ACA vs. HIPPA

[The Captain]

Feb 11, 2015 20:58:17 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

I don't understand why parents who vaccinate their children  would not want to give them the Gardasil vaccination. It protects them, and the earlier the better. When my daughter was scheduled to get it, she didn't want it, so I asked the doctor to please speak to her about the benefits of the vaccination. She did listen to the doctor, but she still says that she only got it because the doctor and I made her feel like she had too. She felt like she did not need it since she was a virgin, but did not want to listen to me when I told her that the vaccination worked best if you had never had sex, thus why she should get it then. She was 15 or 16 when the doctor recommended it. I'm glad I asked the doctor to talk to her about it, and that the doctor did. Maybe the doctor would have without me asking, but I am glad that my daughter consented, even if some would say I bullied her.

As far as my DD is concerned it's part of her normal vaccine schedules.  And that is as it should be.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 10:42:30 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Feb 12, 2015 10:21:04 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

because they don't feel the benefits outweigh the risks.

What risks? Ovarian cancer is bigger risk than any side effects that I am aware of with the Gardasil shot. Neither of my children had any reactions, not even a fever or sore arm.

when the vaccine first came out - which is when my DD would have received it - there were numerous cases of severe side effects.

and you know what, everyone spouts the whole low level of side effects, risk of death is only 1 in a million or whatever....sounds great until your child is the 1.  I didn't feel the benefits outweigh the risks.  It only prevents 4 strains and there are many more it does nothing for. In addition, the risk of ovarian cancer is extremely low to begin with.

[The Captain]

Feb 12, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 10:42:30 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

What risks? Ovarian cancer is bigger risk than any side effects that I am aware of with the Gardasil shot. Neither of my children had any reactions, not even a fever or sore arm.

when the vaccine first came out - which is when my DD would have received it - there were numerous cases of severe side effects.

and you know what, everyone spouts the whole low level of side effects, risk of death is only 1 in a million or whatever....sounds great until your child is the 1.  I didn't feel the benefits outweigh the risks.  It only prevents 4 strains and there are many more it does nothing for. In addition, the risk of ovarian cancer is extremely low to begin with.

The current version actually provides protection against 14 different strains of viruses. 

www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm426485.htm

DD has had two doses so far.  Yea, her arm was a bit sore after the second dose, but that was it.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 12:11:19 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Feb 12, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

when the vaccine first came out - which is when my DD would have received it - there were numerous cases of severe side effects.

and you know what, everyone spouts the whole low level of side effects, risk of death is only 1 in a million or whatever....sounds great until your child is the 1.  I didn't feel the benefits outweigh the risks.  It only prevents 4 strains and there are many more it does nothing for. In addition, the risk of ovarian cancer is extremely low to begin with.

The current version actually provides protection against 14 different strains of viruses. 

www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm426485.htm

DD has had two doses so far.  Yea, her arm was a bit sore after the second dose, but that was it.

which of course has nothing to do with what was available at the time my DD was the age for it.

[Deleted]

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

[973beachbum]

Feb 12, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

I think the point is boys are the carriers who are spreading it around.  Kind of a cut out the middle man type of thing.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Boys carry HPV and are asymptomatic. So they pass it onto their girlfriends without even being aware.

I am not sure about today but the last time I inquired there wasn't a test for HPV for boys like there is for women.  So there's no asking your male partner if he got screened.  The only way he'll know if he has it is if he had sex with a woman who discloses to him she has it.

Plus HPV is being linked to anal cancer, penile cancer and certain types of mouth cancer.   One is exclusively a male cancer and the other two can affect both genders.

[weltschmerz]

Feb 12, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

I would have given it to my boy, had he been young enough. In a heartbeat.

HPV is not rare. At least half of sexually active adults have it.

[The Captain]

Feb 12, 2015 12:23:57 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 12:11:19 GMT -5 The Captain said:

The current version actually provides protection against 14 different strains of viruses. 

www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm426485.htm

DD has had two doses so far.  Yea, her arm was a bit sore after the second dose, but that was it.

which of course has nothing to do with what was available at the time my DD was the age for it.

I absolutely understand that, however if someone read you post they may think it only currently guards against a limited amount of exposure - that's why I said the current version....

[Tennesseer]

Speaking of the HPV vaccinations and the fear and concerns of some adults teens will engage in sexual activity if vaccinated, here is an initial study on that concern   A few snippets:

Incidence of Sexually Transmitted Infections After Human Papillomavirus Vaccination Among Adolescent Females

Importance
Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination rates among US females remain low, in part because of concerns that HPV vaccination may promote unsafe sexual activity by lowering perceived risks of acquiring a sexually transmitted infection (STI).

Objective
To study whether HPV vaccination of females is associated with increases in STI rates.

Design, Setting, and Participants
Using a large, longitudinal insurance database of females aged 12 to 18 years insured from January 1, 2005, through December 31, 2010, in the United States, we examined whether HPV vaccination was associated with an increase in incident STIs among females who were vaccinated compared with those who were not. We defined STIs as one or more medical claims for any of the following infections in a given quarter: chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, human immunodeficiency virus or AIDS, or syphilis. We used difference-in-difference analysis to compare changes in STI rates among HPV-vaccinated females before and after vaccination (index quarter) to changes among age-matched nonvaccinated females before and after the index quarter. We analyzed whether effects varied according to age and prior contraceptive medication use.

Conclusions and Relevance
Human papillomavirus vaccination was not associated with increases in STIs in a large cohort of females, suggesting that vaccination is unlikely to promote unsafe sexual activity.

Full article below (not long-most of it I copied above):

Incidence of Sexually Transmitted Infections After Human Papillomavirus Vaccination Among Adolescent Females

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 12:37:09 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Feb 12, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

I would have given it to my boy, had he been young enough. In a heartbeat.

HPV is not rare. At least half of sexually active adults have it.

just because it isn't rare doesn't mean it's dangerous in all cases

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

yes it does mean your an anti-vaxer.  anyone who doesn't want every single vaccine that is offered up is seen as a nut job.

[DagnyT]

Feb 12, 2015 13:22:02 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

They want boys to get it now too.  I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that one. 

yes it does mean your an anti-vaxer.  anyone who doesn't want every single vaccine that is offered up is seen as a nut job.

Someone is not a nut job because they choose not to have a vaccine. MPL, my son had it. It is given as 3 shots over about a six to nine month period. He is now protected and will not infect his partner(s) in the future. He is only 16 and has never had a date. Right now he is only interested in his music, video games, and yes, his Legos. However, one day this vaccine will protect him and his future honey or honeys. As to the one in a million chance, that he could have died from this vaccine, he stands a much higher chance dying in a car crash or going swimming, and he still does both. However, you are your boys' mother and can make the vaccination decision for them until they are old enough to make it themselves. Good luck with your decision.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 13:42:11 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Feb 12, 2015 13:22:02 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

yes it does mean your an anti-vaxer.  anyone who doesn't want every single vaccine that is offered up is seen as a nut job.

Someone is not a nut job because they choose not to have a vaccine. MPL, my son had it. It is given as 3 shots over about a six to nine month period. He is now protected and will not infect his partner(s) in the future. He is only 16 and has never had a date. Right now he is only interested in his music, video games, and yes, his Legos. However, one day this vaccine will protect him and his future honey or honeys. As to the one in a million chance, that he could have died from this vaccine, he stands a much higher chance dying in a car crash or going swimming, and he still does both. However, you are your boys' mother and can make the vaccination decision for them until they are old enough to make it themselves. Good luck with your decision.

have you read this and other threads?  the prevailing attitude on these boards is that anyone who doesn't give their child every available vaccination has a problem.

[Deleted]

You all know cervicsl and ovarian cancer are different things, right...

You all know the HPV vaccine is only 4 strains... It isn't omnipotent protection...

[weltschmerz]

Feb 12, 2015 14:21:35 GMT -5 oped said:

You all know cervicsl and ovarian cancer are different things, right...

You all know the HPV vaccine is only 4 strains... It isn't omnipotent protection...

Nobody ever said it was. It still beats getting cervical cancer. Or these.

Warning. You need a strong stomach.

www.google.ca/search?q=genital+warts&rlz=1T4ACAW_enCA440CA440&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=sQDdVN-YL8GeNv-ng9gF&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=511

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 14:21:35 GMT -5 oped said:

You all know cervicsl and ovarian cancer are different things, right...

You all know the HPV vaccine is only 4 strains... It isn't omnipotent protection...

According to the link posted above it protects against more than 4 strains now, and prevents 90% of cervical, vaginal, anal and.......a 4th kind of cancer but I can't recall now.  Penile?  Anyway, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 

What are the objections to this vaccine by posters here?  I'm curious as to why we seem to have several people who are pro-vaccination in general but not pro THIS vaccination?

ETA: the 4th kind is vulvar.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 14:43:06 GMT -5 imawino said:

Feb 12, 2015 14:21:35 GMT -5 oped said:

You all know cervicsl and ovarian cancer are different things, right...

You all know the HPV vaccine is only 4 strains... It isn't omnipotent protection...

According to the link posted above it protects against more than 4 strains now, and prevents 90% of cervical, vaginal, anal and.......a 4th kind of cancer but I can't recall now.  Penile?  Anyway, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 

What are the objections to this vaccine by posters here?  I'm curious as to why we seem to have several people who are pro-vaccination in general but not pro THIS vaccination?

ETA: the 4th kind is vulvar.

I'm not sure I would say I "object" to the vaccine.  I just don't know a whole lot about it and when first presented with it at an annual exam, I really didn't see the point of taking the risk of a new vaccine on my son to prevent cervical cancer.   I don't really want to be part of one of those medical class action suits that you see advertised on TV all the time.  "Are you a male that received the Gardisal vaccine between the years of 2008 and 2014 and now are suffering from hearing loss and incontinence?  If so call us!"   

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 15:09:59 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Feb 12, 2015 14:43:06 GMT -5 imawino said:

According to the link posted above it protects against more than 4 strains now, and prevents 90% of cervical, vaginal, anal and.......a 4th kind of cancer but I can't recall now.  Penile?  Anyway, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 

What are the objections to this vaccine by posters here?  I'm curious as to why we seem to have several people who are pro-vaccination in general but not pro THIS vaccination?

ETA: the 4th kind is vulvar.

I'm not sure I would say I "object" to the vaccine.  I just don't know a whole lot about it and when first presented with it at an annual exam, I really didn't see the point of taking the risk of a new vaccine on my son to prevent cervical cancer.   I don't really want to be part of one of those medical class action suits that you see advertised on TV all the time.  "Are you a male that received the Gardisal vaccine between the years of 2008 and 2014 and now are suffering from hearing loss and incontinence?  If so call us!"   

So the concern about this vaccine is mostly just that it is newer? 

[DagnyT]

Feb 12, 2015 13:49:16 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 13:42:11 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Someone is not a nut job because they choose not to have a vaccine. MPL, my son had it. It is given as 3 shots over about a six to nine month period. He is now protected and will not infect his partner(s) in the future. He is only 16 and has never had a date. Right now he is only interested in his music, video games, and yes, his Legos. However, one day this vaccine will protect him and his future honey or honeys. As to the one in a million chance, that he could have died from this vaccine, he stands a much higher chance dying in a car crash or going swimming, and he still does both. However, you are your boys' mother and can make the vaccination decision for them until they are old enough to make it themselves. Good luck with your decision.

have you read this and other threads?  the prevailing attitude on these boards is that anyone who doesn't give their child every available vaccination has a problem.

Yep. I have read lots of comments and threads about vaccines. I do not understand why someone would not vaccinate their child for most available vaccines, but I still do not think they are a nut job, even if others may.

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 15:20:46 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Feb 12, 2015 13:49:16 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

have you read this and other threads?  the prevailing attitude on these boards is that anyone who doesn't give their child every available vaccination has a problem.

Yep. I have read lots of comments and threads about vaccines. I do not understand why someone would not vaccinate their child for most available vaccines, but I still do not think they are a nut job, even if others may.

To be fair, some of them are nutjobs. 

[DagnyT]

Feb 12, 2015 15:27:07 GMT -5 imawino said:

Feb 12, 2015 15:20:46 GMT -5 DagnyT said:

Yep. I have read lots of comments and threads about vaccines. I do not understand why someone would not vaccinate their child for most available vaccines, but I still do not think they are a nut job, even if others may.

To be fair, some of them are nutjobs. 

In that case, there are nut jobs all around us.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 14:43:06 GMT -5 imawino said:

Feb 12, 2015 14:21:35 GMT -5 oped said:

You all know cervicsl and ovarian cancer are different things, right...

You all know the HPV vaccine is only 4 strains... It isn't omnipotent protection...

According to the link posted above it protects against more than 4 strains now, and prevents 90% of cervical, vaginal, anal and.......a 4th kind of cancer but I can't recall now.  Penile?  Anyway, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 

What are the objections to this vaccine by posters here?  I'm curious as to why we seem to have several people who are pro-vaccination in general but not pro THIS vaccination?

ETA: the 4th kind is vulvar.

and what is the likelihood of getting one of those cancers?

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 14:43:06 GMT -5 imawino said:

According to the link posted above it protects against more than 4 strains now, and prevents 90% of cervical, vaginal, anal and.......a 4th kind of cancer but I can't recall now.  Penile?  Anyway, that sounds like a pretty good deal. 

What are the objections to this vaccine by posters here?  I'm curious as to why we seem to have several people who are pro-vaccination in general but not pro THIS vaccination?

ETA: the 4th kind is vulvar.

and what is the likelihood of getting one of those cancers?

Do you have to have me answer that before you know what your objection to that vaccine is? I don't know, although I assume Google could tell me a fairly accurate number. I know the odds of getting them are higher without a vaccine, but that wasn't what I asked.

I find it interesting that people are like "yay, vaccine - wait, not THAT vaccine" is all. I would have assumed someone who had an objection to the vaccine knew what their objection to the vaccine was and didn't need me to tell them. If you don't know what your concerns are I can't help you, but you probably could have chosen to just not answer.

[Deleted]

I'm not worried about cervical. We have a handle on cervical. The others do make me consider it. I think my kids will probably choose to get it. We will see.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 15:41:58 GMT -5 imawino said:

Feb 12, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

and what is the likelihood of getting one of those cancers?

Do you have to have me answer that before you know what your objection to that vaccine is? I don't know, although I assume Google could tell me a fairly accurate number. I know the odds of getting them are higher without a vaccine, but that wasn't what I asked.

I find it interesting that people are like "yay, vaccine - wait, not THAT vaccine" is all. I would have assumed someone who had an objection to the vaccine knew what their objection to the vaccine was and didn't need me to tell them. If you don't know what your concerns are I can't help you, but you probably could have chosen to just not answer.

I posted why my DD didn't get the vaccine. 

it will be interesting to see if the rates of these cancers drop.

and I'm not 'yea vacccine'. 

[Deleted]

Why shouldn't medical treatment and prevention be made on a case by case basis? To me it's crazy to think just because you've done one at such time means you automatically say yes to all...

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 15:55:18 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

Feb 12, 2015 15:41:58 GMT -5 imawino said:

Do you have to have me answer that before you know what your objection to that vaccine is? I don't know, although I assume Google could tell me a fairly accurate number. I know the odds of getting them are higher without a vaccine, but that wasn't what I asked.

I find it interesting that people are like "yay, vaccine - wait, not THAT vaccine" is all. I would have assumed someone who had an objection to the vaccine knew what their objection to the vaccine was and didn't need me to tell them. If you don't know what your concerns are I can't help you, but you probably could have chosen to just not answer.

I posted why my DD didn't get the vaccine. 

it will be interesting to see if the rates of these cancers drop.

and I'm not 'yea vacccine'. 

You said the benefits did not outweigh the risks.  I guess I'm curious what you think the benefits and risks are then, because that's a statement without much content. 

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2015 16:03:06 GMT -5 imawino said:

Feb 12, 2015 15:55:18 GMT -5 @singlemominmd said:

I posted why my DD didn't get the vaccine. 

it will be interesting to see if the rates of these cancers drop.

and I'm not 'yea vacccine'. 

You said the benefits did not outweigh the risks.  I guess I'm curious what you think the benefits and risks are then, because that's a statement without much content. 

when my DD would have gotten the vaccine there were a number of cases of girls dying from it.  also, that vaccine only was for 4 strains (and of course there is no guarantee that it works).  so yes, the benefit of possibly preventing a strain of HPV that she might get in her lifetime was not worth the risk of potentially dying. 

she also didn't get the meningitis vaccine before she went to college.

[imawino]

Feb 12, 2015 16:00:10 GMT -5 oped said:

Why shouldn't medical treatment and prevention be made on a case by case basis? To me it's crazy to think just because you've done one at such time means you automatically say yes to all...

I didn't say it shouldn't. I said I was interested in why there was a seemingly higher rate of concern about this particular vaccine. End of story.  Maybe there are life threatening side effects I had somehow missed out on hearing since this vaccine was not around when I would have been the age to get it, and I don't have kids.  I made an assumption that people who chose not to get it (for themselves or dependents) had an actual reason for the choice that they might share. But there is apparently not a reason or people are oddly ashamed to share it. is the reason really "cervical cancer ain't so bad"?