Sandusky Case is even worse...

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Word on AOL is that Sandusky was pimping boys out to big donors to his foundation.

My heart just breaks for the victims. Innocence stolen, lives destroyed by sick and sadistic monsters.

[Chocolate Lover]

I saw that earlier but don't think it's been verified yet. I wouldn't doubt it though. I hope one of the parents catches him alone for just 5 minutes.....

[Bob Ross]

Nov 10, 2011 16:56:12 GMT -5 Chocolate Lover said:

I hope one of the parents catches him alone for just 5 minutes.....

You gotta wonder how much they even gave a crap though.

I just read that .pdf you posted in the other thread. Who lets their kids repeatedly sleep over at some dirty old man's house?
I don't care what pretense it's under.

Not saying it's the parents' fault by a long shot, but still.

[Chocolate Lover]

I wondered that too Bob, but maybe they thought it was a good thing for the kids. Can't imagine any were going to win parent of the year if these were at risk kids, but surely they didn't suspect it would be anything like it turned out to be.

I actually wondered who'd let the kids go to that many games and out of town without them. But, like I said, I'm sure they never imagined he was what he was...

[bluecluessubtlety]

That's why pedophiles prey on kids like this. Bad home life, need attention. Sometimes the moms are complete idiots. Other times they think a strong male influence will be good for their son. These kids don't have a chance.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Nov 10, 2011 16:56:12 GMT -5 Chocolate Lover said:

I saw that earlier but don't think it's been verified yet. I wouldn't doubt it though. I hope one of the parents catches him alone for just 5 minutes.....

He's out on bail.

I hope he's terrified for his life

[Chocolate Lover]

He should be golden, he really should be.

[daisylu]

I could be way off, but my speculation on why McQueary is still working is that he was coerced by higher ups into letting them handle it. Not that that absolves him, it does not. But I imagine he knows things that will blow the university out of existence.

[Bluerobin]

Nov 11, 2011 2:15:15 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Why is Mike McQueary going to coach on Sat? He was the actual eyewitness to Sandusky raping a child. He did nothing but walk away and call his dad who told him to leave. He didn't call 911 , the police or intervene in any way to help the child. Why isn't he at least stepping aside until this is investigated?

He is not, for security reasons. The sun sets on another career. He will have to change his name to coach again.

[Cookies Galore]

Nov 11, 2011 7:47:46 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

Nov 11, 2011 2:15:15 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Why is Mike McQueary going to coach on Sat? He was the actual eyewitness to Sandusky raping a child. He did nothing but walk away and call his dad who told him to leave. He didn't call 911 , the police or intervene in any way to help the child. Why isn't he at least stepping aside until this is investigated?

He is not, for security reasons. The sun sets on another career. He will have to change his name to coach again.

Yup, threats were made so he will not be on the sidelines Saturday. My theory on why he still has a job is because if he's fired, he talks to the media. I don't know.

The Sandusky/pimping rumor is unsubstantiated conjecture at this point and I really hope it's not true. It just can't be. The Philly sports blog, crossingbroad.com, has the audio of a sports radio interview with the guy who is putting this little birdie in people's ears. I would post a direct link, but that is one of the arbitrarily blocked sites at work.

[Bluerobin]

Meghan, I think you are spot on with the talking thing. We'll see what happens after the federal investigation. PSU is trying to close the door after the horses left.

[daisylu]

Mark Madden also wrote on Sandusky and a possible cover-up in April.

www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?

Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.

Great questions in bold:

Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.

Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.
But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?

Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

He was 28 yrs old. Nothing prevented him from immediately running to a phone and calling police.

Other than his education, degree and future livelihood.

Had he called the police, the call would have been diverted to campus police since most universities have their own police force (as does this one). The campus police would have gone to the AD and Paterno, BOTH of whom swept the whole thing under the carpet when they were questioned later (and it's very likely they would have done it if questioned about it immediately).

The student would have been expelled. If he was 28, he was likely at the very end of his education and looking to get his degree soon. He would have been blackballed from every working at ANY university, and without a degree, have wasted 7 years of his life.

IMO, he did what was necessary to cover his ass. He told Paterno, a person in power. Paterno could have pushed as hard as he wanted, without repercussions in order to get the case brought to court. Paterno dropped the ball totally.

There were a LOT of people who dropped the ball. Sandusky was reported regularly and even the police were dragging their feet about filing a case against him!

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

He wouldn't have been expelled. He would have been a hero.

No he wouldn't. And yes, he would have likely been expelled. Whistleblower protection does not extend to students and the student would have been screwed royally. It would have been his word against a very well respected coach and I guarantee you, the coach will win and the student will pay.

Snerdly....go read the PDF report that's available online. A LOT of people reported Sandusky, the police WERE called in and the case still got swept away.

Athletic programs, and ones like this in particular, have a TREMENDOUS amount of power. The corruption here went all the way up to the president of the university. A graduate student didn't stand a chance.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

And, he could have ran to a phone and made an anonymous 911

And what would the cops have found? To start with (again) the call would be diverted to campus police. The campus police would have found an empty shower.

Stop being outraged for a minute and think about this logically. Exactly WHAT would the cops have done? There's no eye witness. There's no victim. There's no perpetrator.

[mmhmm]

Nov 11, 2011 8:58:56 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

And, he could have ran to a phone and made an anonymous 911

And what would the cops have found? To start with (again) the call would be diverted to campus police. The campus police would have found an empty shower.

Stop being outraged for a minute and think about this logically. Exactly WHAT would the cops have done? There's no eye witness. There's no victim. There's no perpetrator.

Ahem. A call for an ambulance to take that child to the ER would not have been forwarded to campus police! Call the damned hospital and tell them to send an ambulance pronto. That's what one does. One doesn't tell one's daddy!

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

How do you know. He apparently saw what was happening in the midst of the act. 911 can be there in a matter of minutes.

According to the Grand Jury report, both the victim and Sandusky saw the graduate student. Both can be dressed and out of the building before 911 got there.

Again, had the graduate student called 911, the call would have been diverted to campus police. Campus police do not respond quickly.

The graduate student DID act, as did many, many other people reported Sandusky over a period of 10 years.

Why did it take until now for there to finally be an arrest?

[Deleted]

Mich, I'm sorry, but any human being with even an ounce of morals and compassion should have reported it to the police. CYA doesn't cut it when you're dealing with the life of another person - especially a minor. And if he got blackballed from working at a university: a) he could sue PSU for defamation or whatever and b) who cares? He can find another job in another field - you can't undo abuse/molestation.

[mmhmm]

Nov 11, 2011 8:42:30 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

He was 28 yrs old. Nothing prevented him from immediately running to a phone and calling police.

Other than his education, degree and future livelihood.

Had he called the police, the call would have been diverted to campus police since most universities have their own police force (as does this one). The campus police would have gone to the AD and Paterno, BOTH of whom swept the whole thing under the carpet when they were questioned later (and it's very likely they would have done it if questioned about it immediately).

The student would have been expelled. If he was 28, he was likely at the very end of his education and looking to get his degree soon. He would have been blackballed from every working at ANY university, and without a degree, have wasted 7 years of his life.

IMO, he did what was necessary to cover his ass. He told Paterno, a person in power. Paterno could have pushed as hard as he wanted, without repercussions in order to get the case brought to court. Paterno dropped the ball totally.

There were a LOT of people who dropped the ball. Sandusky was reported regularly and even the police were dragging their feet about filing a case against him!

I find myself wondering what's to come of his education, his degree and his livelihood now. He's been told not to show up at the game. It's known who he is, what he saw and what he did about it. I doubt pretty seriously he's being held in high esteem by many at this point. Sometimes, the decisions we make in haste (especially, those which put us first and a 10-year-old child somewhere down the list) come back to bite us in the backside.

[Deleted]

Why did it take until now for there to finally be an arrest?

Apparently the DA has been putting his case together for years because he likely knew that any shadow of doubt or mistake would get this case dropped faster than a hot dish.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

A call for an ambulance to take that child to the ER would not have been forwarded to campus police! Call the damned hospital and tell them to send an ambulance pronto. That's what one does. One doesn't tell one's daddy!

The child left with Sandusky. And yes, it would have been forwarded to campus police.

A college campus (with the college police) is their own little city in the middle of the city. I know, I work and live here and have observed how it works.

When you call 911, the cops are the first responder, then the ambulance. I called 911 a couple months ago on my neighbor when I thought she was ill/dead. It took the cops about 15 min to show up (long enough for maintenence to go to the shop, get a hacksaw and start sawing through the deadbolt thrown on my neighbor's door). The cops made it right before he got through. Ambulance showed up about 5 min later.

Do you know the hospital number off the top of your head?

[Deleted]

actually, here, the state university police are seen as legitimate state police. So if something like that happened here and the incident was reported to the campus police, I'm fairly sure that there would be an immediate investigation as well as a contact to the regular state police. This should have been reported to the police, and even if it got directed to the campus police, they should have investigated and involved the PA state police. No one did the right thing.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I find myself wondering what's to come of his education, his degree and his livelihood now. He's been told not to show up at the game. It's known who he is, what he saw and what he did about it. I doubt pretty seriously he's being held in high esteem by many at this point. Sometimes, the decisions we make in haste (especially, those which put us first and a 10-year-old child somewhere down the list) come back to bite us in the backside.

I'm not agreeing that this was the best decision to make. I'm trying to figure out exactly WHAT the graduate student could have done that would have been effective in the situation. The student was going to be screwed, regardless of what he did. However, since he cannot see into the future, he had no idea what impact the decision then would have had 10 years from then.

Everyone says "just call the cops", but I don't think that anyone here has ever seen the power that an athletic department has in a university - particularly a university that has a well respected program. It's really kind of scary, athletes and coaches get away with lots of things and while it's not of this magnitude, most of it does get swept under the carpet.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

So, i guess you are saying that in situations nobody should bother to do anything anyway? Or what are you saying?

No Snerdley. I'm not agreeing with this, I'm trying to explain the culture of why people respond the way that they do.

I don't know what EFFECTIVE move that the graduate student could have made. I have a good idea what would be an ineffective move though, but I don't think that anything that the graduate student could have done would have helped that boy in the shower.

This cover up happened from the President of the university on down through the athletic director and coach - all of which are positions of tremendous power.

[daisylu]

I have read half of the grand jury indictment, and it says that the 2002 incident was never reported to ANY police entity. The chain went grad student - Paterno - Curley(AD) - Schultz - Spanier(pres). Part of Schultz's position was overseeing campus police, but he admitted that there was never a report filed.

[Deleted]

mich, I graduated from a school with a decent (sometimes) Division I football team and yeah, it's downright scary how nuts people go over the sports program. It's not about playing while you study anymore - it's about corporate sponsorships, merchandising, and hefty alumni donations. And the ones in charge are only interested in keeping the money flowing...

[973beachbum]

Nov 11, 2011 9:24:47 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I find myself wondering what's to come of his education, his degree and his livelihood now. He's been told not to show up at the game. It's known who he is, what he saw and what he did about it. I doubt pretty seriously he's being held in high esteem by many at this point. Sometimes, the decisions we make in haste (especially, those which put us first and a 10-year-old child somewhere down the list) come back to bite us in the backside.

I'm not agreeing that this was the best decision to make. I'm trying to figure out exactly WHAT the graduate student could have done that would have been effective in the situation. The student was going to be screwed, regardless of what he did. However, since he cannot see into the future, he had no idea what impact the decision then would have had 10 years from then.

Everyone says "just call the cops", but I don't think that anyone here has ever seen the power that an athletic department has in a university - particularly a university that has a well respected program. It's really kind of scary, athletes and coaches get away with lots of things and while it's not of this magnitude, most of it does get swept under the carpet.

I would have found a baseball bat and beat Sandusky into a coma. I promise everyone it would have been totally effective at stopping him from ever raping anyone again.

I am also pretty sure campus police would have called the ambulance then.

[Bluerobin]

Are campus police actually police, or security guards? I don't think they have arrest powers and are not sworn officers of the law. At best they should only have detention powers. I don't think they have the same training as police. Anyone know for sure?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Are campus police actually police, or security guards? I don't think they have arrest powers and are not sworn officers of the law. At best they should only have detention powers. I don't think they have the same training as police. Anyone know for sure?

They're police, with police training. On the campus I work at, they are and likely Penn State too.

[mmhmm]

Nov 11, 2011 9:17:14 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

A call for an ambulance to take that child to the ER would not have been forwarded to campus police! Call the damned hospital and tell them to send an ambulance pronto. That's what one does. One doesn't tell one's daddy!

The child left with Sandusky. And yes, it would have been forwarded to campus police.

A college campus (with the college police) is their own little city in the middle of the city. I know, I work and live here and have observed how it works.

When you call 911, the cops are the first responder, then the ambulance. I called 911 a couple months ago on my neighbor when I thought she was ill/dead. It took the cops about 15 min to show up (long enough for maintenence to go to the shop, get a hacksaw and start sawing through the deadbolt thrown on my neighbor's door). The cops made it right before he got through. Ambulance showed up about 5 min later.

Do you know the hospital number off the top of your head?

Heh. Yes, I know the hospital number off the top of my head. I also have it on my refrigerator. I do realize most people won't know the number off the top of their heads, but it's not that hard to call information and get it. I also doubt very seriously that a report of a child being anally abused called in to 911 would result in anything less than an immediate dispatch of police. If it did, somebody else would be getting sued!