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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 9:53:13 GMT -5
I came up with 13.39 tons which is pretty good for someone who flies as much as I do, but that calculator was kinda lame when it came to the last couple of tabs. Somehow I produce more carbon because I have a bank account (um, no). And I see they promote the lies that organic and local produce are somehow less carbon intensive.
I don't think it even asked my weight, gender, and level of exercise, which are important.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 9:54:52 GMT -5
I don't trust an online calculator, I want real numbers, based on local conditions. We need to get to the nitty gritty, just how energy efficient is the office building you work in?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 16, 2012 10:02:10 GMT -5
I don't trust an online calculator, I want real numbers, based on local conditions. We need to get to the nitty gritty, just how energy efficient is the office building you work in? We are a green building company, energy efficiency is what we do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 10:07:54 GMT -5
I don't trust an online calculator, I want real numbers, based on local conditions. We need to get to the nitty gritty, just how energy efficient is the office building you work in? We are a green building company, energy efficiency is what we do. Yeah sure it is.... Green buildings have been shown to consume as much energy as normal buildings. www.green-buildings.com/content/78357-henry-gifford
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2012 10:14:34 GMT -5
I don't trust an online calculator, I want real numbers, based on local conditions. We need to get to the nitty gritty, just how energy efficient is the office building you work in? That calculator gave me a carbon footprint of 18.05 metric tons of CO2. Some, such as the electric usage, is likely way off. DW takes care of the electric bill so I really don't have a clue about our kwh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 10:25:54 GMT -5
"DW takes care of the electric bill so I really don't have a clue about our kwh." If you cared about the environment, you would.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2012 10:40:58 GMT -5
"DW takes care of the electric bill so I really don't have a clue about our kwh." If you cared about the environment, you would. I flip the switch. Lights come on. I care. The bill comes in. We have the money to pay it. I care.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 16, 2012 10:57:19 GMT -5
And LED's have been shown to consume as much energy as incandescents.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2012 10:59:47 GMT -5
And LED's have been shown to consume as much energy as incandescents. hahahahaha. we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 11:07:30 GMT -5
And LED's have been shown to consume as much energy as incandescents. I provided a source, you provided an emoticon, you obviously are correct, you sir, win the internet. And I mentioned nothing about lighting... If you would like to talk, lets start with the fact that most LEED buildings attempt to get the day lighting credit. To do this the buildings typically are built with an elongated rectangular profile, so most spaces are not far from windows. Guess what's not energy efficient in a building? Windows and walls, and the standard just made it so you added a bunch of them. But I'm sure you know so much about LEED that you will stand back and wow me now.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 16, 2012 11:12:23 GMT -5
And LED's have been shown to consume as much energy as incandescents. I provided a source, you provided an emoticon, you obviously are correct, you sir, win the internet. No you didn't- you provided a link to a discussion of a leed critic by the industry- maybe that counts as a source in your world.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 16, 2012 11:23:04 GMT -5
Great- another link to the same guy. How is he on climate change? This just in- energy star ratings are BS, MPG ratings are BS, green engineers are BS,- and trust me Bob said so. www.bobsaysso.com
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2012 11:31:56 GMT -5
But I'm sure you know so much about LEED that you will stand back and wow me now. good luck with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 11:32:05 GMT -5
Great- another link to the same guy. How is he on climate change? This just in- energy star ratings are BS, MPG ratings are BS, green engineers are BS,- and trust me Bob said so. www.bobsaysso.com Hahahahahahahaha, I bet you didn't even know what goes into energy star ratings for buildings before writing that. The ratings for buildings are based on averages of all buildings entered into the database, it's a moving target....hahahahahaha. Read the god damned article, the only data we have is LEEDs own data which is shown to be very skewed.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 16, 2012 11:42:51 GMT -5
So what you are you actually claiming- that there is no such thing as a green building or that some are mislabeled due to the criteria? The former goes against common sense and the latter from what I can tell is based on one persons opinion- one not qualified at that.
Maybe some aren't really green- but as your first link states the people behind LEED need to defend it against critics no matter who they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 11:48:27 GMT -5
Go do some reading about LEED and let me know when you the light bulb goes one, if you are the uninformed as to what LEED criteria requires then I really am wasting my time even responding.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 16, 2012 11:49:20 GMT -5
You know, there are so many other rational arguments for conservation and developing renewable energy sources--energy independence, haivng multiple sources of energy providing a bakup plan, not giving money to our enemies. I don't understand why environmentalists are so reluctant to use the arguments that will work on folks outside their little circle.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 16, 2012 11:52:37 GMT -5
You know, there are so many other rational arguments for conservation and developing renewable energy sources--energy independence, haivng multiple sources of energy providing a bakup plan, not giving money to our enemies. I don't understand why environmentalists are so reluctant to use the arguments that will work on folks outside their little circle. It is quite simple. Saul Alinsky taught that it is not the issue that is the issue. The issue is really a distraction. The main goal is revolution and takeover.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 16, 2012 11:54:16 GMT -5
Great- another link to the same guy. How is he on climate change? This just in- energy star ratings are BS, MPG ratings are BS, green engineers are BS,- and trust me Bob said so. www.bobsaysso.com Hahahahahahahaha, I bet you didn't even know what goes into energy star ratings for buildings before writing that. The ratings for buildings are based on averages of all buildings entered into the database, it's a moving target....hahahahahaha. Read the god damned article, the only data we have is LEEDs own data which is shown to be very skewed. The public helps shape LEED programs. Third Public Comment Period for Update to USGBC’s LEED Green Building Program to Open Next Month LEED 2012 draft focuses on providing a simple-to-use, technically advanced and more robust system www.usgbc.org/Docs/News/LEED%202012.pdfWhat LEED Measures www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CMSPageID=1989What is LEED en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_in_Energy_and_Environmental_DesignLEED has helped us move from using questionable drywall from China to using more local Gypsum which is more sustainable. Most LEED projects make it so that regional suppliers and manufactures are given higher consideration for local preference. LEED has been very helpful in making sure that Water Intrusion is limited in both commercial and residential projects. Redefining how EIFS (Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems) is applied and how the substrate is protected from moisture. (for those who do not know EIFS is a synthetic stucco that is applied over a foam board that is used to bring energy ratings down lower than a traditional 5/8" to 3/4" stucco could ever hope to achieve. EIFS applications can be anywhere from 3/4" Foam up to 6" meaning a walls r-value (thermal resistance) can increase by R9 up R55, translating into savings from thermal draft at wall joints, drywall joints or simple thermal seepage)
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 16, 2012 13:11:05 GMT -5
"It is quite simple. Saul Alenski taught that it is not the issue that is the issue. The issue is really a distraction. The main goal is revolution and takeover."
I find this somewhat disturbing. I start a thread, hardly comment or counter different points of view, and before page 2, I seem to have joined the company of revolutionaries who are trying to take over! My point on all this is simple. Follow the money. In whose best interest is it that climate change be denied. Answer: Industry...who are financing the reeducation on the subject. I find that about as credible as inviting Colombian drug lords to finance drug education for kids in high school.
And, though it is really nobodies business, I have reduced my carbon footprint. The house I live in is half the size of the one I lived in in the 1990's. Whenever possible, I now drive my 2 cylinder motorcycle, instead of my 8 cylinder Cadillac.I have replaced virtually all of my appliances with Energy Star appliances. I now fly only about one round trip per year. I recycle all plastics and cans. I make it a practice to buy items made from recycled materials, if possible. Unfortunately, I have to drink bottled water, though, because I live next to one of the nation's largest copper mines, and they have created an underground "acid bloom" that has made our water all but undrinkable. They Are not done, though. They are seeking approval from the EPA to poison the water on the other side of the valley, as well...they want to build the Rosemont Mine over there.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 16, 2012 13:37:22 GMT -5
There's a lot of money to be followed on both sides of this debate. Al Gore, who lives in an energy hog of a mansion, has made himself a rich man proclaiming the climate change gosple, as have many others. Replacing all your appliances with Energy Star equivalents has fed all kinds of industries, and in many cases, buying a new appliance to replace a perfectly functional old appliance will cause more energy use than what you'd be saving. For example, my car gets around 25 miles to the gallon, but it is 13 years old. Not buying a new car 5 years ago has saved way more energy in the past 5 years than I would have saved buying a new car, especially since I have a 3 mile commute and only buy gas once or twice a month.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 16, 2012 13:45:19 GMT -5
Come on, Former, must I actually state that I replace my appliances when they wear out? I would think that would go without saying. I just make sure that I replace them with the most energy efficient ones possible.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 16, 2012 13:55:19 GMT -5
Yes, you might, but plenty of other people use energy efficiency as an excuse to keep up with the Jones. And while you may walk the walk, most environmentalists I know don't.
And again, there is plenty of money to be made on both sides of this debate. For example, when you regulate an industry into oblivion and put a lot of people out of work, you end up with a lot more folks on various forms of welfare. This employs all kinds of people in all kinds of industries, from slum landlords, to social workers. And since people on welfare are more likely to vote Democrat, you can cause a huge change in the political landscape simply by 'being green'. Do I think all environmentalists want a welfare state? No. But is it possible that some of those who do want a welfare state may use environmentalism to get it? Yes, they'd be fools not to use such an effective tool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 14:06:24 GMT -5
"we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A "
That's because LEDs shine down while HIDs shine in every direction. So LEDs that are actually less efficient than the HID consume less energy because you need less light. Although one downside may be finding replacement LED strips when they start to burn out.
------------------------------------------------------- I'm not real well informed on building energy use, but I can say businessguy is at least not totally off his rocker. I'm sure the big retailers like Staples, Walmart, etc do a good job. But in a lot of buildings, you start with good intentions that don't always pan out. Like daylighting that doesn't work because people close blinds so the sun isn't in their eyes (you know, so they can actually do work....)
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 16, 2012 14:16:36 GMT -5
"we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A " That's because LEDs shine down while HIDs shine in every direction. So LEDs that are actually less efficient than the HID consume less energy because you need less light. Although one downside may be finding replacement LED strips when they start to burn out. ------------------------------------------------------- I'm not real well informed on building energy use, but I can say businessguy is at least not totally off his rocker. I'm sure the big retailers like Staples, Walmart, etc do a good job. But in a lot of buildings, you start with good intentions that don't always pan out. Like daylighting that doesn't work because people close blinds so the sun isn't in their eyes (you know, so they can actually do work....) Most industries have moved away from daylighting using a combination of natural flow light and regular light. Most of the "Green" practices go into the actual building design. Making the most out of ICF's (Insulated Concrete Forms) instead of traditional batt insulation or foam wall board insulation, many large projects are coming with green roofs, areas that can be a nature getaway in an urban enviroment. Most projects are looking where the thermal barrier breaksdown (corners, joints, areas of dissimilar materials) or where water intrusion can cause mold and mildew problems. Practices such as these and moving to deeper recycled content (Acoustical ceiling tile is a great place to look) has moved from 40-50% 5 years ago to being over 80% now with a desire to move towards a 85-15 by the year 2015. More goes into green building besides ESR appliances and Light fixtures.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2012 14:24:25 GMT -5
"we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A " That's because LEDs shine down while HIDs shine in every direction. So LEDs that are actually less efficient than the HID consume less energy because you need less light. Although one downside may be finding replacement LED strips when they start to burn out. 1) it has a diffusor, so it actually shines all over. coverage is similar to HID. 2) on a Lumens/Watt basis the LED is way more efficient. 3) it doesn't use strips, but yes, replacement is a big deal.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 16, 2012 14:38:59 GMT -5
"we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A " That's because LEDs shine down while HIDs shine in every direction. So LEDs that are actually less efficient than the HID consume less energy because you need less light. Although one downside may be finding replacement LED strips when they start to burn out. Seriously- gonna go after LEDs? I think you are not getting the efficiency part of this. Simple question- you are lost in a cave with one source of light- your trusty flashlight. What kind of bulb would you like to have in it?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 16, 2012 15:04:54 GMT -5
"we have a high bay LED that we replaced an HID with. the HID put out fewer lumens than the LED, and took 6A to run. the LED takes 1.1A " That's because LEDs shine down while HIDs shine in every direction. So LEDs that are actually less efficient than the HID consume less energy because you need less light. Although one downside may be finding replacement LED strips when they start to burn out. Seriously- gonna go after LEDs? I think you are not getting the efficiency part of this. Simple question- you are lost in a cave with one source of light- your trusty flashlight. What kind of bulb would you like to have in it? Depends on the batteries.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2012 15:08:29 GMT -5
Seriously- gonna go after LEDs? I think you are not getting the efficiency part of this. Simple question- you are lost in a cave with one source of light- your trusty flashlight. What kind of bulb would you like to have in it? Depends on the batteries. What batteries? You get to hand crank that biatch!
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