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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:14:24 GMT -5
My entire life, I have had newspaper delivery. My parents always had it, and when I moved out, I set up to have the Boston Globe delivered to me (even when it was regularly stolen off my doorstep), the San Antonio Express News and the Lexington Herald leader. I have always put starts/stops on it and been credited for my vacation days.
TD gets 2 newspapers, the local one and the Seattle paper, so this has continued.....until recently. He went to put a vacation hold on the paper and was told that he was not going to be credited with the 2 weeks of paper that we will not be receiving. So he has stopped delivery of both and asked for the balance of his accounts. The paper stops this Sunday, and we're not going to get a paper anymore.
At a time where they are scrambling for readership, why the hell would you want to screw over your long time customers? We're going to be going cold turkey in this household, so this is going to be interesting.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 19, 2014 13:16:45 GMT -5
I only tried to get the newspaper once, when I was couponing. They could never figure out where my house was so I finally gave up and cancelled it. What were you using the papers for that you couldn't find online?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:05 GMT -5
Many newspapers that have gone to online content charge a subscription for it. And that subscription can be pricey. And it does not always include the advertising inserts (I know, I know....you can look them up separately). Locally, the online version of our paper just went through a redesign and it is completely useless and unreadable. Navigating through different sections is miserable and the ads make it hard t o discern what is actual content and what isn't. I'm with Mich; I like having the real newspaper, even if I just want it for the comics and the food section.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:29:46 GMT -5
I only tried to get the newspaper once, when I was couponing. They could never figure out where my house was so I finally gave up and cancelled it. What were you using the papers for that you couldn't find online? Not everyone is connected to a computer 24/7. I don't have a smart phone and until recently didn't have a tablet. My sorrow is that many times there are ads in the local paper that we will not be able to do - like the wine and food pairing we went to a couple months ago. It wasn't widely advertised, and we only saw the ad for it in the paper.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 19, 2014 13:37:05 GMT -5
I only tried to get the newspaper once, when I was couponing. They could never figure out where my house was so I finally gave up and cancelled it. What were you using the papers for that you couldn't find online? Not everyone is connected to a computer 24/7. I don't have a smart phone and until recently didn't have a tablet. My sorrow is that many times there are ads in the local paper that we will not be able to do - like the wine and food pairing we went to a couple months ago. It wasn't widely advertised, and we only saw the ad for it in the paper. I really was curious to see what I had been missing since I never got the actual paper
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:58:26 GMT -5
Not everyone is connected to a computer 24/7. I don't have a smart phone and until recently didn't have a tablet. My sorrow is that many times there are ads in the local paper that we will not be able to do - like the wine and food pairing we went to a couple months ago. It wasn't widely advertised, and we only saw the ad for it in the paper. I really was curious to see what I had been missing since I never got the actual paper Many of the events that we go to in town are ones that we see in the paper, and are not widely publicized. Interesting thing though......recently there was an article on Yahoo where a woman's 3 children were taken from the family. The article on Yahoo was horribly biased, about how dare CPS take these children from their parents. However, the article neglected to mention that (1) the couple, their 3 children and his father were living in a small, 1 BR apartment, (2) there were 21 calls for domestic violence by the father of the children in the last several months, (3) his father had mental health issues that were not being addressed or treated, (4) the twins were born a few months previously, had never been seen by a doctor (it was a home birth), and were in the 1% of their weight (even accounting for the fact that they were twins) and failing to thrive, and (5) the father had not gone through the court mandated anger management program that the state had set as terms for his release back into the home. The Yahoo article preferred to focus on the fact that the kids were taken away because it was a home birth. This is a HUGE goof on that writer's part, because this town is probably about as granola as you can get, and most do not bat an eye at home births. It was the other 5+ reasons (there were also a few others, like untreated medical conditions of the older child) that CPS stepped in.
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 14:19:51 GMT -5
I don't know, but perhaps the cost of doing holds and having possibly lots of people do them now may have prompted a policy change. Has TD done 2 or more holds this year already?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Dec 19, 2014 14:22:48 GMT -5
Many newspapers that have gone to online content charge a subscription for it. And that subscription can be pricey. And it does not always include the advertising inserts (I know, I know....you can look them up separately). Locally, the online version of our paper just went through a redesign and it is completely useless and unreadable. Navigating through different sections is miserable and the ads make it hard t o discern what is actual content and what isn't. I'm with Mich; I like having the real newspaper, even if I just want it for the comics and the food section. Your paper and mine must have the same web designer. Ours also cut down to 3 days a week instead of daily. I never got it but Mom did.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 19, 2014 14:26:57 GMT -5
One guy is basically running all of the newspapers left in the country. This is him and he just can't keep up.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 19, 2014 14:29:12 GMT -5
One guy is basically running all of the newspapers left in the country. This is him and he just can't keep up. It's OK, Arch. Your Uncle Dub still looks good for his age.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Dec 19, 2014 14:31:23 GMT -5
I had read the story about the twins, Mich. Interesting to see the other side of it. I always wonder what the other side is since I doubt most of those "medical kidnapping" stories are unbiased. Maybe I am too naive, but I honestly believe most doctors won't take someone's kids away as revenge for seeking a 2nd opinion or whatever.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 14:31:31 GMT -5
I don't know, but perhaps the cost of doing holds and having possibly lots of people do them now may have prompted a policy change. Has TD done 2 or more holds this year already?
Nope, last hold we put on the paper was a year ago Nov.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 14:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 14:41:25 GMT -5
I don't know, but perhaps the cost of doing holds and having possibly lots of people do them now may have prompted a policy change. Has TD done 2 or more holds this year already?
Nope, last hold we put on the paper was a year ago Nov. Seems reasonable. Maybe you can call and get someone different on the phone and ask what the hold policy is.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 14:47:05 GMT -5
Nope, last hold we put on the paper was a year ago Nov. Seems reasonable. Maybe you can call and get someone different on the phone and ask what the hold policy is.
Apparently the policy has been changed, Optimist. Both papers have changed their hold policy. They'll still hold the paper, but not give a credit for the weeks that it is not being delivered. THAT is the sticking point.
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Post by Opti on Dec 19, 2014 15:01:13 GMT -5
Seems reasonable. Maybe you can call and get someone different on the phone and ask what the hold policy is.
Apparently the policy has been changed, Optimist. Both papers have changed their hold policy. They'll still hold the paper, but not give a credit for the weeks that it is not being delivered. THAT is the sticking point. Got it.
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Post by bean29 on Dec 19, 2014 15:36:04 GMT -5
I subscribe to the local paper. Both DH and I prefer to read the actual newspaper.
I am a news junkie so I read the online version also and I read USA today on line almost daily.
Our IT person at work told me that JSONLINE (online version of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) has so many ads on it that it clogs up your computer and slows down it's performance.
Maybe they are reasoning that if you are away on vacation you are still using a laptop/phone/computer to check on the news back home.
I did let my subsription lapse a few months ago so I could get a better deal on renwal. DH or I went to buy the Sunday Paper every week until I re-subscribed. I did get a discount on renewal and $25 in grocery gift cards.
I wish you and TD luck with sticking to your guns. I predict TD will restart the paper in short order.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 15:40:59 GMT -5
I wish you and TD luck with sticking to your guns. I predict TD will restart the paper in short order.
If TD doesn't, I will! At least the local paper.
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Post by saveinla on Dec 19, 2014 15:55:59 GMT -5
Seems reasonable. Maybe you can call and get someone different on the phone and ask what the hold policy is.
Apparently the policy has been changed, Optimist. Both papers have changed their hold policy. They'll still hold the paper, but not give a credit for the weeks that it is not being delivered. THAT is the sticking point. Here, the Times will allow you to donate the paper to a school close by instead of giving you credit - I usually do that when I go on vacation.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Dec 19, 2014 16:36:59 GMT -5
Journalism really sucks these days. There's very little 'news' in anything any more.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 16:38:19 GMT -5
Journalism really sucks these days. There's very little 'news' in anything any more. Yeah, I know. Most things I read today, I read with a huge amount of skepticism and normally walk away with more questions than what the paper's answered.
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Post by milee on Dec 19, 2014 16:39:54 GMT -5
No idea why because I'm comfy on the computer and use it for everything... except reading the paper. I've tried it both ways and either the organization throws me or I scan information differently in print vs. on screen, because I miss large portions of content if I only do the online version. So it makes me feel like an old geezer, but I get a physical copy of both the WSJ and the local paper. But I read a lot of the NY Times and Washington Post online.
Also, like someone else mentioned, our local paper has a lot of community events, happenings and similar things that appear in the print edition that don't appear online, so that's nice to see as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 17:18:52 GMT -5
I did not renew our subscription when they cut it back to 3X a week and increased the price. I pay yearly, by the way. It is fractionally cheaper, but I also just don't like getting a monthly bill.
I thought I would be ok just buying the Sunday paper at Walmart when I shop on Saturday. Of course, it didn't cover that weekend's college football games, which are a big deal in Alabama. I also missed the Wednesday's food section because I do a lot of price matching.
The first time there was another incentive to subscribe, I did.
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Post by wyouser on Dec 19, 2014 17:35:47 GMT -5
One guy is basically running all of the newspapers left in the country. This is him and he just can't keep up. Hey, you stole our delivery boy!!! He's been missing for months!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:26:04 GMT -5
I was a former print journalist. Tell me about it. :-(
I had always wanted to be an English professor but my parents (who were paying for my education) said 5 years for a Doctorate?! No way!
So I compromised and got a Masters in Print Journalism instead.
I had a great job, but I was bored to death. Then 23 years later, my company moved to the other side of Paris, and I suddenly had a hellish 1.75h commute each way (ie 3.5h per day). When the co announced that despite the move they were doing badly and needed people to leave, I couldn't sign up fast enough for the (very generous) payout they were offering to people who were "hindered" by their move and new location. They had VERY specific criteria but I knew I was eligible and even though it took me several months to document it, in the end, I got it.
I took a year off, spent it as a SAHM, cooked, shopped at a bunch of store to cut costs, took my kids to school and picked them up, and LOVED it. But simultaneously I also worked very hard to reincarnate myself as an English professor.
I am SO grateful that it all worked out for me!!!
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Post by Formerly SK on Dec 19, 2014 19:29:57 GMT -5
No idea why because I'm comfy on the computer and use it for everything... except reading the paper. I've tried it both ways and either the organization throws me or I scan information differently in print vs. on screen, because I miss large portions of content if I only do the online version. So it makes me feel like an old geezer, but I get a physical copy of both the WSJ and the local paper. But I read a lot of the NY Times and Washington Post online.
Also, like someone else mentioned, our local paper has a lot of community events, happenings and similar things that appear in the print edition that don't appear online, so that's nice to see as well. Weird. The online version of my local paper is basically a pdf of the printed one. Same number of pages, too. Course, I pay for my access so maybe that's the criteria.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:42:30 GMT -5
From the professional POV, more and more newspapers / magazines are installing paywalls. They won't be able to survive without them.
But since so much of the news today is wire news (ie AP or Reuters), a lot of them will go under anyway. It's very, very sad to me.
There is no money in Print Journalism anymore. The money has ALWAYS comes from ads rather than from subscriptions. That's nothing new.
But what IS new is, if you had a business, where would YOU choose to publicize it? Today, VERY few businesses would choose to publicize it in their local paper.
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Post by milee on Dec 19, 2014 20:08:18 GMT -5
No idea why because I'm comfy on the computer and use it for everything... except reading the paper. I've tried it both ways and either the organization throws me or I scan information differently in print vs. on screen, because I miss large portions of content if I only do the online version. So it makes me feel like an old geezer, but I get a physical copy of both the WSJ and the local paper. But I read a lot of the NY Times and Washington Post online.
Also, like someone else mentioned, our local paper has a lot of community events, happenings and similar things that appear in the print edition that don't appear online, so that's nice to see as well. Weird. The online version of my local paper is basically a pdf of the printed one. Same number of pages, too. Course, I pay for my access so maybe that's the criteria. Even though that sounds very inefficient and old school, I think I'd prefer a pdf to the local paper's website. Instead of a pdf, it's a home page with a few headlines on it - much of the space is taken up by pictures and then tabs to click on for different subgroups of article types. But even if you have a paper copy of that day's paper and just want to find a copy of the exact article online to forward it by email or link to a friend, it's very tough to find the article online. The search function isn't great plus the subgroup pages don't have all the articles. Very frustrating.
You can buy an online subscription to the local paper, but if you pay for the physical paper copy you also get the online version free.
I'm a big supporter of technology and hate the waste of paper and gas used to deliver me a paper copy, so if there were a good online version I'd sign up. I went to a Kindle for books years ago and like it. But for some reason the newspaper online just doesn't work for me.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Dec 19, 2014 20:27:34 GMT -5
Our local paper doesn't have the full articles in their online content which I don't understand. You have to pay for the online content, so why don't they publish entire articles? I also don't like how they've set up their search function. I like to look for certain things and it very difficult to find some things what with looking through tabs and then subgroups. With an actual paper I can turn to that section of the paper to find what I want or read the entire paper from front to back if I want to.
I agree, that newspapers are dying and will be gone in the not too distant future. More and more companies are not advertising anymore and that's where the revenue comes from in large part.
I've always had a newspaper delivered, but so many of them refuse to put a stop and credit you for the time you're away that it's just not worth it anymore.
I guess eventually we'll all get our news from either online content or TV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 20:30:53 GMT -5
Weird. The online version of my local paper is basically a pdf of the printed one. Same number of pages, too. Course, I pay for my access so maybe that's the criteria. Even though that sounds very inefficient and old school, I think I'd prefer a pdf to the local paper's website. Instead of a pdf, it's a home page with a few headlines on it - much of the space is taken up by pictures and then tabs to click on for different subgroups of article types. But even if you have a paper copy of that day's paper and just want to find a copy of the exact article online to forward it by email or link to a friend, it's very tough to find the article online. The search function isn't great plus the subgroup pages don't have all the articles. Very frustrating.
You can buy an online subscription to the local paper, but if you pay for the physical paper copy you also get the online version free.
I'm a big supporter of technology and hate the waste of paper and gas used to deliver me a paper copy, so if there were a good online version I'd sign up. I went to a Kindle for books years ago and like it. But for some reason the newspaper online just doesn't work for me.
The online version doesn't work for me because (a) there are no physical coupons to redeem, and (b) there are no physical ads to price match. My grocery stores demand both.
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