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Post by zibazinski on Mar 13, 2013 11:20:45 GMT -5
The response to this would have gotten me banned for life and it was almost worth it.
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doxieluvr
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Post by doxieluvr on Mar 13, 2013 11:28:15 GMT -5
We are always going to have people that can't take care of and support themselves. I don't think we should allow them to starve to death.
I might feel different if there was a job for every able bodied person, which was substantial enough to provide a reasonable standard of living. As of now we do not have that in this country.
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Post by susanb on Mar 13, 2013 11:32:04 GMT -5
We are always going to have people that can't take care of and support themselves. I don't think we should allow them to starve to death. I might feel different if there was a job for every able bodied person, which was substantial enough to provide a reasonable standard of living. As of now we do not have that in this country. Why is it okay to allow people from other countries to starve to death? Are they inherently less valuable? What is a reasonable standard of living? If the world lived as we do, the planet would run out of resources in a very short period of time.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 13, 2013 11:35:04 GMT -5
We are always going to have people that can't take care of and support themselves. I don't think we should allow them to starve to death. I might feel different if there was a job for every able bodied person, which was substantial enough to provide a reasonable standard of living. As of now we do not have that in this country. What do you consider a reasonable standard of living? Someone is always going to be at the bottom. If you raised minimum wage to $20 prices would skyrocket and the salaries would have to be adjusted all around for other people. A single person can actually make it on minimum wage in many areas of the country. If you are making minimum wage and barely supporting yourself then don't have a litter of children and expect others to take care of you. An oops can happen and I am okay with that but it doesn't happen 12 times. That is a blatant disregard and not an accident.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 13, 2013 11:39:33 GMT -5
We are always going to have people that can't take care of and support themselves. I don't think we should allow them to starve to death. I might feel different if there was a job for every able bodied person, which was substantial enough to provide a reasonable standard of living. As of now we do not have that in this country. What do you consider a reasonable standard of living? Someone is always going to be at the bottom. If you raised minimum wage to $20 prices would skyrocket and the salaries would have to be adjusted all around for other people. A single person can actually make it on minimum wage in many areas of the country. If you are making minimum wage and barely supporting yourself then don't have a litter of children and expect others to take care of you. An oops can happen and I am okay with that but it doesn't happen 12 times. That is a blatant disregard and not an accident. While I agree that this woman is a pretty poor excuse for a human being it also doesn't get me all upset either. The reality is that this type of thing just isn't that common. The welfare queen is a lot more common in theory than in real life. And as far as the Duggers go I don't remember ever hearing about them getting any aid other than free heath insurance for life for being a member of the Ark legislator for 2 years. That is a whole 'nother conversation as to if that should even be allowed.
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Post by taz157 on Mar 13, 2013 11:39:36 GMT -5
If you are making minimum wage and barely supporting yourself then don't have a litter of children and expect others to take care of you. An oops can happen and I am okay with that but it doesn't happen 12 times. That is a blatant disregard and not an accident.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 13, 2013 11:47:41 GMT -5
I've heard that too. So I never bring up government aid. I do wonder if they pay any taxes. I suspect their % is pretty darn low. You can use the excuse that they are creating future tax payers, but if each their kids also a quiver full, they won't pay any taxes either. I'm sure they, as we all do, use community resources, like roads, etc. But, they homeschool, so they aren't using public schools, and I'm sure they didn't use any subsidized day care or anything like that.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Mar 13, 2013 11:54:13 GMT -5
They would still have to pay property taxes and possibly state income taxes depending on what the allowable deductions are for AR. And they pay the "use" taxes on food & gas and other commodities as they purchase them. Isn't that always the argument when people try to say a certain portion doesn't pay any federal income taxes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:15:17 GMT -5
"An oops can happen and I am okay with that but it doesn't happen 12 times. That is a blatant disregard and not an accident. "
Well actually for this woman it happened 15 times. 12 are minors, the other 3 are not.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 13, 2013 12:44:58 GMT -5
They would still have to pay property taxes and possibly state income taxes depending on what the allowable deductions are for AR. And they pay the "use" taxes on food & gas and other commodities as they purchase them. Isn't that always the argument when people try to say a certain portion doesn't pay any federal income taxes? From what little I know about them, gotten entirely from the Today show , they own property and rent them out. So I would think they pay property tax but probably don't have as much income as wealth as far as that is concerned. Their show is another matter. I would think it earns them a decent amount. But would they have to seperate out the kids part of that money with an account for each of them? Eveyone was up in arms about Kate plus 8, but I never hear anything about the money they earn from having the kids on TV on the Duggars. If thos kids earn say $50K each a year from the show, which they easily could have, wouldn't the kids then technically not be dependants of the parents, for tax purposes, even though they are minors? I thought I saw something about that when the IRS talks about having kids with income of their own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 1:47:06 GMT -5
I also would like to know what Doxie thinks is a reasonable standard of living.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 15, 2013 8:38:36 GMT -5
My response to that would also get me banned for life!
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 15, 2013 10:40:20 GMT -5
They would still have to pay property taxes and possibly state income taxes depending on what the allowable deductions are for AR. And they pay the "use" taxes on food & gas and other commodities as they purchase them. Isn't that always the argument when people try to say a certain portion doesn't pay any federal income taxes? They declared themselves a tax-exempt church.
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