Egyptian Army Crosses Sinai, Israel Nukes Them

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Reality Check. If Israel, which currently posses an estimated 200 nuclear weapons, was prepared to drop a nuke in front of the Egyptian army in 1973, you can bet they haven't lost the resolve to do it today.

The dynamic may change politically in Egypt, but the reality is this: There's NO WAY the well-paid, mostly comfortable, hasn't-seen-combat-in-years, Egyptian military wants a part in an Islamist suicide mission against Israel.

So, in short- I ain't worried this will lead to war.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...that makes one of us...

[marjar]

I'm concerned about how this will play out in other countries that are teetering on the brink of revolution.

[ed1066]

The bad news is that the Muslim Brotherhood may or may not have relationships with Iran deep enough to be receiving weapons, possibly nuclear weapons, from them. If that's the case, and they take over Egypt while Obama looks the other way or even assists, there could be trouble if the MB circumvents the Egyptian military altogether and goes for the big bang on their own...

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<<<I'm concerned about how this will play out in other countries that are teetering on the brink of revolution. >>>

...you mean like CA or AZ or TX?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nobody wants the big bang. That's my point. Even the mullahs in Iran don't want that. They want to use the bomb as a negotiating tool. It works to their advantage to have us think they're nuts the way it worked to our advantage to have the Soviets think Reagan had his finger on the button.

[Deleted]

Well, I hear Iran has a different kind of extremist than the others, but I guess they could all unite for the common good of the global Islamist nation if the USA, Israel, and lots of other countries are very unlucky.. I'm still alarmed that Iran is allowing a peaceful protest in support of the Egyptian protesters tomorrow. Since when does Iran allow protests?

(Hey-- speaking of AZ-- our Gov. Brewer is counter-suing the Feds for not enforcing immigration and interfering with our AZ SB1070-- then sticking AZ with the cost of the illegals. She's a tough gal-- I like her. I'm glad Obama stole Jan Nap so we could get Brewer, even though Jan Nap is still strangling us at the fed level. We're trying here, guys, but AZ is kinda small and broke to fight the 3rd war on the border against Mexican drug cartels, the regular illegals, and the Feds!!)

And back to our regular programming.....

[privateinvestor]

Don't forget the Muslim Brotherhood took our Sadat for signing a peace treaty with Israel and there have been attempts to kill Omar Suleiman..But the White House has refused to discuss this for obvious reasons..

[Gardening Grandma]

Feb 10, 2011 17:28:12 GMT -5 @marjar said:

I'm concerned about how this will play out in other countries that are teetering on the brink of revolution.

That's what I'm wondering as well. DH and I were in Egypt back in 1990. Our hotel was only a block from Tahir Square....it seems so strange to see it in this context.

[workpublic]

[privateinvestor]

Cairo at a crossroads.....and nobody in the liberal media knows what will happen in the next few days. Obama was clueless about the uprising and now looks clueless again about the transition of power in Egypt so his critics (Gingrich, Huckabee, Romney, Palin, and etc) were correct....this job as our President is way above his pay grade and level of competence....just reading from a TelePrompTer notes and speech's from his advisor's just doesn't do much anymore for the American public who expected and deserve more from their president

[swamp]

Feb 11, 2011 9:12:16 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Cairo at a crossroads.....and nobody in the liberal media knows what will happen in the next few days. Obama was clueless about the uprising and now looks clueless again about the transition of power in Egypt so his critics (Gingrich, Huckabee, Romney, Palin, and etc) were correct....this job as our President is way above his pay grade and level of competence....just reading from a TelePrompTer notes and speech's from his advisor's just doesn't do much anymore for the American public who expected and deserve more from their president

"Nobody in the liberal media knows what will happen in the next few days.........."

Oh come on, nobody knows what going to happen, liberal, conservative, middle of the road, Islamists, Zionist, whatever. Unless Faux News is hiding a crystal ball...........

[workpublic]

imho, #9 shows us what will happen.

[swamp]

Feb 11, 2011 9:31:06 GMT -5 workpublic said:

imho, #9 shows us what will happen.

I agree, that is a distinct possibility, but I'm pretty sure NOBODY, even the soothsayers at Fox "know" what's going to happen.

[workpublic]

maybe some at the CFR(council on foreign relations) "know" ;D

i wonder if eygpt was talked about at the last bilderberger meeting.

if it was, then david rockerfeller "knows"

[workpublic]

i'm hoping we have our "economic hitmen" over there talking to whichever eygptian army officer cadre is the strongest.

[privateinvestor]

CAIRO, Feb 11 (Reuters) - Egypt's army gave guarantees on Friday that President Hosni Mubarak's promised reforms would be carried out, but protesters intensified an uprising seeking his removal by massing outside the presidential palace.

The assurances were seen as a push by the powerful military to defuse a revolt unprecedented in modern Egypt and a signal it wanted demonstrators off the streets after 18 days of turmoil that has disrupted the economy and rattled the Middle East.

"This is not our demand," one protester said, after relaying the contents of the army statement to the crowd in Cairo's central Tahrir (Liberation) Square. "We have one demand, that Mubarak step down."

About 2,000 peeled off from Tahrir and gathered outside the presidential palace for the first time to demand Mubarak resign immediately, and the army did not try to remove them.

At its closest point, the cordon was about 50 metres (yards) from the palace walls. Parked between the walls and the cordon were tanks and soldiers from the elite Republican Guard which is in charge of presidential security.

"Revolution, revolution, until victory! Revolution all over Egypt," hundreds of thousands of protesters chanted in Tahrir.

The increasingly bitter confrontation has raised fears of uncontrolled violence in the most populous Arab nation, a key U.S. ally in an oil-rich region where the chance of chaos spreading to other long stable but repressive states troubles the West.

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For all stories on the crisis, click on [nLDE70O2DA]

Should Russia, China worry? link.reuters.com/byb97r

Protest timeline link.reuters.com/zyb97r

For graphics, click on r.reuters.com/nym77r

Live Blog live.reuters.com/UK/Event/Unrest_in_Egypt

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

OK, not kidding: I'm a member of the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. It's a more left-leaning group than you'd probably expect me to be a part of, but though I'm a libertarian and oppose global tyranny- I recognize that global governance is where we're headed. The ultimate solution for developing nation's integration into a world order created, and managed by the world's economic powers is for there to be a common international standard-- mainly for human rights, trade, intellectual property, and other important rules to live by.

The CFR is pretty harmless, and I've yet to discover the grand conspiracy at the center of it.

[deziloooooo]

This is a tough article that brings into questions of where Israel is headed in their ongoing non bargaining with the Palestinians. Not all facts are correct and trust me , a hugh argument can be given for the intransigences of the Palestinians in their claims for a State too, as much if not more but just because it has criticism of certain Israeli positions and decisions of the past, does not mean it should not be discussed.
In case some one comes on and accuses me of being anti Semitic, a enemy of the Zionist movement, anti Israel..nothing is further from the truth.
I do have some questions on their policies..but I am a Zionist, believe Israel has to remain a Jewish State , not a state of plurality, has to be the strongest state in the area possible 10 fold over their foes or potential foes..but I still have questions.
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english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201128131221271956.html
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"Those of us in the pro-Israel, pro-peace camp do not enjoy being proven right — although we invariably are.

Our standard recommendation to Israel is that it should move quickly to achieve agreements with the Arab states and the stateless Palestinians before it is too late.

And the Israeli response is that there is no urgency to make peace — except on Israeli terms — because Israel is strong and the Arabs are weak."
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"The most egregious example of this phenomenon comes from Egypt, where in 1971 President Anwar Sadat offered to begin negotiations toward peace in exchange for a two-mile wide Israeli withdrawal from the east bank of the Suez Canal, which Israel had captured along with the rest of the Sinai Peninsula in the 1967 war.

Learning from history

The Nixon administration told the Israeli government to explore the idea because Sadat was intent on going to war if he did not get his territory back.

The peace camp in Israel and its allies here urged Israel to follow Nixon's advice and hear Sadat out. The lobby, of course, told Nixon to mind his own business.

As for the Israeli cabinet, it told Nixon's emissary, Assistant Secretary of State Joseph Sisco, that it had no interest in discussing Egypt's offer. It voted for keeping all of the Sinai Peninsula and sending Egypt a simple message: no. After all, the Egyptians had shown just four years earlier that they were no match for the IDF.

Two years later, the Egyptians attacked, and within hours all of Israel's positions along the canal were overrun and its soldiers killed. By the time the war ended, Israel had lost 3,000 soldiers and almost the state itself. And then, a few years later, it gave up the entire Sinai anyway - not just the two-mile strip Egypt had demanded in 1971"
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{click on the link to go to the article}

[marjar]

Feb 10, 2011 18:18:37 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Feb 10, 2011 17:28:12 GMT -5 @marjar said:

I'm concerned about how this will play out in other countries that are teetering on the brink of revolution.

That's what I'm wondering as well. DH and I were in Egypt back in 1990. Our hotel was only a block from Tahir Square....it seems so strange to see it in this context.

It must be very disconcerting to watch this.

[rileyoday]

Sinai Peacekeeping Force is a multinational force of soldiers in the Sinai peninsula for 30 years. Egypt would in effect be attacking all these countries if it wanted to cross the peninsula.

They are there to prevent this and it is effective. Egypt attacks 10-15 countries.??
Put in place 1981.

[Deleted]

MB is getting ready to take over Egypt. Iranian ships are now in the Sinai. Problem?? Oh, no, no problem at all. Dancing with the stars is on-- when?

[marjar]

"Egypt is going to have a big, big impact around the region," said Salman Sheik, director of The Brookings Doha Center in Qatar. "It is — as it always has been — a bellwether for what happens elsewhere. It's wrong, though, to get into a count about what country could be next. The real impact is already being seen in reforms that are coming from countries feeling the pressure."

Zaki Bani Rusheid, a leading Islamist figure in Jordan, described "a new dawn, new stage" emerging.

"This is a new future painted by bloody hands of Egyptians and Tunisians that knocked on the doors of freedom."

Leaders across the region have made a variety of concessions and also tightened security.

Anti-government protests have erupted in recent weeks with demonstrators complaining of corruption, lack of services and rising prices. More are being planned.
in the Middle East.

Algerians have watched with fascination the revolts in Egypt, and opposition groups say they will defy a police ban and hold a protest march in the capital on Saturday, NBC News reported.

Algerians are angered by high unemployment, poor housing, high prices and corruption. They ask why they have not felt more benefit from the billions of dollars in oil and gas revenue the government spends on public projects.