Obama Regime Will Block US Oil Shale Development

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Obama Admin. Announces Plan to Block U.S. Oil Shale Development and U.S. Job Creation

naturalresources.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=278055

“The distinction between the pro-American job policies of House Republicans and the anti-American energy policies of the Obama Administration could not be clearer. On Wednesday, the Natural Resources Committee approved a bipartisan bill to promote the development of U.S. oil shale and create hundreds of thousands of American jobs.

On Friday, the Obama Administration released their plan to close over a million acres of federal land to oil shale development.

Republicans have a plan to expand access to American energy resources, grow our economy, and put people back to work. The Obama Administration has a plan to lock-up U.S. energy resources and send jobs overseas. This unfortunately is just one more example to add to the ever-growing list of Obama Administration actions that block U.S. energy production.”

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Oil industry jobs are very good, and high paying jobs.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Yes, they are. Look at the oil and gas boom happening right now and you will know what committed ideologues Mr. Obama and his regime must be to prevent this industry from creating so many jobs in an election year.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/us-continues-to-set-records-with-nat.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/depressed-new-construction-market-not.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/u-of-n-dakota-responds-to-oil-boom.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/depressed-new-construction-market-not.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/north-dakota-oil-fuels-continued-job.html

[handyman2]

I am on the fence on this one. I have been told the shale process is messy and hard on the environment. Don't know if that is correct or not so maybe someone can enlighten me.

[Don Perignon]

If the current "boom" is strong and viable, it'll survive being deprived of a few acres of public land.
Surely it can prosper without additional giveaways.
As I see it, an important part of a President's responsibilities is to protect and preserve national treasures from despoilment and devastation.

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"I have been told the shale process is messy and hard on the environment."

You're probably thinking of oil sands. And only a small portion of the oil sands acreage (in Canada) is actually strip mined.

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Cold fusion is the future of energy production.

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Who holds the patent? I'll need to make sure the oil barons buy it up!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 7, 2012 8:11:13 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

"I have been told the shale process is messy and hard on the environment."

You're probably thinking of oil sands. And only a small portion of the oil sands acreage (in Canada) is actually strip mined.

The 'harm' from strip-mining is overstated. It's orders of magnitude safer, it's extremely efficient, and long term harm to the environment is actually almost non-existent. You cover, re-plant, and you're done. It's actually the way we ought to be going and getting coal especially.

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Feb 6, 2012 10:35:07 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/us-continues-to-set-records-with-nat.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/depressed-new-construction-market-not.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/u-of-n-dakota-responds-to-oil-boom.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/depressed-new-construction-market-not.html

mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/01/north-dakota-oil-fuels-continued-job.html

There is most definitely an energy boom in the US. And it's happening entirely IN SPITE OF, not because of Obama.

[floridayankee]

Feb 7, 2012 8:12:48 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Cold fusion is the future of energy production.

I'd love to see commercially viable fusion whether hot or cold.

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"The 'harm' from strip-mining is overstated."

Of course it is. The amount of strip-mining is also overstated, since something like 2/3 of the area has oil deposits too deep to strip mine. Instead they produce it without disturbing the surface.
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"You cover, re-plant, and you're done."

Well, it's a little more complex than that, and it takes decades to do it. But the key is that the gov't and companies up there are comitted to doing just that.

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There is an interesting op-ed in the NY Times today about how politics in the U.S. is leading us to make some stupid decision.

Some highlights:

On Monday, Stephen Harper, the prime minister of Canada, traveled to China for a week of high-level meetings. He brought with him a handful of his cabinet ministers, including Joe Oliver, his tough-talking minister of natural resources

Surely, though, what the Keystone decision really represents is the way our poisoned politics damages the country. Environmental concerns notwithstanding, America will be using oil — and lots of it — for the foreseeable future.

And here is Canada, a staunch American ally that has historically sold us virtually all of its crude exports. Over the past two decades, energy companies have invested tens of billions of dollars in the tar sands, so much so that Canada now ranks No. 3 in estimated oil reserves.

In Canada, the Keystone XL controversy has created a surprising new resolve. “Keystone was a transformative turning point in terms of how Harper sees the bilateral relationship,” says Fen Hampson, a professor of international affairs at Carleton University in Ottawa. Instead of blithely assuming the United States would purchase its oil, Canada is now determined to find diverse buyers so it won’t be held hostage by American politics. Hence, the newfound willingness to do business with China. Canada has concluded that it simply can’t expect much from the United States, even on an issue that would seem to be vital to our own interests.

As it turns out, the environmental movement doesn’t just want to shut down Keystone. Its real goal, as I discovered when I spoke recently to Michael Brune, the executive director of the Sierra Club, is much bigger. “The effort to stop Keystone is part of a broader effort to stop the expansion of the tar sands,” Brune said. “It is based on choking off the ability to find markets for tar sands oil.”

www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/opinion/nocera-the-poisoned-politics-of-keystone-xl.html

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Good article.

Lately I've been having fun with the bloggers at the NRDC.org website. I ran into them by mistake, and it's frankly offensive to see the outright lies that get repeated over and over while they at the same time criticize Keystone supporters for their supposed dishonestyl. I'm suprised they've even left my comments up there....

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I love it. The bill to approve the Keystone XL pipeline was introduced by a Senator from Nebraska. Since the whole opposition revolves around Nebraska, how does one continue to oppose it when even Nebraska's representation wants it?

fuelfix.com/blog/2012/02/07/house-panel-clears-keystone-xl-bill-setting-up-showdown/

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The pipeline is a done deal and everyone, including Obama, knows it. This allows him to appear 'principled' to the enviro-whacko segment of the Democrat base because independent voters have fled the Democratic Party in droves since 2008 and he has to shore up the base.

And he will stil get the credit for the economic benefit the inevitable pipeline will provide.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

The bill to approve the Keystone XL pipeline was introduced by a Senator from Nebraska. Since the whole opposition revolves around Nebraska, how does one continue to oppose it when even Nebraska's representation wants it?

You mean the thought of a politician acting against the interest of his own people/land never crossed your mind? Or maybe just to score points against Obama?

Hi, and welcome to American politics!


Enjoy your gift basket.

[BEN] NELSON STATEMENT ON KEYSTONE DECISION

January 18, 2012 (his quotes are in quote boxes)
bennelson.senate.gov/press/press_releases/nelson-statement-on-keystone-decision.cfm

Ben Nelson is also from Nebraska, but I guess if you don't have an R after your name, you don't count as a "representative."

I believe the root cause of today’s decision is that the State of Nebraska didn’t work proactively with TransCanada years ago in determining a pipeline route through Nebraska that addresses safety and environmental concerns, as other states along the route did.

Who is this head of the State of Nebraska? Dave Heineman, Republican governor since 2005. Where's the outrage at him sitting on it for all these years? Why would a Republican do such a thing?

Well here's a guess:
"Heineman says Nebraska Swayed DOS Decision to Delay Pipeline" Updated: 5:53 AM Nov 11, 2011
www.1011now.com/home/headlines/Governor_Heineman_Obama_Plans_to_Delay_Pipeline_Decision_133627933.html

"He met with a U.S. State Department official on Oct. 18, and said he's happy to see the Obama Administration listening to Nebraskans.
"The two public hearings out here, the special session, all the letters, our meetings with the Department of State all appear to be paying off."
Heineman continues to emphasize he is not against the pipeline, just the route."

Also:
"Nebraska governor signs oil pipeline regulation bills" Tuesday, November 22, 2011
billingsgazette.com/news/national/nebraska-governor-signs-oil-pipeline-regulation-bills/article_eca03f62-1565-11e1-870d-001cc4c03286.html

"One law authorizes the state Department of Environmental Quality to conduct an environmental review of pipeline projects, including the Keystone XL. The governor would review the findings and submit an opinion to the U.S. State Department. The second law asserts Nebraska's authority over future oil pipeline projects, with public meetings and a mandatory review by the state Public Service Commission, which oversees utilities, telecommunications and mass transit."

And I guess only Republican Congressmen represent their state, not Republican governors, right? Oh and what about that States' Rights thing or does Obama hatred trump even that?

After three years of inaction, the State of Nebraska just two months ago passed legislation to determine the route through Nebraska, recognizing that any deadline would be arbitrary. Since a new route hasn’t been announced, the process of State and public review hasn’t even begun. As a result, it would be premature to approve the project when Nebraskans don’t even know where the new route will be.

Fortunately, the announcement today allows for a path to move forward in a responsible manner, without being rushed and allowing appropriate reviews at both the state and federal levels to proceed...

(end of Ben Nelson quotes)

So it has been delayed by three years for whatever reason (probably environmental) by a Republican governor, and due to a Republican governor passed state law, needs to be reviewed, but WAHHHH! OBAMMAHH! Decide in two months naow!!!1! And delaying it for a year is much worse than three years for some reason, plus it's already delayed because of a state law anyways.

Let me guess, Faux Limbeck all told you all was all because Obama's a far left socialist or is trying to win the enviro-wacko vote or something.

Independent voters have fled the Democratic Party in droves since 2008 and he has to shore up the base.

Why don't you pipe in some links to Substantiateville, or is this another case of you just gushing more crude, and I don't mean oil.

"Poll: Rebound among independents gives Obama lead over Romney" February 06, 2012
articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/06/news/la-pn-obama-abc-post-poll-20120206

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Mkitty--You're kind of all over the place, so I'm not quite sure how to respond. However, I will respond to the personal attack and point out that my opinion on Keystone is based on having worked on it back during the design phase of the first pipeline and route selection of the second. You're right about the State of Nebraska waiting until the last minute. The route has been known for several years.

[Don Perignon]

But... but... I heard somebody say that "Sodom Hussein Obammy is single-handedly obstructing the Keystone project!"
They keep repeating it like parrots, so it MUST be true!

LOL!

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

You're kind of all over the place, so I'm not quite sure how to respond.

Sure you did, pretend the important parts that you don't like are incomprehensible. You somehow magically comprehended the unimportant parts of the post. Does Dodge City have a new sheriff?

my opinion on Keystone is based on having worked on it back during the design phase of the first pipeline

Your opinion is biased. Also if "I'm all over the place," I can only imagine what those contracts, etc. were like. Funny how you conveniently became knowledgable all of the sudden. Again, more magic.

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Most of your comments had to do with whether a person's name has an "R" or "D" next to it. I don't give a flip what letter they have next to their name, and a person's letter alone doesn't get them any loyalty from me. For example, I think a lot of what the Republicans have been doing to get around Obama's decision has turned into a bit of a circus.

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"Your opinion is biased."

My opinion, as always, is based on facts and as unbiased as I can possibly make it (nobody is truly unbiased). If you'd like to discuss the facts, by all means.... However, I'm not going to get into the Republican vs Democrat BS from your Feb 8 rant.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

My opinion, as always, is based on facts and as unbiased as I can possibly make it

You are a random person on the internet. I'm going to trust documented sources over some person that may or may not been there and who knows (other than you) what you did or didn't do, etc.

If you'd like to discuss the facts, by all means.

If you'd like to knock off the memes, by all means. I already stated my case and you come back with vague rhetoric talking points. What's next, a good ol' "nuh-uh," or how about "thatz so embarrassingly bad, I won't respond to it!!!1!" canards? Your self evidentialisms are getting tiring.

Rhetoric =/= facts, so the only one not discussing them is you.

However, I'm not going to get into the Republican vs Democrat BS from your Feb 8 rant.

Either point out the BS or kindly knock of the self declared victory routine. I've encountered routines like this many times before, and it always means they have nothing, or they would have pointed it out.

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Feb 7, 2012 8:12:48 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Cold fusion is the future of energy production.

That will follow cold campfires which are farther along in R&D.

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Feb 17, 2012 11:19:38 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Most of your comments had to do with whether a person's name has an "R" or "D" next to it. I don't give a flip what letter they have next to their name, and a person's letter alone doesn't get them any loyalty from me. For example, I think a lot of what the Republicans have been doing to get around Obama's decision has turned into a bit of a circus.

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"Your opinion is biased."

My opinion, as always, is based on facts and as unbiased as I can possibly make it (nobody is truly unbiased). If you'd like to discuss the facts, by all means.... However, I'm not going to get into the Republican vs Democrat BS from your Feb 8 rant.

Investorbob, Your wasting your time with mkitty's negative, divisive, drive by style of semantic nonsense. She knows little to nothing of energy economics. I simply read her posts with humor as I know what creates that type of attitude.

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"I simply read her posts with humor as I know what creates that type of attitude."

Must be something serious. I won't even guess. It usually takes a lot more than pointing out irony to get a person to fly off the handle....

[floridayankee]

Feb 17, 2012 14:15:54 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

"I simply read her posts with humor as I know what creates that type of attitude."

Must be something serious. I won't even guess. It usually takes a lot more than pointing out irony to get a person to fly off the handle....

No, this is P&M. It really doesn't. All it takes is a post from an individual with general ideology from the other end of the political scale for some to fly off the handle. Subject matter doesn't matter....the urge to argue the exact opposite is just too compelling to overcome with facts and logic alone.

[floridayankee]

Feb 17, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

That will follow cold campfires which are farther along in R&D.

Quite close, actually.....

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Feb 17, 2012 14:42:14 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Feb 17, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

That will follow cold campfires which are farther along in R&D.

Quite close, actually.....

Not only do you reduce the burn risk while socializing in the evening, the beer stays cold in the summer without having to lug a cooler.

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Feb 17, 2012 12:21:15 GMT -5 Mkitty is pro kitty said:

My opinion, as always, is based on facts and as unbiased as I can possibly make it

You are a random person on the internet. I'm going to trust documented sources over some person that may or may not been there and who knows (other than you) what you did or didn't do, etc.



If you'd like to knock off the memes, by all means. I already stated my case and you come back with vague rhetoric talking points. What's next, a good ol' "nuh-uh," or how about "thatz so embarrassingly bad, I won't respond to it!!!1!" canards? Your self evidentialisms are getting tiring.

Rhetoric =/= facts, so the only one not discussing them is you.

However, I'm not going to get into the Republican vs Democrat BS from your Feb 8 rant.

Either point out the BS or kindly knock of the self declared victory routine. I've encountered routines like this many times before, and it always means they have nothing, or they would have pointed it out.

Some how, some way, you writing "I've encountered routines like this many times before" or "you are a random person on the Internet" has got to be the pinnacle of P&M ironic humor. Thank you, it made my day, please post more.