wyouser
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Post by wyouser on Aug 10, 2011 12:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Aug 10, 2011 13:21:12 GMT -5
I do not look at this so much as a shift in military power, so much as a shift in the type of jobs available.
Building military hardware requires highly educated and well paid engineers and highly paid union labor.
We want to cut the military budget, and put more and more funding to social service safety net programs and grow that sector. The social services sector employees social workers which are at the very bottom of the pay scale.
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wyouser
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Post by wyouser on Aug 10, 2011 14:16:35 GMT -5
If you are old enough to remember the "Weekly Reader" from the 60's, I recall the articles when Great Britain announced the withdrawl of her carriers from SE Asia. We stepped in at that time to fill the void. Will it be the turn of the chinese in future years to make sure commerce continues to flow through those shipping lanes? I mean their ships use those routes too. Is it a bad thing, a good thing? Just wondereing about others thoughts.
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 10, 2011 16:15:29 GMT -5
This is their first..they purchased it from one of the newish nations set up after the fall of the Soviet Union as the soviet union.., to expensive for them to finish it, sold for $20 million..supposedly as a gambling ship in macoa , a front for the Chinese Government..it was built in 1990 or so..they towed it 28,000 miles to China and have been working on it since... The Chinese are going to build two to four more , Carrier, over the years, it will take at least ten years to build the corresponding rest of the fleet that goes with one of these as a task force .. Hope we don't go into panic mode now as if the sky is falling...China is a power both economically and militarily..so aren't we.. |
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Post by wyouser on Aug 11, 2011 11:17:48 GMT -5
Yes it was purchased from the Ukranians unfinished and towed to China. Still, the question, is it a good thing, or a bad one? It is expensive for us to maintain a fleet of 13 carriers. It is in Chinese interests to keep sea lanes open in their corner of the world. Does this mean they take over patrolling in the trade routes in SE Asia? (There is a pirate problem there too just like off the coast of Somalia) Or does this indicate a threat to US interests in the future?
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 11, 2011 12:24:34 GMT -5
Yes it was purchased from the Ukranians unfinished and towed to China. Still, the question, is it a good thing, or a bad one? It is expensive for us to maintain a fleet of 13 carriers. It is in Chinese interests to keep sea lanes open in their corner of the world. Does this mean they take over patrolling in the trade routes in SE Asia? (There is a pirate problem there too just like off the coast of Somalia) Or does this indicate a threat to US interests in the future? I wonder and have no expertise on the matter by the way, but as countries develop missiles designed just for sea attacks, launching from submarines, smaller combat ships hundreds of miles from the target, with over head surveillance by satellites, able to locate them, if the carriers with all their defenses..are just to vulnerable when confronted by modern foes and the modern weapons of today and tomorrow... If they are not to vulnerable to the new tactics today, similar to the Maginou Line in France, just by passed and the French Troops just had to sit there till the Germans were finished with their destruction of the armies facing them and then turned their sights on them, and as we did in WW2, isand hopping across the Pacific, taking those Islands needed for air fields and leaving the rest of the Islands filled with Japanese troops to starve as we by passed them.. |
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Post by jkapp on Aug 11, 2011 15:52:11 GMT -5
Is the carrier made out of the same cheap plastic as everything else made in China?  |
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Post by Driftr on Aug 11, 2011 15:56:44 GMT -5
Is the carrier made out of the same cheap plastic as everything else made in China? No. They're keeping it, not selling it to us. |
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Post by wyouser on Aug 11, 2011 16:07:00 GMT -5
Pravda RU had pictures of it when it was sold to china a couple years ago...judging from all the rust in the photo there was no plastic outside. As I reecall, the Russians were PO'd about it as somehow it ended up in the Ukraines hands when the USSR broke up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 17:07:14 GMT -5
Thoughts?,
Thoughts, sure. China was stupid in building one. All they had to do was ask President Obama & he would have sold ours to them. After all he does need the money for Obamacare.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 11, 2011 19:39:47 GMT -5
It would not surprise me if China did not have a buyer for that carrier after the sea trials. Logisticall they have aircraft capability to keep the sea lanes open without a carrier. It takes a long time to train crews and pilots for carrier duty.
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