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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 25, 2014 21:48:37 GMT -5
Did you ponder these analytical thoughts while out walking your pooch (for the third time today) and then picking up his poop?
Meanwhile, I was indoors, playing a wicked game of backgammon online (and winning) while my fur-baby feline was curled up on my lap. So there!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 25, 2014 22:21:12 GMT -5
That's why they call you "cat people". Because you have to be one of you to "get" cats. Tenn's video in Reply #27 is basically how I see cats. "Oh... you. Flesh sack #8 a.k.a. 'Brandon'. Analyzing... No kitty treats detected. No kitty toys detected. Probability of rub: 92%. Conclusion: Insufficient motivation to lift butt off couch. " A dog, on the other hand:
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 25, 2014 22:30:49 GMT -5
Did you ponder these analytical thoughts while out walking your pooch (for the third time today) and then picking up his poop?
Meanwhile, I was indoors, playing a wicked game of backgammon online (and winning) while my fur-baby feline was curled up on my lap. So there! So you can own a pet but still remain completely sedentary? What a deal. We don't currently own a pet, but if/when we do get one it will be so that we can actually do things with it besides cradling its unconscious body while we play online backgammon.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 25, 2014 22:31:08 GMT -5
I will say a well tended, loved dog will be the only living animal ever in your entire life that thinks you walk on water.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 25, 2014 23:02:51 GMT -5
I will say a well tended, loved dog will be the only living animal ever in your entire life that thinks you walk on water. .. and walks on snow in the dead of winter in Toronto - when Virgil has to take Mr Snufflegumps out for his morning poopalooza while he's still wearing his flannel PJ's, and donning his parka & mukluks.
Meanwhile, I'm still sitting at my kitchen table enjoying a hot cup of coffee & warm breakfast - while he's out the cold picking up frozen doggy-poop. My cat is blissfully catching some rays in the window.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 23:24:09 GMT -5
I think Virgil would have preferred a behavioral study on my cat.
Communicating his discontent LOUDLY over being stuffed in a box, upon release he would immediately slash my throat. He would clean up the mess later when he got hungry because he is quite self sufficient.
He luvs me but doesn't like his dignity messed with. He also thinks he's a Jaguar.
He growls at strangers and rushes to the door when I get home, then unceremoniously flops on the floor exposing his belly for a scratch. He might have delusions of being a dog. I always thought he was just trying to trip me to get me on his level.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 26, 2014 0:38:21 GMT -5
I think Virgil would have preferred a behavioral study on my cat. Communicating his discontent LOUDLY over being stuffed in a box, upon release he would immediately slash my throat. He would clean up the mess later when he got hungry because he is quite self sufficient. He luvs me but doesn't like his dignity messed with. He also thinks he's a Jaguar. He growls at strangers and rushes to the door when I get home, then unceremoniously flops on the floor exposing his belly for a scratch. He might have delusions of being a dog. I always thought he was just trying to trip me to get me on his level. Your "fur baby" sounds pretty much like most of the other board members'. mmhmm's cats screech, break furniture, shred tortillas, and drag steaks around her apartment. She refers to them as "the Meezer from hell" and "little awful Arnie". Her post history about her cat "chooch" reads like a war survivor's diary. Weltz's cat refuses to leave her bathroom, tears open her trash bags for food scraps, destroys her couch, endlessly flies around the windowsills, and sheds into her furnace vents. Like mmhmm, Weltz refers to her latest cat as "the demon cat". steff's cats are "bitchy". They fight to sleep on her face. They fight over status. They fight over her husband's pillow. She describes one as " kill you in your sleep mean". Her post pretty much sums it up: " My Miss O has those tall sharp & hairy Maine Coone ears & the longest damn legs I've ever seen on a cat. She's also one of the meaner cats I've had. Even my vicious MooMoo never had to be put on kitty prozac by a vet, but Miss O has been & we still have days that she needs it. On her mean days, we try to keep kiddo's little doggie away from her until her meds kick in." Not surprisingly, steff also refers to her cats as being "from hell" in several posts. Sugilite hasn't owned a cat for many years since her last cat " pushed [her] over the edge. He was THAT diabolical." She describes her cats as " attitude with fur and fangs", and recounts how they'd run up her Christmas tree and destroy her ornaments. She too refers to her next cat (you may be sensing a theme here) as "fluff from hell". POM describes her job as " a full time scullery maid to my cats. I scoop poop, clean up puke and sweep and mop floors, etc. regularly." Other cat ownership highlights include and my personal favourite: And just in case you haven't established a theme yet, POM refers to her cats as "my little hellions". Zib's cat, SL's cats, Tenn's cats, ... same thing. I haven't actually done the wet work, but search for "hell", "demon", "vicious", "disaster", etc. in their profiles and you'll no doubt turn up plenty of anecdotes about their cats. If you want to blow my mind about cats, show me one cat owner's anecdotes that aren't punctuated by 700 flavours of disaster.
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Post by steff on May 26, 2014 0:52:50 GMT -5
Those cats aren't any fun & have no personality.
And I'm sure you could come up with just as many dog horror stories. Our last dog ate 3 doors, tore up an entire hallway of carpet, turned a wooden breadbox into toothpicks, pulled down all the ductwork from the basement ceiling, and had just a few separation anxiety "issues".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 26, 2014 1:12:31 GMT -5
My parents' golden retriever ate some carpeting off a basement step as a puppy and needed an operation. Our malamutes were territorial and needed to be kept on a leash around other dogs. But we knew that when we bought them. Other than that and some occasional medical problems--cysts, ear infections, etc.--I got nothin'. All the work was worth it because the other 99% of the time they were a joy to be around. They didn't need to cause havoc to be fun or have personality. Anyway... we've clearly established that I just don't understand cats. If your cats bring you happiness, they bring you happiness. That's ultimately the point of owning a pet: we love them and they make us happy. If that's the end result, it doesn't particularly matter how they accomplish it. I just won't ever live in the same universe as you guys. You crazy.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 26, 2014 1:45:49 GMT -5
Can't we just agree that cats have human slaves to feed & pamper them, and dogs also have human slaves to take them for walkies and pee-breaks 10x a day>?
Other than that, dogs just lay around and drool.
Cats also act as fly/bug catchers and stealth bombers if a moth or other creepy-crawly sneaks in your house.. and as I mentioned before, they're self-cleaning.
I think the cat owners have the better bargain.
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Post by zibazinski on May 26, 2014 7:36:04 GMT -5
Yea! It happens to tech savvy people too. I feel better.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 26, 2014 8:11:39 GMT -5
Can't we just agree that cats have human slaves to feed & pamper them, and dogs also have human slaves to take them for walkies and pee-breaks 10x a day>?
Other than that, dogs just lay around and drool.
Cats also act as fly/bug catchers and stealth bombers if a moth or other creepy-crawly sneaks in your house.. and as I mentioned before, they're self-cleaning.
I think the cat owners have the better bargain.
Try 2 walks a day, and one additional pee break. The walks are part of the benefit of owning a dog. Besides being good exercise, many dog owners enjoy *gasp* [img]http://images.proboards.com/new/shocked.gif[/img] walks with Fido. When living in the country, a pee break is just letting Fido out and then back in again. When they're not engaged, dogs do pretty much what cats do. Sleep, play, mill around, poke at you for attention. But in contrast to cats, they can be easily corralled, they can't climb drapes, furniture, counter tops, etc., they nearly always get along with other dogs, and they don't kill off local wildlife. Like cats, Dogs will eat creepy-crawlies. They need to be bathed occasionally, but so do cats. Cat owners report having to bathe their cats (especially outdoor cats) anywhere from once every three weeks to once every three months, and likewise report that Kitty stinks to high heaven if you leave it too long. The principal difference is that nearly all dogs enjoy being bathed or can at least tolerate it. Getting a cat to bathe is another matter entirely. Then we come to the little matter of engaging the animal. Dogs love to engage their owners. They fetch and tug and play all manner of games. They invariably love any outdoor activity. Most love to swim, go on bike rides, go hiking, etc. Indoors or outdoors, they possess an infectious joie de vivre. Also, in case it hasn't been mentioned before, they genuinely love you and express happiness to see you and don't think of you as a box that barfs out food every once in a while. Just a little thing, love. Hence I'd say it's rather obvious that dog owners have the better deal. [img]http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png[/img]
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Post by Tennesseer on May 26, 2014 9:19:55 GMT -5
Cats bring you gifts too! Nothing says "I love you" like a decapitated bird on the back porch Or a small pile of voles.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 26, 2014 14:38:07 GMT -5
I think Virgil would have preferred a behavioral study on my cat. Communicating his discontent LOUDLY over being stuffed in a box, upon release he would immediately slash my throat. He would clean up the mess later when he got hungry because he is quite self sufficient. He luvs me but doesn't like his dignity messed with. He also thinks he's a Jaguar. He growls at strangers and rushes to the door when I get home, then unceremoniously flops on the floor exposing his belly for a scratch. He might have delusions of being a dog. I always thought he was just trying to trip me to get me on his level. Your "fur baby" sounds pretty much like most of the other board members'. mmhmm's cats screech, break furniture, shred tortillas, and drag steaks around her apartment. She refers to them as "the Meezer from hell" and "little awful Arnie". Her post history about her cat "chooch" reads like a war survivor's diary. Weltz's cat refuses to leave her bathroom, tears open her trash bags for food scraps, destroys her couch, endlessly flies around the windowsills, and sheds into her furnace vents. Like mmhmm, Weltz refers to her latest cat as "the demon cat". steff's cats are "bitchy". They fight to sleep on her face. They fight over status. They fight over her husband's pillow. She describes one as " kill you in your sleep mean". Her post pretty much sums it up: " My Miss O has those tall sharp & hairy Maine Coone ears & the longest damn legs I've ever seen on a cat. She's also one of the meaner cats I've had. Even my vicious MooMoo never had to be put on kitty prozac by a vet, but Miss O has been & we still have days that she needs it. On her mean days, we try to keep kiddo's little doggie away from her until her meds kick in." Not surprisingly, steff also refers to her cats as being "from hell" in several posts. Sugilite hasn't owned a cat for many years since her last cat " pushed [her] over the edge. He was THAT diabolical." She describes her cats as " attitude with fur and fangs", and recounts how they'd run up her Christmas tree and destroy her ornaments. She too refers to her next cat (you may be sensing a theme here) as "fluff from hell". POM describes her job as " a full time scullery maid to my cats. I scoop poop, clean up puke and sweep and mop floors, etc. regularly." Other cat ownership highlights include and my personal favourite: And just in case you haven't established a theme yet, POM refers to her cats as "my little hellions". Zib's cat, SL's cats, Tenn's cats, ... same thing. I haven't actually done the wet work, but search for "hell", "demon", "vicious", "disaster", etc. in their profiles and you'll no doubt turn up plenty of anecdotes about their cats. If you want to blow my mind about cats, show me one cat owner's anecdotes that aren't punctuated by 700 flavours of disaster. I would think you'd be grateful for our patience and understanding. It's also the way we see you. You are our little Hellion who pukes randomly on what people care about and talk about. I won't mention your skid marks or bad smells. Seriously LMAO!!! Although those "gifts" break my heart the way you worded that...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 26, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5
Nice try, but if that was true it would be obvious. I'd wander into personal grief threads and make comments like "It sounds like your dead relative was a jerk anyway. I hope he died painfully." Your response would be something along the lines of "Isn't Virgil just the sweetest guy? He just made a joke. Oh look, now he's posting photoshopped pictures of your friend impaled on a stake. Isn't that just precious! Aww. He just told me to shut my fat face. What a wonderful present just for me. " When that starts to happen, then I'll know you nutters think of me like a cat.
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Post by dannylion on May 26, 2014 19:24:08 GMT -5
Dogs are good.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 20:31:28 GMT -5
My kitty is hugging me a lot today. I think he knows I was with another cat yesterday He looks just like this guy
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 20:34:29 GMT -5
Be nice Virgil, or else
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Post by zibazinski on May 26, 2014 21:40:21 GMT -5
Our cats are just like kids. Very distinct personalities. One thinks she's a princess, ones introverted, ones a lover not a fighter, and the other had to go to the office and be an only child. Boarding school!!
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 26, 2014 22:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on May 26, 2014 23:10:58 GMT -5
I like a man who has his priorities straight!
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Post by mmhmm on May 27, 2014 4:43:55 GMT -5
The Chooch and Arnie both fetch anything thrown for them. Chooch will also play tug-of-war with the belt from a terry-cloth robe (she swiped it from my closet and it's become hers). Fortunately, none of mine go outside, so no once-living creatures have been sacrificed in my name. We did have a Burmese, years ago, who decided to bring food when the men-folk went on a fishing trip for a week. There was one dead gopher brought to the patio door every day. When DH and DS returned, there were 7 dead gophers in various stages of decomposition waiting for them. Of course, that was the same cat who brought us a full bag of marshmallows one day. I don't know whose cook-out he ruined.
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Post by truthbound on May 27, 2014 4:57:57 GMT -5
Virgil - One should not criticize what one does not understand. Seriously what a stupid ass video. Comparing cats to people. My cats come running to the door when I come home. I had one for 16 years and I was it's sole focus of attention. The difference unlike with a dog is I earned her affection. She slept with me, followed me around and jumped in the shower each morning. She growled every time my wife and I held hands. One time she even sensed someone had bad intentions towards me and attacked them. Turned out she was right. Thanks to her I was able to take them down when they tried to kill me. She saved my life. Sadly she died a couple of years ago at the age of 16. Since then I adopted a Balinese male who has spent every waking moment standing guard at the front door. Anyone who thinks they can't love you has no idea what they are talking about.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 27, 2014 6:13:41 GMT -5
We're making a distinction between "cats" and "wife-hating, life-saving Rambo guard cats" for sake of the discussion, TB.
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Post by Jaguar on May 27, 2014 7:04:24 GMT -5
Virgil you NEED real hobbies, not this one.
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Post by wyouser on May 27, 2014 10:36:02 GMT -5
The cat shows its love though it's "body language" and even it's verbal "language".
If it's angry or frightened, it hisses - much like the dog growls.
When it's content or relaxed, it will purr - if it wants to express affection, it will crawl up near your face and give you a gentle nudge on your face, or a lick, or will softly purr in your ear. It will "knead" on your lap, then curl up for a snooze - in bed, they'll find a niche to sleep in the curve of your leg behind the knee - or at the base of your back - or resting across your arm.
They're no different really, than dogs - who'll curl up at your feet, or in your lap (if they're small), or at the foot of your bed (or even on your bed if you let them). I wonder how comfortable this woman is sleeping with a giant St Bernard taking up all the space:
(Notice it's the cat she's cuddling who's actually the affectionate pet in this household - the other one's just a four-legged garbage disposal that poops & hogs the bed). Look closely at the angle and position of the dog......He's on guard while the cat and girl are sleeping. Two cookies for the dog!! (Cat's sleeping on the job)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 27, 2014 18:01:42 GMT -5
There's no doubt cat owners perceive being loved. The question is whether those perceptions are based in reality.
Answering the question is a fool's errand in a sense, since we're limited to observing kitty behaviour and then speculating as to what "feelings" certain behaviours imply. Cat owners obviously prefer to believe that cats love them in the same familial sense as close relatives. Behavioural scientists like Dr. Mills, on the other hand, have run controlled experiments and observed that cats don't exhibit the behaviours that normally indicate a "secure attachment" to an owner.
Posters here have challenged Dr. Mills' assertions by arguing that cats are simply "less needy" than children and dogs, and thus that the absence of "secure attachment" behaviour doesn't necessarily refute the existence of a secure attachment.
Many other posters have claimed that their cats do--at least occasionally--exhibit "secure attachment" behaviour. But of course even if their observations are correct, the "behaviour vs. feelings" sword cuts both ways. We can't conclude that a cat snuggling up to her owner at night is definitive proof that the cat loves her owner. Many of my arguments stem from this particular brand of skepticism.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 27, 2014 18:08:55 GMT -5
Virgil - One should not criticize what one does not understand. Seriously what a stupid ass video. Comparing cats to people. My cats come running to the door when I come home. I had one for 16 years and I was it's sole focus of attention. The difference unlike with a dog is I earned her affection. She slept with me, followed me around and jumped in the shower each morning. She growled every time my wife and I held hands. One time she even sensed someone had bad intentions towards me and attacked them. Turned out she was right. Thanks to her I was able to put them down when they tried to kill me. She saved my life. Sadly she died a couple of years ago at the age of 16. Since then I adopted a Balinese male who has spent every waking moment standing guard at the front door. Anyone who thinks they can't love you has no idea what they are talking about. I know! All cat owners know they are much superior! Ours are waiting at the door for us to come home and actually fight over who gets to us first. If I even go outside to trim my Topiaries mine are at the door (leaded glass) watching me. DH says they cry until I come in. We always have food out for them along with fresh water so it's not because they are telling me to get my ass in the kitchen.
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Post by truthbound on May 28, 2014 2:10:12 GMT -5
We're making a distinction between "cats" and "wife-hating, life-saving Rambo guard cats" for sake of the discussion, TB. She didn't hate my wife. That happened when we first got married and 'the intruder' moved in. Also she was no longer the center of attention and crapped in front of my office door for a month. It eventually passed.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 28, 2014 5:40:56 GMT -5
We're making a distinction between "cats" and "wife-hating, life-saving Rambo guard cats" for sake of the discussion, TB. She didn't hate my wife. That happened when we first got married and 'the intruder' moved in. Also she was no longer the center of attention and crapped in front of my office door for a month. It eventually passed. Ah. Deb syndrome. Gotcha.
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