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Post by Shooby on Jul 4, 2014 21:40:12 GMT -5
There are a 100 million people living on the streets,
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Post by Opti on Jul 4, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
The number of American homes with a wired cable subscription fell 4.1% year-over-year in Q1 2012, from 62.7 million to 59.8 million, per results [download page] from Nielsen’s latest cross-platform report. By contrast, the number of telephone company-provided (telco) TV households rose by 16.1%, while satellite and broadcast-only households remained relatively flat. Overall, about 9 in 10 US TV households paid for a subscription, though the actual number of paying households was down 1.3% year-over-year.
1 in 3 Hispanic Households Opts For Satellite TV
Wired cable remained the top TV distribution choice in Q1 2012 for white (53%), African-American (54%), Hispanic (45%), and Asian (51%) households, though some differences emerged in preferences for other distribution sources. 15% of Asian households opted for telco, a far greater proportion than any of the other races/ethnicities (who ranged from 7-8%).
Hispanic households were the most likely to be broadcast-only (16%) and pay for satellite (34%).
www.marketingcharts.com/wp/television/number-of-us-pay-tv-households-down-1-3-y-o-y-in-q1-23361/
Tv ownership is around 96-97%. I know several people like myself with an old TV who use it primarily for DVD-watching. I don't even get broadcast channels as my antenna didn't make one of the moves.
BTW, things that make you go Hmmmm in relation to the Dish TV reference. I think Hispanic employment remains higher than Black employment at this point, but IDK for sure.
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Post by Opti on Jul 4, 2014 21:47:14 GMT -5
There are a 100 million people living on the streets, Really. All living near you?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 4, 2014 21:52:23 GMT -5
There are a 100 million people living on the streets, Really. All living near you? I asked Shooby a page or two earlier to cite the source of her 100 MILLION claim. NO response. Just the sound of crickets.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 4, 2014 21:53:00 GMT -5
I don't know. Ask DJ.
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Post by dondub on Jul 4, 2014 22:20:13 GMT -5
Nope. That was the complete post, in it's entirety. Nothing to take out of context.
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Post by Opti on Jul 5, 2014 7:56:51 GMT -5
Really. All living near you? I asked Shooby a page or two earlier to cite the source of her 100 MILLION claim. NO response. Just the sound of crickets. I believe the 100 million claim was from an author's article Paul posted based on incorrectly reading a study on Families with children on the number of people working in a household. The study did not cover all households, just those with children.
I don't know how big the potential workforce is. Some folks like large numbers because it sounds awesome and huge, but everything has a scale. If you are part of a 4 person family, there will be large swaths of time that the labor participation in your household is under the rate of participation in the workforce. Generally kids under 16 don't work and not all kids get jobs until college or after. At best, you are looking at not working 0-16 and say 65 to 85/death. Thirty six years more or less. One probably doesn't work consistently from 16 to 65 unless they worked through college or never went. So max 49 years on the work life for most. And when a population is growing there generally are more children than adults, hence the working population is likely to be significantly less than the total population.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 5, 2014 8:18:20 GMT -5
So while Shooby is "schlepping" herself "out of bed before the crack of dawn going to get" her "arse kicked all day by The Man" some of those "100 million" are five-year-old kids who personally and individually own their own "cell phones, Dish TV, cars," and have "heat, food on the table" in their own government paid housing with the lease under the five-year-old's name?
'Uh huh.'.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 5, 2014 9:29:49 GMT -5
Don't be silly. Those children are being used to support their parents. Don't you see the ads for free cell phones if you're on SNAP? According to SNAP users, it's for the CHILDREN. Of course the adults are eating, too, huh? But lets disregard that.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 5, 2014 10:43:07 GMT -5
Not surprising. It's going to be very difficult, I'd assume, to back up a statistic that says that nearly one out of three Americans is living on the streets. The actual estimate is that the homeless population is 19 per 10,000 people, or a total of around 600.000 in this country. That is less than one in 500 for the math-challenged. But by all means, lets overstate the problem for effect to try and blame the people we don't like.
I would suggest, though, that overstating the problem by a factor of 170 is a bit excessive. The only person looking bad there is the declarer.
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Post by Opti on Jul 5, 2014 11:40:53 GMT -5
Don't be silly. Those children are being used to support their parents. Don't you see the ads for free cell phones if you're on SNAP? According to SNAP users, it's for the CHILDREN. Of course the adults are eating, too, huh? But lets disregard that. Lets apparently only focus on part of the issue.
You prefer to focus on the bad apples and assume most of them are bad. According to this link with data from 2010, less than half the households on SNAP have children. But yes, because they do have children the total benefits paid out is over 50% of the SNAP budget.
Households with Different Types of People (Number if Millions) Percent avg monthly income avg SNAP/mo. With children 8.9 49 923 419 With people age 60 or older 2.9 16 813 144 With disabled people age 59- 3.6 20 946 219 Without children, people age 60 or >, 4.3 24 268 194 or disabled people Households with Different Types of Income Earned income 5.5
No income at all 3.6 SS, SSI, TANF everyone else
Household total was 18.4 (millions) in 2010
Over time, the share of SNAP households with earned income and the share with no income have both risen, whereas the share receiving cash assistance from Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) or its successor, TANF, has declined significantly. In 1990, just under 20 percent of SNAP households had earned income, and fewer than 10 percent reported no income. In 2010, in contrast, the share of households with earned
income was roughly 30 percent, and about 20 percent of households reported having no income. In that year, less than 10 percent of households were receiving cash assistance from TANF, compared with more than 40 percent that were receiving cash assistance in 1990 from AFDC. Some of the increase in the share of households with earned income probably occurred because of changes in SNAP’s rules and operation that made it easier for people who work to participate in the program.4 Most of the decline in the share of households receiving SNAP benefits that also received cash assistance was because of an overall reduction in the number of households receiving such assistance.
www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/04-19-SNAP.pdf
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Post by dondub on Jul 5, 2014 20:28:23 GMT -5
Maybe we should just cut SNAP off completely and start starving people so the Repos are happy.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 5, 2014 20:33:47 GMT -5
The same old song. Nice try
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 5, 2014 21:42:44 GMT -5
But accurate. Painting people that use SNAP as lowlife losers that do not want to work in spite of the fact that they are not is the same old song and dance here. The welfare queen myth lives on.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jul 5, 2014 21:53:30 GMT -5
I read the posts yesterday, and was going to ask the same thing - where are the sources/links/data for the claim of 100 million?
(As for "Why do People Vote Replublican?" - Isn't that a person's choice in a democracy to pick their party/candidate of choice?
I live in Canada - and have a specific Party I generally support, but if I don't care for the Candidate running in that party - or their views/ideals, I might choose one from a different party who supports what I want to see for the future of our country.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 5, 2014 22:08:42 GMT -5
I read the posts yesterday, and was going to ask the same thing - where are the sources/links/data for the claim of 100 million?
(As for "Why do People Vote Replublican?" - Isn't that a person's choice in a democracy to pick their party/candidate of choice?
I live in Canada - and have a specific Party I generally support, but if I don't care for the Candidate running in that party - or their views/ideals, I might choose one from a different party who supports what I want to see for the future of our country.
The "question" in the title is dealt with in the article linked in the OP. It is not an open ended question. The article, IM(not so)HO, is an excellently written thought piece.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 6, 2014 8:46:11 GMT -5
If welfare queen was a myth, we would never see it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 6, 2014 10:17:16 GMT -5
If welfare queen was a myth, we would never see it. it is a small scale fact and a large scale myth.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 6, 2014 10:46:22 GMT -5
There may be Welfare Queens. And then there are Queens (and Kings) of Mean like Leona Hemsley of " We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes" fame. Both types often and do end up doing prison time if caught.
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Post by Opti on Jul 6, 2014 10:59:25 GMT -5
If welfare queen was a myth, we would never see it. it is a small scale fact and a large scale myth. Correct, they exist just like corporate fat cats.
I think reasonable people should strive to see issues in context and not fixate on issues that are a small percentage of the problem. I forget which poster who admits they see the worst of the worst in her job (social work) which she knows is say, .5% of the problem, and admits that exposure makes her jaded because she really isn't exposed to the other 99.5% of the people.
Given less than half of the households have children, that means roughly less than half of the adults could even attempt the welfare lifestyle that some think is so easy and attainable.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 6, 2014 11:21:31 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why anyone votes Republican anymore. The "cross the aisle to take it up the arse" John McCain types have abandoned the Repo party long ago. If I want to induce vomiting, I simply shout Lindsay Graham!
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Post by dondub on Jul 6, 2014 11:55:13 GMT -5
The same old song. Nice try
The same old song I keep hearing is that the Repos think SNAP is some scam by lowlifes when, in fact, it helps feed numerous elderly, disabled vets, and children amongst others.
So let's perpetrate some political based malnutrition on these poor folks, have a few die, and then pretend you're all into 'family values'.
At the food bank I volunteer at every Friday, as soon as the SNAP cuts hit in November our numbers went up 25+%. Believe it or not, hunger is a huge problem in this 'exceptional' nation that is supposed to be #1.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 6, 2014 19:43:03 GMT -5
it is a small scale fact and a large scale myth. Correct, they exist just like corporate fat cats. .
i was trying to come up with a counter-myth, and i couldn't think of it. thanks.
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