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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 12:04:26 GMT -5
www.npr.org/2012/01/24/145812810/transcript-obamas-state-of-the-union-addressOkay, I'm a little surprised by the comments from folks who didn't watch the speech. Read the dang transcript. It will take you 20 minutes when there are no applause breaks. I like that the Constitution requires the President to talk directy to the Congress at least once a year, instead of through the media. The idea is nice even if the execution is just an opportunity to start promoting his policy agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 12:12:26 GMT -5
I'm not apologizing for him, or anyone else, but you've got things a little skewed here. I don't think so. Actually he is the one that should apologize....to the American people for wasting so much of our hard-earned money. For Solyndra? It was $535 million. That is less than 0.004% of our national deficit. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but that is how investments work. Sometimes you make money, sometimes they fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 12:17:44 GMT -5
he can get in line to do that behind the previous administration, who wasted billions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a war we didn't need to fight.The billions spent actually had people working. The issue of whether or not the war needed to be fought is highly debatable. The US was attacked. Retaliation was justified. Yes, we were attacked. But not by Iraq. It is a valid point that the wars created a lot of jobs, but they are expensive jobs. No one has commented on the suggestion that we use half the (no longer needed) war budget for infrastructure and half for paying off debt. I don't think the execution will be that simple, but it had a nice Dave Ramsey-esque simplicity to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 12:26:22 GMT -5
he can get in line to do that behind the previous administration, who wasted billions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a war we didn't need to fight.The billions spent actually had people working. The issue of whether or not the war needed to be fought is highly debatable. The US was attacked. Retaliation was justified. Yes, we were attacked. But not by Iraq. is it just me, or does anyone else here find it strange that we seem to have the biggest problem with SHIA ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, even though they are the enemies of the radical Sunni variety that were responsible for 911?
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Post by diamonds on Jan 25, 2012 12:41:39 GMT -5
More BS , lets face it , The Federal Reserve run's this congress and Potus.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 25, 2012 12:42:52 GMT -5
is it just me, or does anyone else here find it strange that we seem to have the biggest problem with SHIA ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, even though they are the enemies of the radical Sunni variety that were responsible for 911?
reminds me of a domestic dispute when the cops come. all of a sudden the husband and wife are united against the cops.
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Post by pepper112765 on Jan 25, 2012 12:44:16 GMT -5
I didn't see the whole thing, but I have similar feelings as everyone else so far. what I did notice was that there were more things that brought the whole room to its feet than I was expecting. that's encouraging to me, actually. it'll be interesting to see if Congress does anything with the items he mentioned last night. I don't think anything he said last year ever went anywhere. Although it appeared that everyone was applauding, these members were sitting with their bipartisan buddy, as they did after Giffords was shot, so it was like dem sitting next to a pub, so although the pubs did applause at certain points, it was mostly dems. Even Cantor deigned to break into a grin when the president spoke about extending the payroll tax cut. I also think that the president made good sense that in extending the Bush era tax cuts that the money has to come from somewhere to pay for it; and we all know that social programs are the first to be gutted. Although he spoke about teachers, some of you must have missed the bit about having the states more responsible for education and giving flexibility in teaching as opposed to teaching to the test. I also think he made a valid point about the propoganda about class warfare. Not many envy the rich to the point that those not "rich" want to take what the rich have. From where I sit, there are some that will do any and everything to maintain the status quo, including fraud and other illegal maneuvers or just taking advantage of the tax code as it is currently written. No matter how Romney or any other very wealthy person obtains his money, the reality is that, in particular with Romney he has less of an effective tax than a lot of us. He would be hardpressed to convince the average american that this is "fair."
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Post by dancinmama on Jan 25, 2012 12:46:05 GMT -5
It was not intended to be a "tired old zing". Millions of Americans have been saying the same thing about crappy teachers for decades, yet it hasn't happened.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 25, 2012 13:36:40 GMT -5
he can get in line to do that behind the previous administration, who wasted billions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a war we didn't need to fight.The billions spent actually had people working. The issue of whether or not the war needed to be fought is highly debatable. The US was attacked. Retaliation was justified. Yes, we were attacked. But not by Iraq. It is a valid point that the wars created a lot of jobs, but they are expensive jobs. No one has commented on the suggestion that we use half the (no longer needed) war budget for infrastructure and half for paying off debt. I don't think the execution will be that simple, but it had a nice Dave Ramsey-esque simplicity to it. I thought the same thing when I heard it...simple sounding solution but why not , for once "try to keep things simple stupid" isn't such a bad idea..even if it was not possible to split evenly..possible some of it..infrastructure..some pay down on debt, why not?? For a start anyway and a show of good faith to address both sides, getting a bit of what they want..for appearance sake anyway..what is so wrong with that. What the politicals just do not get, both sides, American Public, Cons/Libs for the most part , and all but the really rabid fanatics, [they know who they are] are fed up with both sides in their playing of politics..fed up completly.. in fact as they are being sent back to a permanent retirement by so many hope fully, even then, they will be wondering, "Huh, what did I do do that caused this..don't understand their thinking..why didn't they say they were upset with us.." they just don't get it.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 25, 2012 13:49:09 GMT -5
>>>He would be hardpressed to convince the average american that this is "fair." <<<
It's called Capitalism my dear and the rich know how to invest their money, period. That is fair. What was NOT fair is the insider trading that Congress was privy to. The average person as Martha Stewart was jailed for that. I heard Obama is going to repeal that now, but all of his cronies already made millions doing that. Pelosi's wealth tripled when she was Speaker of the House and was well-rewarded for pushing his bills through. The average person sees it as the "Culture of Corruption" or Chicago style thuggery.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 13:50:35 GMT -5
class warfare never gets tiresome. it has been the staple of populists since time immemorial. Gingrich deploys it regularly.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 25, 2012 13:52:04 GMT -5
ha..ha...spot on!!!
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 25, 2012 13:57:31 GMT -5
One thing that struck me in his speech. He has the ability to put passion and emphasis on words. He is a golden tongued devil, isn't he? Bill Clinton was another excellent speaker, IMHO as was Reagan. George (W) Bush....not so much.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 14:08:01 GMT -5
One thing that struck me in his speech. He has the ability to put passion and emphasis on words. He is a golden tongued devil, isn't he? Bill Clinton was another excellent speaker, IMHO as was Reagan. George (W) Bush....not so much. yeah. even if you don't like what he is saying, it is hard to not like how he says it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 25, 2012 15:13:24 GMT -5
One thing that struck me in his speech. He has the ability to put passion and emphasis on words. He is a golden tongued devil, isn't he? Bill Clinton was another excellent speaker, IMHO as was Reagan. George (W) Bush....not so much. Agree with you , still love to listen to Clinton when he speaks..just not willing to pay to do so..before most here times but Kennedy too , a excellent speaker..great sense of humor and Truman too, Eisenhower not as well Just read today that they have finally released the last batch of the secret taped Kennedy tapes..just before his assassination and when he was having conversations about the upcoming elections ..also the Vietnam War.. one that was reported today..two different advisers were sent to Nam, for their impressions of what was really going down there..the two reported two entirely impressions..he comments to them.. " Are you sure you both went to the same country " in exasperation of their completely different impressions of the war.. Reagan was called the "Great Communicator " though have to admit not for me..just never got it from him..
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 25, 2012 15:20:27 GMT -5
..before most here imes but Kennedy too , a excellent speaker..great sense of humor and Truman too, Eisenhower not as well Yup...assuming you mean JFK, they were all well before me....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 17:40:26 GMT -5
Last night is why Obama is virtually assured of a second term.
Personally, I think, even with an intransigent, obstructionist Congress which just doesn't want to do anything (and this should give him some sympathy), he still comes out as a 6.6. That tells me that Newt and Mitt (what kind of stupid names are those), come in at, about 4.3.
They just don't have the goods to bring to the table.
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Post by rockon on Jan 25, 2012 18:40:58 GMT -5
The last time I looked the MSNBC poll still had the majority giving his speech an F compared with those who gave it an A. I have to agree though that unfortunately the field of candidates against him give him a good chance for re election. Just wish I felt the country would be better off because of it. It would be very difficult to give him a passing grade on leadership quality or economic understanding during his first term.
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Post by gavinsnana on Jan 25, 2012 18:47:01 GMT -5
i'm still clearing the smoke out of my ass. i'll let youse know later. ;-) I agree. He lied about the rich paying taxes. They don't just only pay 15%. That is on capital gains. They do pay taxes on the inital amount. So they are getting double taxed. You took your paycheck, after taxes. You invest it, what you earn on that you pay the lower rate. Obama wants more... double taxes. Hell no!
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Post by gavinsnana on Jan 25, 2012 18:48:26 GMT -5
Face it, Obama and the Dems are spendaholics. This is why he wants MORE of YOUR money..
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Post by humok on Jan 25, 2012 18:49:05 GMT -5
It sounded real good as far as speeches go but alas it was what he thought the "voters" wanted to here and like the rest of his speeches he does not really mean it and Will not act on it. He is too caught up sidestepping Congress and signing laws that ignore and overstep our Constitution.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 18:50:29 GMT -5
Face it, Obama and the Dems are spendaholics. This is why he wants MORE of YOUR money.. the ten least balanced budgets since WW2 prior to Obama were under Republican presidents.
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Post by rockon on Jan 25, 2012 18:53:08 GMT -5
They are spendaholics of the worst kind but lets be objective with the fact that the republicans have also been spendaholics. We need real change not just an oscilation between two parties with the same net result. I'm still waiting for a candidate who actually recognizes the problem.
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Post by rockon on Jan 25, 2012 18:55:51 GMT -5
the ten least balanced budgets since WW2 prior to Obama were under Republican presidents.
But.... none come close to what Obama did and I'm sure it had to be the fault of the president before them right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 18:57:26 GMT -5
Face it, Obama and the Dems are spendaholics. This is why he wants MORE of YOUR money.. Um, it isn't my money. I earn considerably less than $1 million per year.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 25, 2012 18:59:55 GMT -5
He lied about the rich paying taxes. They don't just only pay 15%. That is on capital gains. They do pay taxes on the inital amount. So they are getting double taxed. Except for the ones who got rich from capital gains in the first place. You think Bill Gates got his billions as income? Hell to the no. His billions came from stock options which have been taxed as capital gains the entire time. Same thing for Warren Buffett. Same thing for Mitt Romney. The rich aren't stupid enough to structure their money in a way that lets the government dip their hands into it more than necessary. That's part of the reason they get rich in the first place. Look at the $100 million that Romney passed onto his boy's trust. He earned the money under the carried interest loophole, so it's never income. Then he can assign the carried interest he's owed to the trust, and gets to set the value at zero when he does it. So he gave them a gift worth nothing, triggering no gift tax, he never paid taxes on it, and when the boys cash out the $100 million dollars that was worth nothing when he gave it to them, all they owe is 15% because it's long term capital gains to them. If I hand my daughter $25k to pay for college any amount over $12k is considered gifted income and she owes income tax on it. Even though I already paid income taxes on the money when I earned it. Level playing field my ass.
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Post by rockon on Jan 25, 2012 19:04:27 GMT -5
Oh, it will always be the middle class consumer who ultimately pays for almost everything regardless where the tax is applied or how wealth is legislated.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 19:07:28 GMT -5
the ten least balanced budgets since WW2 prior to Obama were under Republican presidents. But.... none come close to what Obama did and I'm sure it had to be the fault of the president before them right? no, i hold Obama 100% responsible for the 2010 budget, and the next two that follow it. but Bush's 2009 budget was close.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 25, 2012 19:08:39 GMT -5
Like Judge Judy says, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." That's exactly what I think Obama is doing. He has his secret little agenda and he'll say whatever he has to in order to get the vote. Nothing he says or does will negate the debt he's put our country in. I don't trust him, never have and never will. i feel the same way about Reagan. i might forgive him, though, someday.
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Post by funforall on Jan 25, 2012 19:09:49 GMT -5
OUR PRESIDENT: 1. Got Osama bin laden...check 2. unemployment rate down to 8.5%...check 3. 1.6 million jobs created with no GOP help...check 4. 22 months of job and economic growth...check ... 5. Ended war in Iraq ...check 6. DADT repeal...check 7. Not one tax hike in 3 years....check 8. Same wife for 15 years with no extra marital affairs...check 9. Saved the auto industry which got GM back to the #1 automaker in the world and created 1.5 million jobs...check 10. Assisted in ousting Ghaddafi...check 11. Only active President to receive Nobel Peace prize while in office...check 12. Mortgage modification to prevent home owners from losing their home...check 13. STILL fighting for middle class families...check 13. 1st president since Roosevelt to reform healthcare....check 14. Reformed financial system, first time since FDR...check
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