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Post by reformeddaytrader on Sept 9, 2011 8:48:03 GMT -5
What happpens next? Congress votes on the jobs bill? When? It will be debated, trashed, and diced for a few days and the Super Committee will then consider parts of it before the congress will decide what to do or not do.. Or congress can surprise us all and pass some part of the Obama Jobs Bill ASAP...so we shall see what we shall see in a few days
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Post by rockon on Sept 9, 2011 8:53:18 GMT -5
First of all there is no bill yet. It only has a title so far and some suggestions (demands) for what should be in it.
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Post by cme1201 on Sept 9, 2011 8:54:57 GMT -5
Tampa.... Tampa.... okay, I can respect that.... like my Jets they have been to the lowest of the low and the highest of the high..... at least your not a band wagon fan.... or a Cowboy fan (hahahaha)
I have been a fan since the creamsicle days!
I agree all President do make fiery speechs, no question about that.
MWCPA: Besides words, what has been put out there? For this to be his second non State of the Union, non Foreign Dignitary Joint Session speech before Congress, I expected more than words, he touted that he was Working on this jobs bill while on his August break where is the substance?
He is going to say what? It will be 10 days before he puts his ideas for paying for the program before Congress and the highly polarized Debt Commission. "And a week from Monday, I'll be releasing a more ambitious deficit plan - a plan that will not only cover the cost of this jobs bill, but stabilize our debt in the long run. President Obama Jobs debt paln speech 9/8/11".
He promised us in August when he got back we would have specifics, Where is the paper? Where is the meat a potatoes? I counted 13 times some form of the statement "Pass this Jobs plan/bill" yet no bill has yet to be offered, did we not learn fro the healthcare debates that we need to see a bill before we demand it be passed?
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Post by floridayankee on Sept 9, 2011 9:51:34 GMT -5
J ... E ... T ... S ... Jets! Jets! Jets! uh huh.....
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Sept 9, 2011 9:54:38 GMT -5
uh huh..... You are seeing the results of adults who were likely educated in NYC public schools...
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Post by mwcpa on Sept 9, 2011 9:58:48 GMT -5
CME.... I have not had a creamsicle in years.... as a life long Jet fan (well, when I was 8-9ish I did cheer for the Steelers to beat the Cowboys) I know the pain you have felt...
While there may have been only words in the speech the ball was clearly placed in the hands of Congress to act (Congress - well in recently history, their well funded lobbyists - drafts the meat and potatoes with lots of added Pork).... the President took the bull by the horns and said exactly what many of us feel.... stop the political bickering and get to work Mr. Boehner and Mr. Ried... put "we the people" before the powers that be at the DNC and RNC.... and the put "we the people" before the rich corporate interests.... it's about time this was said publicly....
Now, if and only if, Congress who writes the laws acts.... but I am not confident the idiots (my opinion) who lead the House and Senate will do what is right for the country or what is right for their party, the Fox News/MSNBC and the rest of the entertainment news news media bunch....
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Post by mwcpa on Sept 9, 2011 10:01:17 GMT -5
"uh huh.....
You are seeing the results of adults who were likely educated in NYC public schools..."
at one time one could "jest" about the JETS.... and based on the score noted.... the word "jest" was appropriate...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Sept 9, 2011 10:02:01 GMT -5
Now, if and only if, Congress who writes the laws acts.... but I am not confident the idiots (my opinion) who lead the House and Senate will do what is right for the country or what is right for their party, the Fox News/MSNBC and the rest of the entertainment news news media bunch....
I'd wager some serious dough that the 100s of special interest lobby groups watch the prez last night, and have been working over time on their strategy to get in on a piece of the action.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Sept 9, 2011 10:02:48 GMT -5
at one time one could "jest" about the JETS.... and based on the score noted.... the word "jest" was appropriate...
Only the 2nd quarter though...LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 10:04:39 GMT -5
did we not learn fro the healthcare debates that we need to see a bill before we demand it be passed?
I'm getting the feeling that Obama is like a lazy student. He tells the teacher what his research paper is on 2 weeks before he starts it.
Is he totally unable to write a bill & then present it to congress & the public? Does it somehow help him to describe what's in it publicly BEFORE he puts it on paper. IF for instance he is right (cough, cough) & this is the needed thing to get our economy going (better than sliced bread) then why can't he present it the same day that he talks about it? Why delay?
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Post by floridayankee on Sept 9, 2011 10:05:39 GMT -5
Tampa.... Tampa.... okay, I can respect that.... like my Jets they have been to the lowest of the low and the highest of the high..... at least your not a band wagon fan.... or a Cowboy fan (hahahaha)I have been a fan since the creamsicle days! I didn't become a Bucs fan until after moving here. Been a Patriots fan since the Steve Grogan days. I've watched Bucs / Pats games with the bucs jersey and the Pats Super Bowl hat (pick one, I have 'em all). People look at me a bit funny but who cares... I had a chance to go to the Bucs/Pats preseason game but I had to turn it down. The guy giving me his ticket....only....meaning I'd be going to the game with his wife and leaving mine at home. Right, that's a fight waiting to happen right there.
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Post by floridayankee on Sept 9, 2011 10:09:44 GMT -5
"uh huh..... You are seeing the results of adults who were likely educated in NYC public schools..." at one time one could "jest" about the JETS.... and based on the score noted.... the word "jest" was appropriate... Same with the Pats....took me leaving Dodge to get them to win a super bowl. 2002-2005 was a great 4 years with a pats, bucs, pats, pats super bowl wins. OK....NFL hijack over...back to Obama.
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Post by cme1201 on Sept 9, 2011 10:15:38 GMT -5
Tampa.... Tampa.... okay, I can respect that.... like my Jets they have been to the lowest of the low and the highest of the high..... at least your not a band wagon fan.... or a Cowboy fan (hahahaha)I have been a fan since the creamsicle days! I didn't become a Bucs fan until after moving here. Been a Patriots fan since the Steve Grogan days. I've watched Bucs / Pats games with the bucs jersey and the Pats Super Bowl hat (pick one, I have 'em all). People look at me a bit funny but who cares... I had a chance to go to the Bucs/Pats preseason game but I had to turn it down. The guy giving me his ticket....only....meaning I'd be going to the game with his wife and leaving mine at home. Right, that's a fight waiting to happen right there. I was there (at the age of 2) when the team went 0-14, I was there when they finally returned a kickoff for a touch down.
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Post by bean29 on Sept 9, 2011 10:19:32 GMT -5
Forbes analysis of the prez's speech: (click link for full text) www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/09/obamas-jobs-plan-great-theater-uncertain-policy/When you get right down to it, the jobs plan President Obama proposed before a joint session of Congress last night was built on three elements: A large payroll tax cut, lots of new spending on public infrastructure, and a promise that its $447 billion cost would be paid for with yet-to-be disclosed tax hikes and spending cuts. As political theater, the speech was terrific. It was a powerful defense of government—words his base has been longing to hear since the 2010 election. It challenged Republicans to “stop the political circus” and work with him to boost the economy—a poll-tested argument that appears to have strong support among many Americans. And the often dispassionate president sounded as if he really cared. As substance, his plan, called the American Jobs Act, combines the bold with small-bore, Bill Clinton-like subsidies for carefully selected interests. Mixing short-term stimulus with long-term deficit reduction is perfectly sensible. But did Obama get the right mix? By far his most ambitious idea is to extend through 2012 and expand the payroll tax cut that was due to expire at the end of this year. His plan, which would reduce federal revenues by $170 billion, would cut the worker share of the payroll tax to 3.1 percent from 4.2 percent (it was 6.2 percent prior to this year’s tax holiday). At the same time, it would cut the employer share to 3.1 percent from 6.2 percent on the first $5 million of payroll. Firms that add workers or give current employees raises would pay no wage tax on up to $50 million in new payroll. On the spending side, Obama would give $85 billion to state and local governments to, among other things, build and repair schools and hire (or rehire) teachers, spend $50 billion on transportation, create a $10 billion infrastructure bank, and spend $55 billion to extend unemployment benefits for another year and otherwise help the long-term jobless. So, if you are self employed your SS tax is reduced to 6.2%. Honestly I don't know weather to celebrate or cry. I rolled the last SS tax reduction into my 401K and imagine I will feel the need to do the same with this reduction. DH is self employed and it is really hard to pay those self employment taxes every year. If I just took the reduction one year I would really have a lot easier time of it, but I hate to go there because once you get used to living on more $$ it will be really hard to start saving again. No one has commented on how devastating this will be to the SS fund. It is already in the red. I have no confidence in this plan. I am not a Republican or a Democrat but I don't consider myself anti-obama. There is nothing here-- it is not a plan. It will cost us $$ but it will not fix anything. IMO if congress does nothing I am ok with it. It will be very damaging to implement this plan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 10:31:41 GMT -5
Even my super liberal local paper said it was a stump speech with no specifics.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Sept 9, 2011 11:53:06 GMT -5
Even my super liberal local paper said it was a stump speech with no specifics. Is this it?? Obama's jobs plan welcome, but details needed Friday, September 9, 2011 President Obama, who has been taking flak from the right and left, injected an edge to his voice in calling on Congress to rise above the "political circus" and do something to generate jobs. He was counting on the impatience to resonate with American voters, particularly independents, who have grown weary of watching Washington's partisan pettiness. His tone was robust, though his detail was lean on at least one critical point: How to pay for the estimated $450 billion package of tax cuts, aid to states and infrastructure spending. While the president insisted that "everything in this bill will be paid for," the only specific he offered was that Congress would need to ask its super committee to come up with cuts beyond the $1.5 trillion it is assigned to find by the end of the year. He also promised to soon release a more ambitious deficit-reduction plan. The speech further cemented the president's move to the center to try to change the dynamic in Washington. It was the right move, in both politics and policy. A nation that counts its growing deficit in the trillions is hardly in a position to take a big plunge into debt on a gamble that government spending is the ultimate route to recovery - as the more liberal factions of his party contend. The Republican plan of cut-cut-cut regulation and spending and shun all thought of tax increases runs the risk of starving the nation into another recession. Obama's willingness to lead the way on a middle course - especially with such vigor - is welcome indeed. He is unlikely to win approval for all his proposals, but as he tours the country, his ability to build enthusiasm for the package may well be linked to his persuasiveness in showing Americans that this is a more carefully crafted job-creation plan than the previous stimulus. "Pass this jobs bill," was his Thursday night refrain. Yes, the economy needs an infusion of help from Washington. But details matter - and, until they arrive, it would be premature to join the chorus. sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/09/EDHH1L1V4O.DTLThis article appeared on page A - 23 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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Post by diamonds on Sept 9, 2011 13:56:04 GMT -5
I did see the first part of the speech, but I had to walk away as his eyes darting from side to side reading the teleprompter was making me dizzy. Who the F is he addressing? Don't you look at the people in front of you and talk? I also spotted some his crooked enablers, Geithner, Trumpka, Pelosi, tax cheat and "sending all the jobs" to China, Jeffrey Immelt sitting with Michelle Obama. Right, we'll just shove some bill through and find out the details later. Just like Obama Care. I heard unemployment would be extended for another year. Ahhh, no worries, easier to keep paying people not to work then giving them jobs. Gee, when I was laid off from my job years ago, we received 6 weeks of unemployment and had to pay premiums through Cobra. Right, no choice but to find a job, even if it was minimum wage or move our of State for a job. Mr. President, we expected to see a light at the end of the tunnel by now, not your repetitive waffling.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Sept 9, 2011 18:22:53 GMT -5
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Sept 9, 2011 18:48:42 GMT -5
I'm sure it will add a lot of jobs, at nearly half a trillion you could pay 3million people 50k for 3 years to dig ditches, but that doesn't mean after 3 years the ditch diggers will have anything to do.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Sept 9, 2011 19:36:07 GMT -5
Adding 1.9 million new jobs will only decrease the 9.1 percent by a small fraction but doing nothing could result in an increase to the 9.1%... [/quote]Unemployment stands now at 9.1 percent and there are 14 million Americans currently out of work. Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63069.html#ixzz1XVOA3neg
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2011 20:20:21 GMT -5
I'm sure it will add a lot of jobs, at nearly half a trillion you could pay 3million people 50k for 3 years to dig ditches, but that doesn't mean after 3 years the ditch diggers will have anything to do. this is a very narrow argument, fc. those 1.9M people will pay taxes, and spend money, which will cause businesses like mine to hire (i am itching, believe me. i have plans!). what our economy needs is a jump start. once it gets it, there is a nice alternator to recharge the batteries. but if we keep playing this bulls*7t game of wallet sitting, we will spend a GENERATION in recession instead of just a few years. is that what everybody wants?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2011 20:22:54 GMT -5
Adding 1.9 million new jobs will only decrease the 9.1 percent by a small fraction but doing nothing could result in an increase to the 9.1%... Unemployment stands now at 9.1 percent and there are 14 million Americans currently out of work. Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63069.html#ixzz1XVOA3neg[/quote] 14/14 -1.9/14 = 12.1/14 = 0.86*9.1 = 7.9%, which is about the same as when Obama took office. i would call that significant. in fact, it is more jobs than Bush created in EIGHT YEARS.
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Post by ameiko on Sept 9, 2011 20:24:55 GMT -5
The Obama supporters make me laugh, especially how they take pot shots at Congress for not doing anything as well as labeling anyone who says "no" to Obama as obstructionists. Don't even get me started on Obama whining about partisanship and bickering when HE is the SINGLE MOST DIVISIVE FIGURE OUT THERE!
Mr. "We Won" Mr. "Elections have consequences" Mr. "Boot on the throat of BP" Mr. "Get in your neighbor's face" Mr. "Bring a gun to a knife fight", "Kicks some ass", "Get in the back of the bus", "It's all Bush's and the GOP's fault", etc...
The GOP doesn't want to work with Obama because they KNOW that he's an idiot and empty suit who is out of his depth and doesn't have a clue what to do.
He is also a man who keeps changing his promises. Right now he claims that he wants tax cuts for the middle class yet HE is the one who wanted to raise taxes on the middle class by not extending the Bush Tax cuts when he had a full Democrat Congress (remember, the tax cuts benefited more than the "rich"), demanding cap and trade (affects anyone who uses energy) and the higher premiums that Obamacare will create assuming that your employer doesn't simply drop coverage!
As for Congress doing something, well they DID something: pass two bills to cut spending and balance the budget. The Democrat Senate refused to consider it and Obama stated he would veto it anyway and here Obama is lecturing about a refusal to entertain bipartisanship and then chatises Congress as doing nothing?
What else does he seem to change his mind? How about how last year's "targeted tax cuts" become next year's "evil loop holes" that must be repealed, just like the private jet tax look IN HIS OWN STIMULUS BILL! No wonder why the GOP doesn't want to work with him: Obama will just campaign against his own bill again! Or they probably remember how he specifically requested language in a bill (I think it's the Dodd-Franks Bill) that allowed companies that received TARP to still give out bonuses only to LATER rally against it!
Or how he wants to give a tax credit for new hires that he has already in essence taxed employers with higher healthcare costs due to Obamacare! Or that he is for tax credits for "green" jobs and products yet his administration also whines that hybrids lead to lower gas tax receipts and thus propose highly invasive GPS sytems into vehicles (with a new and tax wasting beaucracy) to track where they go to support a new tax on mileage!
Revolving Door Obama, just go away!
This is nothing but a smaller version of the failed stimulus and it will fail just as badly, just as he will fail badly as we can only hope. Believe it or not, wishing him to fail is NOT the same as wishing the nation to fail. Any policy that he seeks to implement will only take us deeper into debt, further away from prosperity, and closer to soul crushing tyranny.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2011 20:25:00 GMT -5
I did see the first part of the speech, but I had to walk away as his eyes darting from side to side reading the teleprompter was making me dizzy. Who the F is he addressing? i have a suggestion for you: listen to the radio, instead.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2011 20:26:45 GMT -5
The Obama supporters make me laugh, especially how they take pot shots at Congress for not doing anything as well as labeling anyone who says "no" to Obama as obstructionists. Don't even get me started on Obama whining about partisanship and bickering when HE is the SINGLE MOST DIVISIVE FIGURE OUT THERE! really? more divisive than Cantor? more divisive than Maxine Waters? more divisive than Jeremiah Wright? more divisive than Pat Robertson? ameko- do you want to be taken seriously? then please. get real.
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Post by ameiko on Sept 9, 2011 20:26:55 GMT -5
Given Moody's break with S&P over our credit level as well as their ties to Obama's friend Buffet, anything positive they say about Obama and his ilk is HIGHLY suspect. Also, how many of those jobs will be temporary, gone once the government stops paying for them? We do not need those types of jobs but instead self-sustaining ones that produce a good that someone else is willing to pay for. The government hiring more people by stealing money from those who truly produce wealth will not work. Indeed, how many jobs will be lost because the wealthy will not invest due to higher tax rates or not spend because their money is confiscated. The government tried a yacht tax and all it did was destroy the boat building industry. Heck, we already know that Obama destroyed many jobs when he thoughtlessly shut down drilling operations there after the BP issue and his government was VEEEERY slow in allowing them come back up. Some rigs actually left the Gulf of Mexico to go elsewhere. Obama is a job and wealth destroyer, an egotistical brat who thinks he is a king. One term and done and that is STILL one term too much!
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2011 20:32:42 GMT -5
Given Moody's break with S&P over our credit level as well as their ties to Obama's friend Buffet, anything positive they say about Obama and his ilk is HIGHLY suspect. (cue clara rockmore theremin solo)
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Post by ameiko on Sept 9, 2011 20:37:47 GMT -5
The Obama supporters make me laugh, especially how they take pot shots at Congress for not doing anything as well as labeling anyone who says "no" to Obama as obstructionists. Don't even get me started on Obama whining about partisanship and bickering when HE is the SINGLE MOST DIVISIVE FIGURE OUT THERE! really? more divisive than Cantor? more divisive than Maxine Waters? more divisive than Jeremiah Wright? more divisive than Pat Robertson? ameko- do you want to be taken seriously? then please. get real. If you want to be taken seriously, then get intelligent. The individuals you mentioned might say some pretty outrageous things now and then but in terms of overall impact, there is NO question that Obama due: 1. his frequent use of violent rhetoric, class warfare, race baiting, and slander of opponents 2. his arrogance and contempt for anyone who disagree with him. 3. as well as his tolerance of violence by his allies as seen by his refusal to condemn violent rhetoric by the unions even when he is speaking as the same event as Hoffa was when he said he wanted to go after the SOB's 4. his access to media and coverage by them Put it all together and he sows far, far more division than anyone that you mentioned. Sure, morons like Waters say some outrageous things but usually they go unnoticed or unreported or simply given little credence. Not so with Obama whose every tirade, tantrum, and tongue-lashing receive world wide coverage. Seriously, think before you post man.
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Post by ameiko on Sept 9, 2011 20:40:06 GMT -5
Given Moody's break with S&P over our credit level as well as their ties to Obama's friend Buffet, anything positive they say about Obama and his ilk is HIGHLY suspect. (cue clara rockmore theremin solo) Will someone please let me know when DJLungrot actually has something intelligent to say? I'm getting tired of all my opponents stooping to either ad hominen attacks or deflections in their sad and ineffective attempts to counter my positions. Wow, for a true and worthy contender. Oh well, back to writing!
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Post by Don Perignon on Sept 9, 2011 20:47:50 GMT -5
Find a way to make gasoline cheaper by $1 per gallon. THAT will energize the economy.
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