Karl Rove trying to spoil the Tea Party

[djAdvocate]

and just when i thought it couldn't get more entertaining.

one nearly irrelevant Republican is trying to rebuild his reputation on the branch of the party that is his undoing.



The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party's efforts to win control of the Senate.

The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.

www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/us/politics/top-gop-donors-seek-greater-say-in-senate-races.html?_r=0

[Virgil Showlion]

I'd point out the sad fact that this 'nearly irrelevant Republican' still has forty times the relevance of any of the candidates you've claimed you'd vote for, which also begs the obvious question of what you find so entertaining.

But you seem to be busy celebrating the predicament of the only non-status-quo political entity not already ejected from the American political sphere, hence I'll leave you to it.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 4, 2013 22:38:18 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I'd point out the sad fact that this 'nearly irrelevant Republican' still has forty times the relevance of any of the candidates you've claimed you'd vote for, which also begs the obvious question of what you find so entertaining.

under what circumstances would you point that out?

But you seem to be busy celebrating the predicament of the only non-status-quo political entity not already ejected from the American political sphere, hence I'll leave you to it.

i am not celebrating anything, Virgil.  i am sick of Rove, candidly.  he wasted a ton of GOP money in the last election.  it is interesting to see him try to reinvent himself as a party savior at this point, when he clearly has no idea of what he is doing.  i actually prefer the Tea Party to his insane antics.  but i guess you missed all of that, eh?

[Virgil Showlion]

but i guess you missed all of that, eh?

I did. I'm not a mind reader, you preface the OP with "just when i thought it couldn't get more entertaining", and the OP is as much or more about the Tea Party as it is about Mr. Rove.

However, for consistency's sake, I am glad to see that you aren't cheering on the Tea Party's demise.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 4, 2013 23:14:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

but i guess you missed all of that, eh?

I did. I'm not a mind reader, you preface the OP with "just when i thought it couldn't get more entertaining", and the OP is as much or more about the Tea Party as it is about Mr. Rove.

precisely.  my point is that Rove screwed up the last election, NOT the Tea Party.  and the result is that HE is irrelevant, and the TP is NOT.

However, for consistency's sake, I am glad to see that you aren't cheering on the Tea Party's demise.

of course not.  i think most of the TP folks have a genuine concern for SOME issues that i care about which is not shared by any other folks in DC.  i wish they would shed the stupid-ass birther nonsense, and lose the social conservatism, as well- but they DO represent my views fairly well in terms of budget and deficit issues- which is actually more than i can say for Rove.

no- what i find entertaining here is that Rove is going after the people that took him down in the last election, and i think he is going to lose.

[usaone]

Should be interesting. This is what happens when you have no leadership. Bumpy few years ahead.

[happyhoix]

Since Karl Rove is no longer manipulating things behind the scenes at the White House, I can enjoy his escapades.

I think his melt down on Fox the night of the election when he kept insisting Ohio hadn't gone for Obama was very entertaining. Like a kid having a tantrum. A big balding kid.

Interesting to see where this will go.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 5, 2013 9:20:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Since Karl Rove is no longer manipulating things behind the scenes at the White House, I can enjoy his escapades.

I think his melt down on Fox the night of the election when he kept insisting Ohio hadn't gone for Obama was very entertaining. Like a kid having a tantrum. A big balding kid.

Interesting to see where this will go.

he wasted SO MUCH GOP money.  any one with any shame would just disappear.  he has none.

[workpublic]

i wish they would shed the stupid-ass birther nonsense, and lose the social conservatism, as well-

TEA Party Taxed Enough Already. nothing about birther or social conservationism

are we talking about the same TEA party or the neocon branch of the repub party? i don't think they are one and the same.

[happyhoix]

Feb 5, 2013 13:33:48 GMT -5 workpublic said:

i wish they would shed the stupid-ass birther nonsense, and lose the social conservatism, as well-

TEA Party Taxed Enough Already. nothing about birther or social conservationism

are we talking about the same TEA party or the neocon branch of the repub party? i don't think they are one and the same.

The TEA party started out as a grass roots movement against higher taxes and a lot of people (including me) supported it, but then when it became popular very conservative politicians (I'm looking at you, Sarah Palin) glommed onto it and diverted it from it's original message, which was a simple one - reduced taxes, smarter spending.

Unfortunately now the TEA party has been infiltrated with the radical conservative elements like the birthers. The original TEA party people ought to drop out and start another movement, one strictly dedicated to fiscal responsibility and nothing else. I'd join it.

[djAdvocate]

huh.  interesting.  i expected a lot stronger voices in support of the TP, here.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 5, 2013 13:33:48 GMT -5 workpublic said:

i wish they would shed the stupid-ass birther nonsense, and lose the social conservatism, as well-

TEA Party Taxed Enough Already. nothing about birther or social conservationism

are we talking about the same TEA party or the neocon branch of the repub party? i don't think they are one and the same.

yes, we are talking about the same TP.  they are a right wing grievance magnet.  when i went to their rallies, they were full of people who had gripes ranging from the lack of strict constitutionalism and small government to the expansion of military interests and social conservatism.  i will agree that the latter two were not present in the beginning, but especially when it came to CANDIDATES, they almost universally had the latter two attributes.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

This thread is already going.  GOP Civil War.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 6, 2013 12:25:27 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

This thread is already going.  GOP Civil War.

i mentioned that in that thread.

[Deleted]

At what point do you say that a party is no longer relevant, let it go and start a party that does represent your beliefs? If anyone was a in a position to do so with the money and experience it would be Karl.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 6, 2013 13:47:20 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

At what point do you say that a party is no longer relevant, let it go and start a party that does represent your beliefs? If anyone was a in a position to do so with the money and experience it would be Karl.

but here is the point- the TP is the most dynamic element in the GOP.  Rove might not like their candidates, but the GOP needs their support.  he really only has two options:

1) he can work with them to create policy that will garner their votes, and have mainstream candidates run on those principles OR
2) he can work against them, alienate them, and hope they don't form a 3rd party.

he seems to have chosen #2, and i think that is conspicuously unwise.

[Value Buy]

Rove is correct about the Tea Party.
It does no good to throw out a sitting Republican in the primaries, for an over the top unelectable in the fall candidate who will lose to a democrat in the fall.
We faced the same thing in my state, Indiana, with Mourdock defeating the Republican incumbantant in the primary only to be decimated by a weak Democrat in the fall, as regular Republicans who did not bother to vote in the spring, had to hold their nose, and vote for an actual Democrat in the fall, to prevent an idiot fpom representing Indiana in the Senate. I had to, and it hurtme deeply.
Many here have criticized the Republican party for acting like lemmings and going with the far right mentality crowd, and yet criticize Rove from trying to save Republicans from running off the proverbial cliff.
I made the same argument in the Republican primaries last year about the over the top contenders in the early primaries who could never win the long primary campaign, let alone have a chance in the fall.

The Tea Party is necessary for the Republican Party, but our members must realize, we have to sometimes compromise with the party to have people nominated who can get elected.
We have to work in little steps, little steps.
A nominee who represents 75% of our sentiments and desires is highly acceptable over losing in the fall to a candidate who represents 25% or less. of our sentiments.
Little steps, little steps......
And, I must say, at the local level the Tea Party saw some success,so now we have to build on that in 2014.
Rome was not built in a day.
America was not brought to it's political knees, in a day and it will take a few decades to rebuild it.