CÃ schóól counselor taped student sex

[moon/Laura]

www.cnn.com/2012/03/21/justice/california-school-counselor/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

A drug counselor at California high school pleaded not guilty Wednesday to secretly videotaping students engaged in sexual activity with each other, and to possessing child pornography

Further in the story, it says:

The videos are of teenage students engaged in sexual activity with each other within Olivares' office, during school hours," the statement says. "It appears the videos were taken without the knowledge of the victim students and Olivares is not in the room at the time.

How does this even happen?! How and why is there more than one student in his office to begin with? There is a lot missing from this story, I'd say!

[Jaguar]

Holy Shit yes there's a hell of a lot missing from this story.

[dianartemis]

I know a nice, toasty corner of hell for this person.

[moon/Laura]

while i agree that the kids weren't using common sense / good judgement, the blame rests on the counselor, in my opinion. there should never have been a video camera there, period- not in an office. i believe there's a very good chance that the guy lured or encouraged them in some fashion.

[moon/Laura]

the story even says the students didn't know they were being taped, so that right there says that it was a hidden camera vs a security one out in the open.

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Mar 21, 2012 20:34:06 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

while i agree that the kids weren't using common sense / good judgement, the blame rests on the counselor, in my opinion. there should never have been a video camera there, period. i believe there's a very good chance that the guy lured or encouraged them in some fashion.

That's just what I was thinking - the kids may have even been bribed to do it (cash/good grades/booze/drugs - whatever).

[moon/Laura]

the adult has to be above reproach .. because at that age, kids won't be. students should be able to look up to and trust the staff!

that is why i feel HE is to blame, even though the students were not innocent. you should not engage in sexual activity (more than kissing) on school grounds, but they certainly have a right to expect they're not being taped, especially by a person in a position of trust.

[moon/Laura]

agreed Rick . but MORE for the adult - who is in a position of trust. given he also had child porn, the video tape was clearly not meant as security.

[Jaguar]

Mar 21, 2012 21:23:08 GMT -5 @insurancegal said:

I tend to work based on fact: Biologically, our brains are not fully developed until the age of 21 or so. The primary fault lies on the adult in this case. Shame on him.

Yeah there is an area of the brain that is not fully developed until early twenties. I believe it's in the frontal cortex.

[toomuchreality]

I can't believe the guy is a school counselor!
The kind of job that has you working directly with kids every day, without being questioned.

UGH!

[Miss Tequila]

Rick...did you even read the article? they found dozens of pictures and videos depicting child pornography from his home computer of children that do not even go to his school. The guy is a sicko and does not belong working around children......

[beags]

I am going to post some quotes from the article before I comment.


Olivares' attorney, Andrew G. Liu, said he could not comment on specifics of the charges and his client's stance.

"We are at a very early stage," Liu told CNN. "I have just received 71 pages of police reports and I have not had time to review them yet."


Olivares was first arrested last week at Salinas High School, initially on 11 charges, according to authorities.

The criminal complaint alleges Olivares inappropriately touched the buttocks of a 14-year-old, identified as John Doe. The two allegedly also had conversations via Facebook.

On further investigation of items seized from the counselor's home, detectives found 14 videos made by Olivares in his office at the high school, police said in a statement.

"The videos are of teenage students engaged in sexual activity with each other within Olivares' office, during school hours," the statement says. "It appears the videos were taken without the knowledge of the victim students and Olivares is not in the room at the time. We continue to work closely with Salinas High School to help identify any possible victims in these cases."

Police said the forensic search of Olivares' computer also yielded dozens of pictures and videos depicting child pornography. They are not believed to depict children who attended the school and were probably downloaded from the Internet, police said.

Olivares is employed by an organization that counsels youth on drug and alcohol abuse, police said. Although he worked as a counselor at Salinas High School for five years, he was not an employee of the school district.

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Mar 21, 2012 21:17:04 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

agreed Rick . but MORE for the adult - who is in a position of trust. given he also had child porn, the video tape was clearly not meant as security.

[beags]

What this guy did was wrong on so many levels. I just am not going to go into it. Sexually touching a 14 yr old girl and video taping is wrong.


NOW I will get into the remarks people here have made about the children. The children aren't responsible for their actions because of raging horomones? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!!! I had raging horomones at that age also, but I would have never had sex with another student in a councelors office.

The children didn't know they were being taped? Give me a break . . .even the students at our school know that there are cameras everywhere except the restrooms . . yes, that would include the guidance, principal, vice principal, hallways, classrooms, etc. They don't see the cameras, but they know they are there. So did these students, there's no doubt in my mind about that.

You are also dealing with irresponsible students in the first place, he is a drug and alcohol councelor, that means these students at age 14 already have drug and alcohol problems.

Those students are indeed responsible for their own actions . . you can make up whatever excuse you want. . . but to say they didn't know what they were doing due to raging horomones or whatever else is just plain wrong. ARe you all involved with any kids this age? (not sexually, but do you teach them, do you volunteer at your school, chaperone field trips, things like that?) These kids know it's wrong to have sex in a school office or anywhere on school property.

Don't make excuses for kids having sex with each other. They KNOW what they are doing.



As for the guidance councelor . . he very well my have put them up to it . . . who knows . . and that was wrong . . and it was wrong for him to film it. He deserves everything the law is going to throw at him. He is dealing with volunerable children with addictions . . he took advantage of it. . . . and he also knew better. He is more to blame than the children. (but the children do have some blame for having sex with each other on school property.)

I don't even want to get into child molestation because that happened here as well. When it comes to an adult going after and innapropriately touching a child . .. that is wrong and the child is not to blame. Many children are afraid of adults in authority and the situation. So if he had sex with any of them . . . . they should . . . . well I will get banned if I say what they should do to him.


As far as them having sex with each other . . (meaning a 14 yr old having sex with another 14 year old . .. I'm sorry, both those kids need to take blame)

The only way I would say the kids were innocent was if this man threatened them somehow. Again, children are afraid of the power a councelor, or anyone in authority has. They don't know what this guy will do if they say no. In the same respect, that would be evident on tape also . . if the children were frightened into it. (you can just tell . . the movements and everything is different from when one is forced to . . even with one their own age . . . and when they want to.)

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As for the guidance councelor . . he very well my have put them up to it . . . who knows . . and that was wrong . . and it was wrong for him to film it. He deserves everything the law is going to throw at him. He is dealing with volunerable children with addictions . . he took advantage of it. . . . and he also knew better. He is more to blame than the children. (but the children do have some blame for having sex with each other on school property.)

It's just more proof that there HAS to be more thorough screening and background checks done on anyone who is going to be working with minors - whether it's teaching, counselling, mentoring, or youth social groups (eg: Scouts, etc etc)

[Wisconsin Beth]

Isn't this the school district that just reassigned a large number of teachers because of sex abuse charges?

[Peace Of Mind]

The counselor is a pervert and the kids are stupid. There are tons of other places to have sex than a class room.

[beags]

This explains why California is at the bottom of the pool for education. I believe they rank 48 out of 50 states, if they aren't now at 50. Poor regulation, no background checks . . it's horrible . . they simply don't care.

We had a student transfer to our state (and area) from California . . . they put him back one grade AND tutored him so he could catch up to the grade he was put in.

SAD . . . . .. . . California officials should be ashamed.