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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 29, 2012 13:44:53 GMT -5
Nobody runs the world. Various groups run different countries, but nobody runs the whole enchilada. You think African warlords give a shit what some rich white American wants him to do?
Our country is pretty much run by the rich.
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Post by midjd on Oct 29, 2012 13:50:32 GMT -5
Lobbyists.
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Post by midjd on Oct 29, 2012 13:53:55 GMT -5
Rich people, I suppose...
The cycle I see is - the lobbyist writes a law, gives it to his congressperson, congressperson curries favors to get the law passed, and they vote it in. Often it seems no one but the lobbyist has actually read the law (or talked to someone to see what the possible implications would be).
Or there's the congressperson from a small district who decides we have to pass a law outlawing buckets because his friend's sister's nephew fell in a bucket and drowned.
But yes, most national-level policy seems to be created by the very, very rich.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:01:40 GMT -5
I'm going to borrow a line from The Zen of Motorcycle Maintnenance...which world? We all live in our own world's based on our family, interests and jobs. A lot of laws or technology really has a very small impact on my world. For many things, if it wasn't for media or gossip I wouldn't even know something had happened. Right now my daughter runs my world.
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 29, 2012 14:12:03 GMT -5
The Rothchilds run the world!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:19:06 GMT -5
Hated that book. I thought the guy who wrote it was the biggest narcissist. He thought, after his son died, the one in the book, that his next son was the first son reincarnated. What a way to dismiss a person. You're not even you, you're him. I found it a hard read, but I always remembered the different worlds part. It explains so much for me.
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Post by justme on Oct 29, 2012 14:22:06 GMT -5
I think Beyonce had a song about this...
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 29, 2012 14:31:50 GMT -5
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Is The Hand That Rules The World
Blessings on the hand of women! Angels guard its strength and grace, In the palace, cottage, hovel, Oh, no matter where the place; Would that never storms assailed it, Rainbows ever gently curled; For the hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world.
Infancy's the tender fountain, Power may with beauty flow, Mother's first to guide the streamlets, From them souls unresting grow-- Grow on for the good or evil, Sunshine streamed or evil hurled; For the hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world.
Woman, how divine your mission Here upon our natal sod! Keep, oh, keep the young heart open Always to the breath of God! All true trophies of the ages Are from mother-love impearled; For the hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world.
Blessings on the hand of women! Fathers, sons, and daughters cry, And the sacred song is mingled With the worship in the sky-- Mingles where no tempest darkens, Rainbows evermore are hurled; For the hand that rocks the cradle Is the hand that rules the world.
William Ross Wallace
So, basically, June Shannon
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Post by milee on Oct 29, 2012 14:41:42 GMT -5
No one person or group does. It's way more complicated than could ever be ruled by that simple or direct a group.
As for the idea that the wealthy have some sort of automatic "in" that others don't, that's not exactly how it works. Sure, there are wealthy, influential people, but there are also plenty of other wealthy people that don't have any more access than non-wealthy. I guess if you were wealthy and determined to have access, you could use a lot of your wealth and do so, but most of the wealthy people I know and have worked with (and one of my former clients was $400+ million wealthy) either aren't interested enough to spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars and time it would take to gain access. To really buy yourself access, you're talking way richer than the fabled 1%.
It's not like once you reach the 1% income level, you get a special backstage pass...
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Post by midjd on Oct 29, 2012 14:47:38 GMT -5
True. That level of power is equal parts money and connections, I think... though many successful people have both. Or the person with money finds the person with the connections and they form a diabolical team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:50:08 GMT -5
True. That level of power is equal parts money and connections, I think... though many successful people have both. Or the person with money finds the person with the connections and they form a diabolical team. mid, again. ;D
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Post by rileyoday on Oct 29, 2012 14:57:16 GMT -5
This country is ruled by the people who put together the Lehman Brothers / Bear Sterns bailout in a short period of time with the public barely knowing or understanding what was happening. Including the senators and reps.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:59:20 GMT -5
This country is ruled by the people who put together the Lehman Brothers / Bear Sterns bailout in a short period of time with the public barely knowing or understanding what was happening. Including the senators and reps. With, lobbyists influences.
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Post by midjd on Oct 29, 2012 15:05:36 GMT -5
Lobbyists! ;D
Lobbyists for whom, I'm not sure... but if you follow the money, that may tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 15:11:55 GMT -5
Lauryn Hill
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 15:18:57 GMT -5
This country is ruled by the people who put together the Lehman Brothers / Bear Sterns bailout in a short period of time with the public barely knowing or understanding what was happening. Including the senators and reps. I think Riley has the answer. Who are those people? steve, You know them, already. Why ask.
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Post by milee on Oct 30, 2012 11:39:53 GMT -5
You may be right. You certainly are right about the idea that there are groups (and even a few individuals) with tremendous power and wealth. I think the thing that keeps things in overall balance, though is the fact that none of them agree on everything, and all have big enough egos that they don't exactly take kindly when others - even powerful others - tell them to do something.
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Post by Opti on Oct 30, 2012 12:00:21 GMT -5
As an observer it appears Goldman Sachs tells most people what to do or just doesn't listen. I think Goldman will stomp on any government they can and has lots of strings to pull in the federal government. Not everyone can be bought so sometimes the powerful lose at least temporarily. I liked Mid's and Dark's answers the best. There people like the Dali Lama, Mother Teresa, and the Pope that get things done. Not all powerful and rich people are greedy. When something gets out of control whether it is the financial industry or in years past industry titans we as a collective notice. Hence laws against monopolies, CDS financial regs still to come. Gaia currently isn't run by anyone.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 30, 2012 12:00:52 GMT -5
If all would realize their power, women [could] rule the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 16:11:29 GMT -5
The trilateral commission, the illuminati, the Masons and you and me...everyone else is a puppet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 8:46:30 GMT -5
If all would realize their power, women [could] rule the world. There is always great woman behind great man. Most of the times anyway.... It can be a great Mom too. K for the deep thinking. ;D
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