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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 11:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 11:14:47 GMT -5
note: just for reference......
when Obama took office in 2009, this number was about -30. it reached a peak of ZERO in 2009. in 2010, during the midterm elections, it was -34. on October 15th, 2011, it reached it's nadir of -60 (this is the one stretch where Romney actually lead Obama in head to head polling). from January to August, the figure was roughly -30. it now stands at -16, the best level since the fall of 2009.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 11:16:13 GMT -5
No, people are just settling into the "new normal" of $5 gallon gas, job losses and downsizing their expectations in life for themselves and their children.  |
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Sept 19, 2012 11:18:52 GMT -5
No, people are just settling into the "new normal" of $5 gallon gas, job losses and downsizing their expectations in life for themselves and their children.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 11:20:03 GMT -5
No, people are just settling into the "new normal" of $5 gallon gas, job losses and downsizing their expectations in life for themselves and their children. possible. so, what do you think the implications are for this? |
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Post by Driftr on Sept 19, 2012 11:21:34 GMT -5
No, people are just settling into the "new normal" of $5 gallon gas, job losses and downsizing their expectations in life for themselves and their children. possible. so, what do you think the implications are for this? New record low voting % would be my guess. |
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Post by TonyTiger on Sept 19, 2012 11:23:44 GMT -5
I've just looked briefly at the graphs, DJ, and am not impressed... I am not the most skilled person in the world when it comes to taking substance away from quick snap-shot graphs so I may very well be missing something that is more visible or obvious to others, but my own first-glance 'take' is that if we go solely by such numbers, they bode ill for Fearless Leader and better for any Challenger... but - most unscientific of me - I don't put much stock in such things, once folks close the curtain behind them in the polling booth... and, of course, Mitt's now infamous 47-Percent Gaffe isn't factored into the mix for those numbers...
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by TonyTiger on Sept 19, 2012 11:34:08 GMT -5
Coming from a Centrist who is probably going to hold his nose and vote for Obama ( just so you understand that I'm not a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth Hopey-Changey Obamite when I say this)... It must be nice for the Dems having a Challenger who so blithely and willingly put his own foot into his own mouth by uttering such words... I'm not really comfortable siding with the Dems on this one, WorkPublic, but the situation is what it is... Mitt shot himself in the foot... and gave the less-advantaged element of the general population a most revealing and distasteful glimpse into his mind on the subject... David Letterman isn't to blame... Mitt Romney is to blame... As much as I regret having to say it... It is, what it is...  |
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:36:08 GMT -5
oh i agree. i'm voting for johnson now. i'm getting sick of seeing an obama on letterman so frequently though.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 19, 2012 11:42:11 GMT -5
Must be nice for Republicans to have Sarah Palin in their pocket. Oh, wait.......
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Post by cme1201 on Sept 19, 2012 11:45:30 GMT -5
Must be nice for Republicans to have Sarah Palin in their pocket. Oh, wait....... Really this is the best you can come up with? Eastwood - Rush - Hannity and you pick a non celebrity as Palin. One way thought there Weltz |
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:46:44 GMT -5
what time and channel is late night with sarah palin on? i'd rather watch howard stern.  |
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:52:03 GMT -5
It must be nice for the Dems having a Challenger who so blithely and willingly put his own foot into his own mouth by uttering such words...
yes and then the next day, a national network show devoted entirely to bashing him.
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:55:53 GMT -5
i'm still on the fence as to who will ruin my standard of living more and faster; the government and the poor or the corporations and the rich.  both seem hell bent on those of us who aren't quite poor enough and those of us who aren't quite rich enough  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 11:57:10 GMT -5
it makes for good entertainment, you have to admit. especially when Mitt stands by it. it doesn't get much better than this.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 11:59:03 GMT -5
I've just looked briefly at the graphs, DJ, and am not impressed... I am not the most skilled person in the world when it comes to taking substance away from quick snap-shot graphs so I may very well be missing something that is more visible or obvious to others, but my own first-glance 'take' is that if we go solely by such numbers, they bode ill for Fearless Leader and better for any Challenger... but - most unscientific of me - I don't put much stock in such things, once folks close the curtain behind them in the polling booth... and, of course, Mitt's now infamous 47-Percent Gaffe isn't factored into the mix for those numbers... i watch this number really closely, and i think it will influence the polling data. i am betting that Obama will be about +4 in two weeks. he is +2.7% now. it is not a HUGE influencing factor. but every 10% change in this difference TENDS to put about 1% in the approval rating for the president. and his approval rating bears this out. it is getting to very near 50%, as of this morning. |
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 11:59:55 GMT -5
mitt's looking like more of an out of touch greed classer than bush was. ;D
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 12:01:27 GMT -5
dj, thanks for putting johnson on my radar.  |
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Post by TonyTiger on Sept 19, 2012 12:04:49 GMT -5
It must be nice for the Dems having a Challenger who so blithely and willingly put his own foot into his own mouth by uttering such words... yes and then the next day, a national network show devoted entirely to bashing him. ![]() blocked due to malware/--OFo3kMp46E/TfthsNVZgKI/AAAAAAAAADU/EhLKVQb6Vps/s1600/Karate9.jpg[/img] Daniel: "Mister Myagi, what's the best way to block a punch?" Myagi: "Ah, Daniel-san, best defense, no be there." ======================================= Romney: "Mister Myagi, what's the best way to prevent a media feeding frenzy over an embarrassing and revealing and intentional verbal gaffe?" Myagi: "Ah, Mitt-san, best defense, no make gaffe - no say words." ======================================= I dunno what else to say about that one, Work... |
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Post by Driftr on Sept 19, 2012 12:05:08 GMT -5
dj, thanks for putting johnson on my radar. Why? Please tell me it's for social reasons and not his BS fiscal conservative record. |
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Post by TonyTiger on Sept 19, 2012 12:06:20 GMT -5
I've just looked briefly at the graphs, DJ, and am not impressed... I am not the most skilled person in the world when it comes to taking substance away from quick snap-shot graphs so I may very well be missing something that is more visible or obvious to others, but my own first-glance 'take' is that if we go solely by such numbers, they bode ill for Fearless Leader and better for any Challenger... but - most unscientific of me - I don't put much stock in such things, once folks close the curtain behind them in the polling booth... and, of course, Mitt's now infamous 47-Percent Gaffe isn't factored into the mix for those numbers... i watch this number really closely, and i think it will influence the polling data. i am betting that Obama will be about +4 in two weeks. he is +2.7% now. it is not a HUGE influencing factor. but every 10% change in this difference TENDS to put about 1% in the approval rating for the president. and his approval rating bears this out. it is getting to very near 50%, as of this morning. I'd put a tickler in your electronic calendar to come back and revisit this one after election day, once the supporting data comes in... I'll be curious to see whether this one holds up under the Practicality Test... it might... |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 19, 2012 12:09:26 GMT -5
It must be nice for the Dems having a Challenger who so blithely and willingly put his own foot into his own mouth by uttering such words...
yes and then the next day, a national network show devoted entirely to bashing him. doing their jobsFixed...
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 12:20:00 GMT -5
i watch this number really closely, and i think it will influence the polling data. i am betting that Obama will be about +4 in two weeks. he is +2.7% now. it is not a HUGE influencing factor. but every 10% change in this difference TENDS to put about 1% in the approval rating for the president. and his approval rating bears this out. it is getting to very near 50%, as of this morning. I'd put a tickler in your electronic calendar to come back and revisit this one after election day, once the supporting data comes in... I'll be curious to see whether this one holds up under the Practicality Test... it might... even if the data seems to reflect what i just said, it doesn't mean i was right. i might just be lucky. there are about half a dozen key events for BOTH campaigns still to come. over half of them are the debates. i doubt it will change the outcome. these "events" are generally carefully manicured to not shake things up. but Romney is also pretty clearly desperate to shake things up, so you never can tell. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 19, 2012 12:20:31 GMT -5
dj, thanks for putting johnson on my radar. Why? Please tell me it's for social reasons and not his BS fiscal conservative record. i still need to review that, Driftr. thanks for reminding me. |
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 12:23:28 GMT -5
yes and then the next day, a national network show devoted entirely to bashing him. doing their jobs Fixed... where are the national network shows that "do their jobs" when democrats screw up? |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 19, 2012 12:25:15 GMT -5
where are the national network shows that "do their jobs" when democrats screw up?
Out their bashing them for it.
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Post by workpublic on Sept 19, 2012 12:30:17 GMT -5
can you provide some examples?
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Post by Driftr on Sept 19, 2012 12:37:40 GMT -5
Why? Please tell me it's for social reasons and not his BS fiscal conservative record. i still need to review that, Driftr. thanks for reminding me. Ha. I really thought you'd done it by now and your failure to counter the claims by Denninger were your acceptance. Now I understand why you didn't come back at me when I mentioned 'leading a horse to water' when we were talking about how frustrating it is when people lock onto 'their guy'. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 19, 2012 12:40:05 GMT -5
can you provide some examples? Where were you during the Clinton impeachment, the Obama "clinging to their guns", and every time Biden makes a gaffe? That's just off the top of my head. I expect the press to cover the dumb things politicians say and do. All of them. |
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