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Post by thyme4change on Oct 31, 2012 12:16:41 GMT -5
Actually, I would like to see the continuation of the story. I am kind of curious as to what happens next. It is like a fictional history book.
I actually liked Episode 3. I liked watch Darth Vadar descend into darkness. I think it could have been done better, but I enjoyed it. It was a great mystery to go through life not really understanding why he was "evil" - so it was great to see the problems that contributed.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 31, 2012 12:17:27 GMT -5
And Carrie fischer would need to lose a hundy before I would see her in any version of that role. Even if she was suppose to be a 60 year old Queen of the Known Universe, or whatever.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 12:22:12 GMT -5
Yes, Ep 3 was definitely the most watchable of the three prequels. But I still think they should branch out from the trio in the future and explore/create other characters and situations. I do like what the animated Clone Wars series has been doing in exploring the many different Jedi and planets/characters all throughout the galaxy.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 12:25:05 GMT -5
Speaking of Episode Three, has anyone else ever seen this? It's a horribly translated pirate version of Revenge of the Sith called "Backstroke of the West". Yes, that's how they translated the title. It all goes downhill from there, and it's truly hilarious!! It's found here: winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.htmlJust be warned, it's occasionally inappropriate for kids (the translators do not always understand that they're using bad words), and you may splurt coffee on your computer screen!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 12:28:16 GMT -5
Episode III was the best of the prequels, I agree. I do also agree it could have been done a bit better. I know you only have so much time in a movie but I felt it leaped ahead a little too fast.
I enjoyed Yoda vs the Emperor. It was great to see him as more than just a wise old sage sitting on a stump.
I also thought the elimination of the Jedi was well done. I'm also glad he explained how Yoda and Obi Wan were able to survive and drop off the radar.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 12:31:34 GMT -5
I agree with you, Drama. And I think the jumping-ahead problem started much earlier than Ep3. I would have ended the first movie with the outbreak of the Clone Wars, set the second during the dark times of war, and then been able to spend much more of the 3rd at the tail end of Vader's turn to the Dark Side and focus on the escape and preservation of his children. Ep3 was better done than the first two, but it was way too rushed. That said, I found the first ~20 minutes of Ep3 alone to be perhaps the best SW movie since Jedi.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 12:36:16 GMT -5
I agree. It was too big of a leap, IMO to go from one minute Anakin was a Jedi to the next he is slaughtering children in the Jedi Temple. That was a little too big of a stretch for me to swallow in two frames.
I enjoyed the ending with Obi Wan riding off into the sunset after dropping off Luke and Bail Organa bringing Leia to his wife. I thought that was a good set up because Episode 4 leaps ahead I think 16 years into the future.
I do consider the lightsaber fight between Anakin and Obi Wan to be one of the best in the series. #1 of course is in Empire.
It would be nice if they did some movies that happen in-between. You could probably do a lot with setting up the Rebellion, hunting the remaining Jedi etc. In fact there are tons of Star Wars books that do just that.
You wouldn't run into fans being pissed because you'd be showing younger Han, Luke and Leia.
Just like the new Star Trek did.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 31, 2012 12:36:20 GMT -5
The last 10 minutes of Epi 2 could have been a whole movie. It was like they were all running around and then there was a 3 second scene where whathisnose and whatzhername got married and boom, over. I was like - what just happened?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 12:38:30 GMT -5
They could have cut a lot out of Episode II. It should have focused more on the Clone Wars and Anakin's relationship with Padme.
It should have been more like Empire, IMO. Empire can't stand well on its own but it is perfect right in the middle and helps propeal the story forward.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 12:45:33 GMT -5
I agree. It was too big of a leap, IMO to go from one minute Anakin was a Jedi to the next he is slaughtering children in the Jedi Temple. That was a little too big of a stretch for me to swallow in two frames. I enjoyed the ending with Obi Wan riding off into the sunset after dropping off Luke and Bail Organa bringing Leia to his wife. I thought that was a good set up because Episode 4 leaps ahead I think 16 years into the future. I do consider the lightsaber fight between Anakin and Obi Wan to be one of the best in the series. #1 of course is in Empire. Yes, yes, and yes. I liked that they included the idea that the little Padawans would have had to die too, but infanticide in a movie is something that really needs a LOT more setup if you're going to pull it off. And I'm a Jedi fan, so the lightsaber stuff was great fun in both Ep2 & 3 and I can always watch those parts again. Just don't ask me to watch Anakin and Padme swooing about their loooooovveee.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 12:51:07 GMT -5
It's painful to watch those two actors together. I think with another actor Natalie Portman could have pulled it off. I am not entirely sure about Hayden Christensen. I had a really hard time swallowing that they were so in love that it could cause Anakin's downfall. The one time I actually "felt" it between the two of them was at the end of Episode III when Anakin pretty much strangles her to death. Then at the end when he was Darth Vader and the Emperor told him she was dead. That was good acting but it wasn't Hayden talking so that made a difference.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 13:04:59 GMT -5
I used to think that Christenson was the biggest problem with that, but looking at all the actors involved, I tend to think now that it was Lucas' direction and writing that got such lousy performances out of people. Natalie Portman won an Oscar. Ewan McGregor is a great actor who I love in nearly everything he's in. Sam Jackson should have been greatness wrapped in a cloak of awesomeness. Looking at the pattern of boring performances, it seems like one key person really knew how to fail to get anything out of good actors. The pattern started with the first 3 movies too, in that the most real and moving emotions of the whole original trilogy were in Empire, which was mostly written and directed by other people than Lucas.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 13:11:13 GMT -5
You might be right, I didn't think of it like that. I think Ewan McGreggor did a fantastic job. I could totally see him growing into Sir Alec Guiness as he ages. He is one of the few that I felt really did a good job. I think Samuel Jackson got shortchanged. What a shitty ending for Mace Windu. They could have at least played it out a little more.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 13:17:58 GMT -5
Oh, Ewan was my favorite part of the prequels! And in a way, I came to see the whole saga not as the story of Anakin Skywalker, but, oddly, more the story of Obi-Wan Kenobi. From a Padawan to a teacher who is betrayed by the student he thought of as a brother, but who eventually goes on to redeem himself by bringing out the new generation of Jedi. I found his story, strangely, more interesting. But maybe that's just me and my fondness for Ewan McGregor. And yeah, Sam Jackson and his purple lightsaber deserved better.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 13:24:21 GMT -5
I found a lot of the side characters more interesting than Anakin. It was really bad writing. The whole premise is supposed to be about Anakin's downfall and the movies fell flat when it comes to that.
Episode III redeemed the prequels a towards the end, but I had to endure the first two movies to get there.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 13:29:50 GMT -5
I found a lot of the side characters more interesting than Anakin. It was really bad writing. The whole premise is supposed to be about Anakin's downfall and the movies fell flat when it comes to that. Agreed. When X-Men First Class came out, for me it really hit home how badly the prequels had failed to give Vader what he deserved. Because while watching First Class, I knew exactly what was going to happen to Erik Lehnsherr, but I still desperately wanted him to make a different choice, and I cried a little when he finally went bad. And his fall made sense. And it made me so sad. Even though I already knew it would happen, I was devastated when it did. But Anakin's fall to the Dark Side didn't make me feel anything of those things. It was too hollow.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 31, 2012 13:33:45 GMT -5
It was too fast too. I couldn't wrap my brain around how he was a Jedi two frames ago and now he is killing kids. WTF?
I liked the Emperor's story way better. You could feel from Episode I that there was something not quite right about the Senator.
Of course it probably helps he played the Emperor since we first met him in Empire Strikes Back. The guy that played him said it was interesting to go backwards with the character and develop his backstory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 15:32:16 GMT -5
if they change the actors, I don't see how they can pull it off....I mean Ben Afleck as Han Solo? Maybe......but who is going to replace Jabba the Hut? I don't think they will find someone else that big that looks like that very easily..........
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 31, 2012 15:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah, 1-3 kind of ruined Anakin/Darth Vader's character, and don't get me started on Jar Jar . They should have made Anakan's descent to the dark side much slower and more dynamic. Not some whiny brat in episodes 2 and 3 and then literally goes from full Jedi to full sith in like 5 minutes. I feel like episode one was a total waste of a movie. They really don't accomplish much with it except introduce a few characters. I don't know. I think it might be good when George doesn't have full control. Empire shows that the series is at it's best when Lucas turns over the writing and directing to more capable people. And yeah, I was wondering about the actors too. I can't see Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammil reviving their old roles. Them and Ford are getting on in years. Though I could maybe see Ford doing a much older Solo. And it's hard to imagine someone else playing them, especially someone else as Han Solo.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 15:43:06 GMT -5
if they change the actors, I don't see how they can pull it off....I mean Ben Afleck as Han Solo? Nooooo! Nathan Fillion! Han is more than just a pretty face.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 31, 2012 15:44:01 GMT -5
if they change the actors, I don't see how they can pull it off....I mean Ben Afleck as Han Solo? Maybe......but who is going to replace Jabba the Hut? I don't think they will find someone else that big that looks like that very easily.......... I thought Jabba the Hut was killed in Return of the Jedi? And all future hutts will probably be CG anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 15:46:17 GMT -5
if they change the actors, I don't see how they can pull it off....I mean Ben Afleck as Han Solo? Maybe......but who is going to replace Jabba the Hut? I don't think they will find someone else that big that looks like that very easily.......... I thought Jabba the Hut was killed in Return of the Jedi? And all future hutts will probably be CG anyway. CG? Blasphemy
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 31, 2012 15:48:33 GMT -5
"CG? Blasphemy"
You're preeching to the Choir. I miss the old animitronics and costume work they used to do. CG is okay for some things, but it's kind of hard to replace the work of a real craftsman.
I feel the same way about animation too. I don't like that every animated movie now is CG. I liked the old ones when they were actually drawn by hand by real artists.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 31, 2012 15:49:50 GMT -5
Puppets rule! ;D
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Post by Driftr on Oct 31, 2012 15:54:53 GMT -5
if they change the actors, I don't see how they can pull it off....I mean Ben Afleck as Han Solo? Nooooo! Nathan Fillion! Han is more than just a pretty face. That would work for me. I know I'll be at the theatre to see them just like the last six. No, the second three weren't up to the standards set by the first three, but I still have a soft spot in my heart for anything Star Wars related.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 31, 2012 15:56:12 GMT -5
I thought Disney did a pretty good job with the Tron Sequel.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 31, 2012 15:57:28 GMT -5
I feel like Disney is going to dominate our entertainment options. Is there a day when we will see a movie that doesn't have Disney involved in it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 16:04:17 GMT -5
and so what is Jabba is dead....riddle me this- where are they going to find a green crusty old midget to play the new version of Yoda? Do you know how hard it was for them to find the first actor that played yoda? not that many people have green skin you know? (the Hulk is to big to play the part, Oscar the Grouch might work but he's on the hollywood black list due to being too grumpy and stinky.....hmmm, maybe Kermit? this could be the re-birth of his career.....
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Post by Bob Ross on Oct 31, 2012 16:24:40 GMT -5
I'm just wondering what sort of racial slurrific replacement Disney will come up with for Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 31, 2012 17:00:36 GMT -5
and so what is Jabba is dead....riddle me this- where are they going to find a green crusty old midget to play the new version of Yoda? Do you know how hard it was for them to find the first actor that played yoda? not that many people have green skin you know? (the Hulk is to big to play the part, Oscar the Grouch might work but he's on the hollywood black list due to being too grumpy and stinky.....hmmm, maybe Kermit? this could be the re-birth of his career..... Ummmm couldn't you just get a little person who was white, and then when he needed to be on set make him smell something terrible? I'm pretty sure when people on television smell something terrible they turn green as they get nauseous. Also, fyi, Yoda died in Return of the Jedi.
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