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 19:54:39 GMT -5
The problem is saying someone is wishing cancer on their kids. Uh huh. I would do everything in my power to prevent my kids getting cancer. Oped can do whatever he wants with his kids. Oped is a she
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 19:58:28 GMT -5
ummmmm HPV is not a communicable disease in the same way measles or mumps is......you can't 'catch' HPV by being in close proximity to someone who has it. if 2 people are virgins and don't sleep with anyone else, they're good.
the number of vaccines kids are supposed to get has doubled from what I got as a kid - and I don't think that it's all good.
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Post by justme on Feb 14, 2015 20:33:32 GMT -5
Well assuming virgin means no skin to skin contact. Which, uh, it rarely actually means that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2015 14:24:18 GMT -5
:::sigh:::
Some parents say vaccines violate their anti-abortion beliefs.
Heather Maiorano, a mother of two boys who lives in southern Oregon, has serious doubts about certain vaccinations. She and her husband have immunized their sons against what they perceive to be the most threatening diseases but have opted out of several others they see as less risky or less likely to be contracted. Unlike parents who worry about discredited links to autism, Maiorano has no major medical fears about vaccines. Instead her concerns are moral.
america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/13/abortion-foes-have-moral-qualms-about-vaccines.html
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
I was surprised to see how many vaccines were on the schedule. I realize I had less than my kids did but, wow, the amounts now are staggering. I would still do the MMR stuff and lucky kids, the chicken pox one, but there's a lot more.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2015 14:30:47 GMT -5
Plus the DPT series.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 15, 2015 17:33:26 GMT -5
:::sigh:::
Some parents say vaccines violate their anti-abortion beliefs.
Heather Maiorano, a mother of two boys who lives in southern Oregon, has serious doubts about certain vaccinations. She and her husband have immunized their sons against what they perceive to be the most threatening diseases but have opted out of several others they see as less risky or less likely to be contracted. Unlike parents who worry about discredited links to autism, Maiorano has no major medical fears about vaccines. Instead her concerns are moral.
america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/13/abortion-foes-have-moral-qualms-about-vaccines.html Then I hope she's not planning on using any insulin or blood clotting factors. These were also drugs that were developed from a fetal cell line. The 3 major lines (WI-38, MRC-5 and HEK 293) have also been used in vaccines such as polio, rabies and chicken pox. They are also being used in research for Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and ALS. Hell, I remember using WI-38 in some of the pharmacological research we did on chemotherapeutic agents for childhood leukemias. If she is going to use this as a reason why not to vaccinate, she's going to have to eschew all the advancements that have been made in the last 50 years where these cell lines has been used in research, which will probably include a lot of antibiotics as well. However, I'm kind of guessing that if one of her kids get bitten by a rabid animal, she's going to change her tune fairly quickly.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 15, 2015 17:50:56 GMT -5
Even the anti-vaxxers decided that having themselves and their children shunned or ostracized, or worse-not in school, got on the bandwagon. Whenever I see a kid now, I almost panic for fear they've got some crud I could pass onto DH due to their parent being lax.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 16, 2015 5:22:05 GMT -5
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 16, 2015 8:54:38 GMT -5
I was surprised to see how many vaccines were on the schedule. I realize I had less than my kids did but, wow, the amounts now are staggering. I would still do the MMR stuff and lucky kids, the chicken pox one, but there's a lot more. It really isn't. This to me is kind of like someone who eats 8 mini meals of 200 calories a day. Then someone hears or sees that they eat 8 meals a day and says "you eat 8 times a day that is sooooooo much you will get fat!". In reality those 8 200 calorie meals are only 1600 calories a day and probably less than what the average person eats in the normal 3 meals a day. The vaccines today are much "lighter" than they were when we were kids. Technology is actually much better and because of things like herd immunity diseases like polio are considered gone in the US so there was no need to use the stronger vaccines. The risk/benefit wasn't worth it since the risk of getting polio was now so low. The down side is that the bodies immunity isn't as long lasting with the newer vaccines so they have to get more boosters. So not really more vaccine injected into people so much as more needles injecting smaller amounts of vaccine into people. www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/different-types-vaccines
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 16, 2015 10:47:40 GMT -5
Good. DD was telling me the same thing. She, of course, got more than I did because they've added stuff but other than the chicken pox vaccine which neither of us got, it's the same schedule for kids, she says.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 10:58:07 GMT -5
I was surprised to see how many vaccines were on the schedule. I realize I had less than my kids did but, wow, the amounts now are staggering. I would still do the MMR stuff and lucky kids, the chicken pox one, but there's a lot more. It really isn't. This to me is kind of like someone who eats 8 mini meals of 200 calories a day. Then someone hears or sees that they eat 8 meals a day and says "you eat 8 times a day that is sooooooo much you will get fat!". In reality those 8 200 calorie meals are only 1600 calories a day and probably less than what the average person eats in the normal 3 meals a day. The vaccines today are much "lighter" than they were when we were kids. Technology is actually much better and because of things like herd immunity diseases like polio are considered gone in the US so there was no need to use the stronger vaccines. The risk/benefit wasn't worth it since the risk of getting polio was now so low. The down side is that the bodies immunity isn't as long lasting with the newer vaccines so they have to get more boosters. So not really more vaccine injected into people so much as more needles injecting smaller amounts of vaccine into people. www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/different-types-vaccineswe didn't have rotovirus, HPV, meningitis, flu, chicken pox, PCV....in addition, they've now added all the boosters that we never had.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2015 11:08:14 GMT -5
I don't have to use a car seat. I can choose to not put my child in a car if I don't want them in a car seat. Requiring mandatory medical intervention is not the same thing... And I dearly hope it never becomes so... We have car seat laws - doesn't every state?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 11:14:55 GMT -5
But I don't have to put a kid in a car. I can opt put that way. Vaccinations... Medical treatment forced on your body with no opt out... Not the same thing.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2015 11:28:19 GMT -5
Ah. For so many people, myself included, our cars are such an integrated part of our lives, we forget they aren't mandatory - but you are correct, I could figure out a way to live without putting my young children in the car.
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Post by michelyn8 on Feb 16, 2015 13:24:21 GMT -5
ODS is 19. Without going into the gory details, ODS is still in high school at 19. So, ODS is still very much my dependent. I cook for him, I do his laundry, I give him spending money, he drives MY car using MY gas. Under the Affordable Care Act, I can carry him on my health insurance until he is 26. But, HIPPA says he is free to make his own health decisions as of the age of 18. So, thanks to the usual gubmint stupidity, I can pay for ODS's health care but I have no say and don't even get to know what kind of care he is getting if he doesn't want me to. How STUPID is this??!! He is about to have knee surgery. The surgery will take approximately an hour. He will be under general anesthesia. We have to complete a Health Care Proxy so that if any issues arise during surgery, I, the patient's freaking mother, can make decisions for him. Stupid. Just stupid. He couldn't even fill out the medical history paperwork on his own without my help (and I am going to go out on a limb and say that most kids his age can't). Oy. Why is so difficult to simply align complementary laws??!! Not even going to go through all the pages of discussion but guess what? It has always been this way and has nothing to do with ACA or HIPPA. By law a person is an adult at 18 and not only can your son make his own healthcare choices, HE, NOT YOU, is the one responsible for charges not covered by insurance. The bump for coverage to end at 26 versus the "old days" of ending when depending is no longer a student has nothing to do with anything either. At 18 (1986), I made my own decisions and was responsible for anything not covered by my father's insurance. That said, there is nothing wrong with assisting your son with choices, decisions, etc. I do it when my children ask and to help guide them because I know the ropes and they are just getting started but even though I still cover both my daughters on my insurance, their health decisions are their own and I don't get bent out of shape over what they choose not to share with me.
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