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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 6, 2012 15:24:22 GMT -5
mmhmm was right. South Carolina is not going to go for him, either. and i have already stated that i doubt he will win in Florida.
so, question: is there a state that Gingrich CAN win in?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 6, 2012 15:31:09 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50%
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 6, 2012 15:33:27 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% Paul- i thought he was UNBEATABLE in SC. mmhmm told me "no way is SC ever going to vote for Gingrich". i just looked at the polling data and said "what the hell is SHE reading". so, i was wrong. Romney is up big in FL now. Santorum is coming on strong.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 6, 2012 15:36:48 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% Paul: I was hoping Newt would gain momentum again, and don't know what's happening with his base. Of course as you said, he is the always the best in every debate and we'll see how that plays out.
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Post by usaone on Jan 6, 2012 16:23:31 GMT -5
Santorum is already starting to implode.
He was booed of the stage last night in NH.
Romney VS Obama 2012
Conservative will not be happy.
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Post by usaone on Jan 6, 2012 16:24:36 GMT -5
Boston Globe endorsed my guy Jon Huntsmann yesterday, but it looks like to little to late.
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 6, 2012 16:27:45 GMT -5
I do not see Romney winning Florida or South Carolina. Santorum is the new kid on the block. he has not been front and center long enough to get any war wounds as yet. But you can bet they are getting the ammo loaded.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 6, 2012 16:31:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know why this guy is running. Even if you think he's the smartest and most experienced of the republican canidates, he has far too many skelatons to be running as a republican. I can see him being Romney's VP.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 6, 2012 16:54:42 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% Paul- i thought he was UNBEATABLE in SC. mmhmm told me "no way is SC ever going to vote for Gingrich". i just looked at the polling data and said "what the hell is SHE reading". so, i was wrong. Romney is up big in FL now. Santorum is coming on strong. Heh. I wasn't reading, dj. I was listening to the folks around me.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 6, 2012 17:01:16 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% It appears you've changed your thinking since you posted this, paul: PalmBeachPaul Re: "Don't see any scenario where [Romney loses]" « Reply #23 on Dec 28, 2011, 10:43 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec 27, 2011, 22:24, djlungrot wrote:by the way, i think Romney is going to win both Iowa AND NH now. Paul wins IA. Romney wins the rather inconsequential NH. Newt wins big in SC and FL. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's brought about the change in thinking? Was it the results in Iowa, Newt's rapidly sinking poll figures, or something else?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 6, 2012 17:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by usaone on Jan 6, 2012 20:04:00 GMT -5
The leader of the free world can not wear a sweater vest. ;D
Santorum.......
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Post by diamonds on Jan 7, 2012 2:19:45 GMT -5
I do not see Romney winning Florida or South Carolina. Santorum is the new kid on the block. he has not been front and center long enough to get any war wounds as yet. But you can bet they are getting the ammo loaded. He is only being slammed over his social issues, which he has clarified and acceptable. He is not imposing his beliefs on anyone. Other than that they really have nothing to go on as he is not a flip-flopper as the rest are. I think he's a refreshing change and does not have the arrogance of the others. I predict he will stay at the top for awhile as he is getting more donations, but people will panic in the end and feel Romney is the best bet to beat Obama. The 2 debates this weekend will reveal more, but as I heard one of Trump's associates say the smear ads within the GOP makes them look weak and is a waste of money. The bottom tier will thin out and leave the hardcore players to magnify the flaws, failures and flip-flopping of Obama. The man actually was a democrat and voted for Obama in 2008, and said Obama will go down as the worst President in history. He can't rebound that much in the next few months to make up for his disastrous first 3 years. If you want to reference what the man said, he was on the Great American Panel which is a mix of Liberals and Conservatives.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jan 7, 2012 3:25:06 GMT -5
I do not see Romney winning Florida or South Carolina. Santorum is the new kid on the block. he has not been front and center long enough to get any war wounds as yet. But you can bet they are getting the ammo loaded. He is only being slammed over his social issues, which he has clarified and acceptable. He is not imposing his beliefs on anyone. Other than that they really have nothing to go on as he is not a flip-flopper as the rest are. I think he's a refreshing change and does not have the arrogance of the others. I predict he will stay at the top for awhile as he is getting more donations, but people will panic in the end and feel Romney is the best bet to beat Obama. The 2 debates this weekend will reveal more, but as I heard one of Trump's associates say the smear ads within the GOP makes them look weak and is a waste of money. The bottom tier will thin out and leave the hardcore players to magnify the flaws, failures and flip-flopping of Obama. The man actually was a democrat and voted for Obama in 2008, and said Obama will go down as the worst President in history. He can't rebound that much in the next few months to make up for his disastrous first 3 years. If you want to reference what the man said, he was on the Great American Panel which is a mix of Liberals and Conservatives. oh yes, he is imposing his beliefs on everyone. He has no place in United States Democracy. He doesn't believe in it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 7, 2012 5:40:55 GMT -5
He is not imposing his beliefs on anyone. ------------------------ No? (CNN) -- There are two Rick Santorums: The first one I might not agree with, but the second one truly scares me. "Santorum One" pushes for less government regulation for corporations and shrinking the federal government. You may or may not agree with these positions, but they are both mainstream conservative fare. Then there's "Santorum Two." This Santorum wants to impose conservative Christian law upon America. Am I being hyperbolic or overly dramatic with this statement? I wish I were, but I'm not. Plainly put, Rick Santorum wants to convert our current legal system into one that requires our laws to be in agreement with religious law, not unlike what the Taliban want to do in Afghanistan. He told a crowd at a November campaign stop in Iowa in no uncertain terms, "our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God's law." On Thanksgiving Day at an Iowa candidates' forum, he reiterated: "We have civil laws, but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law." Yes, that means exactly what you think it does: Santorum believes that each and every one of our government's laws must match God's law, warning that "as long as there is a discordance between the two, there will be agitation." www.sodahead.com/united-states/rick-santorum-wants-to-impose-judeo-christian-sharia-laws-in-america/question-2380205/
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 7, 2012 11:40:38 GMT -5
I do not see Romney winning Florida or South Carolina. Santorum is the new kid on the block. he has not been front and center long enough to get any war wounds as yet. But you can bet they are getting the ammo loaded. He is only being slammed over his social issues, which he has clarified and acceptable. He is not imposing his beliefs on anyone. Other than that they really have nothing to go on as he is not a flip-flopper as the rest are. I think he's a refreshing change and does not have the arrogance of the others. I predict he will stay at the top for awhile as he is getting more donations, but people will panic in the end and feel Romney is the best bet to beat Obama. The 2 debates this weekend will reveal more, but as I heard one of Trump's associates say the smear ads within the GOP makes them look weak and is a waste of money. The bottom tier will thin out and leave the hardcore players to magnify the flaws, failures and flip-flopping of Obama. The man actually was a democrat and voted for Obama in 2008, and said Obama will go down as the worst President in history. He can't rebound that much in the next few months to make up for his disastrous first 3 years. If you want to reference what the man said, he was on the Great American Panel which is a mix of Liberals and Conservatives. Maybe acceptable to you but not to me.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 7, 2012 11:53:59 GMT -5
IMO,Santorum is going to have to do more than play the gay card to stay flavor of the month, but then again.......
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Post by diamonds on Jan 7, 2012 12:02:38 GMT -5
He is only being slammed over his social issues, which he has clarified and acceptable. He is not imposing his beliefs on anyone. Other than that they really have nothing to go on as he is not a flip-flopper as the rest are. I think he's a refreshing change and does not have the arrogance of the others. I predict he will stay at the top for awhile as he is getting more donations, but people will panic in the end and feel Romney is the best bet to beat Obama. The 2 debates this weekend will reveal more, but as I heard one of Trump's associates say the smear ads within the GOP makes them look weak and is a waste of money. The bottom tier will thin out and leave the hardcore players to magnify the flaws, failures and flip-flopping of Obama. The man actually was a democrat and voted for Obama in 2008, and said Obama will go down as the worst President in history. He can't rebound that much in the next few months to make up for his disastrous first 3 years. If you want to reference what the man said, he was on the Great American Panel which is a mix of Liberals and Conservatives. oh yes, he is imposing his beliefs on everyone. He has no place in United States Democracy. He doesn't believe in it. The only laws that he is enforcing are the ones in the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman. As far as the brith control thing, he would NOT impose that on anyone, only for himself. He said it loud and clear. Maybe you should stop reading or listening to the left propaganda machine as with Herman Cain, and listen to his own words when asked. Enough and done.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 7, 2012 12:45:40 GMT -5
... The only laws that he is enforcing are the ones in the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman. ....
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 7, 2012 12:47:23 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% Paul: I was hoping Newt would gain momentum again, and don't know what's happening with his base. his base is finding out that he is dragging three decades of baggage behind him, much of which they find distasteful. but make no mistake- this rise and fall pattern is very consistent, diamonds. there are only two candidates who have not followed it, so far: Romney, who has peaked THREE times at about 26% (including right now) and Santorum, who is getting his chance as we speak to be "not Romney".
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 7, 2012 12:48:31 GMT -5
It was never likely to start with. It's basically the conservatives vs. Romney. Santorum is the latest to surge- my guess, Santorum benefits most from Bachmann's dropout. I'd still like to see Newt pull it out. There's a debate Saturday, and that seems to be the place where Newt shines-- so we'll see. However, Santorum's support has trippled in NH and Newt has seen support fall off by 50% It appears you've changed your thinking since you posted this, paul: PalmBeachPaul Re: "Don't see any scenario where [Romney loses]" « Reply #23 on Dec 28, 2011, 10:43 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dec 27, 2011, 22:24, djlungrot wrote:by the way, i think Romney is going to win both Iowa AND NH now. Paul wins IA. Romney wins the rather inconsequential NH. Newt wins big in SC and FL. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's brought about the change in thinking? Was it the results in Iowa, Newt's rapidly sinking poll figures, or something else? reality. hindsight. overwhelming evidence.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 7, 2012 12:49:56 GMT -5
Paul- i thought he was UNBEATABLE in SC. mmhmm told me "no way is SC ever going to vote for Gingrich". i just looked at the polling data and said "what the hell is SHE reading". so, i was wrong. Romney is up big in FL now. Santorum is coming on strong. Heh. I wasn't reading, dj. I was listening to the folks around me. it helps to have "feet on the ground", doesn't it?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 7, 2012 12:51:20 GMT -5
oh yes, he is imposing his beliefs on everyone. He has no place in United States Democracy. He doesn't believe in it. The only laws that he is enforcing are the ones in the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman. As far as the brith control thing, he would NOT impose that on anyone, only for himself. He said it loud and clear. Maybe you should stop reading or listening to the left propaganda machine as with Herman Cain, and listen to his own words when asked. Enough and done. The U.S. Constitution specifically defines marriage between a man and a woman? Yikes! And Santorum is not enforcing any laws on anyone at this time other than in his own home and even then that's doubtful. In most homes, women rule the roost.
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Post by cme1201 on Jan 7, 2012 12:59:45 GMT -5
... The only laws that he is enforcing are the ones in the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman. .... Bill, I need to ask, why the sarcasm smiley? diamonds may not know that DOMA is not a constitutional law but, it is federal law. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Actthe congressional make up at the time the Act was signed into law was Senate R53-D47 and the House R228-D206. The Vote on DOMA was 85-14 Senate and 342-67 House. So yes if someone states that they are enforcing the laws of the land they in fact are.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 7, 2012 13:00:45 GMT -5
Stick up for your rights, man.That is not what my wife lets me think.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 7, 2012 13:17:23 GMT -5
>>>Bill, I need to ask, why the sarcasm smiley? diamonds may not know that DOMA is not a constitutional law but, it is federal law.<<< Thanks cme, you are right, just relaying what I understood it to be.
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Post by cme1201 on Jan 7, 2012 13:23:49 GMT -5
>>>Bill, I need to ask, why the sarcasm smiley? diamonds may not know that DOMA is not a constitutional law but, it is federal law.<<< Thanks cme, you are right, just relaying what I understood it to be. and as is shown what people understand may not be entirely accurate and we should help them to understand where the breakdown in understanding is.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 7, 2012 13:41:31 GMT -5
>>>and as is shown what people understand may not be entirely accurate and we should help them to understand where the breakdown in understanding is.<<< Yes, and appreciate the correction in a professional manner. Most of you guys are experts in the political arena and American politics are quite complicated. I learned very little public schools, and now have just begun to take a serious interest in the future of my country. I suppose that is why I spend my time on P&M.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 7, 2012 13:56:49 GMT -5
>>>it helps to have "feet on the ground", doesn't it?<<< How about high heels?...
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 7, 2012 14:15:02 GMT -5
>>>it helps to have "feet on the ground", doesn't it?<<< How about high heels?... Wear your flat-heeled boots, hon! You'll be ever so glad you did! There are lots of pairs that are amazingly fashionable! These Choos should serve nicely with a buttery suede pants ensemble. ;D
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