When his teleprompter doesn't prompt him then what

[henryclay]

Obama went to the Washington Navy Yard Friday to make a speech about hiring veterans. Here's how it started out:

exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

[Virgil Showlion]

It seemed like they were waiting for something expected--presumably that call at 1:20. Let's get ugo to dig up... "The Ressht of the Shtory".

[henryclay]

Virgil, the rest of the story was simple. The teleprompter started, , , you see it in the video , , , and he delivered his speech. But it apparently wasn't received as well as he might have hoped.

It goes somethiong like this:

Politically, this is a shrewd move. After all, who would be opposed to tax credits? Who would be opposed to helping veterans? Put them together and you have a combination that cannot be touched without political repercussions. Anyone who opposed the tax credits immediately be labeled “un-patriotic.” Obama can stand there and say “see? I was doing something to help businesses hire!”

But was he?

To answer that, we need to look at the White House’s “Fact Sheet: President Obama’s Commitment to Employing America’s Veterans.”

Amongst the “facts” is this little nugget:

These veterans tend to be young and many worked in sectors that were among the hardest hit by the recession. Post-9/11 veterans were more likely to be employed in mining, construction, manufacturing, transportation and utilities—all industries that experienced significant drops in employment during 2008-2009.
We agree with the proposition that those industries were hit hard, but who was doing the hitting?

New mining regulations passed under the Obama administration has dramatically hurt mining companies.

Utilities are under attack from the EPA.

Regulations on manufacturing from the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the EPA, and OSHA have pushed manufacturers out of the country.

Under Obama, businesses such as Boeing are sued by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for legally expanding.

When you combine the onerous regulations, the lawsuits, taxes, and Obamacare, one has to understand that people cannot find jobs because the policies of Obama and the Democrats are killing those industries.

Apparently some people think Obama has the unique ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth at once. (_{And he apparently has the misconception that nobody notices.})

raisedonhoecakes.com/ROH/2011/08/07/still-clueless-obama-and-his-teleprompter-advocate-tax-cuts-for-hiring-military-veterans/

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...reminds me of Whatsherface Simpson on SNL with that miscued song track...

[Virgil Showlion]

I've found nothing anywhere to back up the claim that the wait was due to a teleprompter failure. That isn't "proof" per se that a teleprompter wasn't the cause, but if a teleprompter malfunction was the cause, I'd fully expect an 80-second dead pause by Pres. Obama to pick up some genuine media attention.

[djAdvocate]

1) i am not going to look at anything from a blog called exposingliberallies.
2) can't we think of something better to hammer Obama over than "telemprompters"?

[henryclay]

I can't verify it either, Virgil. Maybe he was waiting for a 21 gun salute. It was a military base, after all, and he would be afforded the gun salute as normal protocol.

[privateinvestor]

Aug 9, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) i am not going to look at anything from a blog called exposingliberallies.
2) can't we think of something better to hammer Obama over than "telemprompters"?

OK how about the speech Obama gave yesterday to quell the panic in the stock markets???

He is getting a lot of criticism by the market gurus who thought he gave a very bad speech and today the Federal Reserve had to bail out Obama by trying to quell the fears in the stock and bond markets by saying they will keep interest rates low for the next few years and that they also think the economic slowdown is a reality which is different from what Obama has been saying that things are getting better or we just hit a bump in the road from his teleprompter

[henryclay]

Well, dog my cats. Who woulda thunk it. Just as a whim I did a google search for "Navy Yard August 5, 2011 21 gun salute", and look what turned up:

freedomslighthouse.net/tag/wahington-navy-yard/

The original video was a Fox News segment, too. I wonder what they had to say about it. But if it actually WAS a 21 gun salute that he was waiting for, why wasn't he returning the honor by standing at attention while it was being rendered?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 9, 2011 16:24:23 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Aug 9, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) i am not going to look at anything from a blog called exposingliberallies.
2) can't we think of something better to hammer Obama over than "telemprompters"?

OK how about the speech Obama gave yesterday to quell the panic in the stock markets???

if we are to use today as a standard for judging it, pretty well.

but i stopped listening to Obama in January.

[Virgil Showlion]

We solved the mystery, Henry.

[henryclay]

It looks that way, Virgil, but I'll have to hold my judgement a bit longer.

If it really was a cannon salute, everybody in uniform, and the honoree, would be standing at attention, and the salute would include a comment of acknowledgement from the honoree, which is the opposite of what is evident in the video. But with Obama "anything" regarding military protocol is out the window.

[cereb]

Oh look...Telepromtergate!

[Virgil Showlion]

Who knows what actually happened though. You might have had Jay Carney telling the President that the networks were ready for his address and he should take the podium, then whoops! an admiral decides that's the opportune time to start the salute. Obama has been standing up there waiting for the ribald to die down, realizes that there are shots being fired in the distance, mentions to the crowd that he's waiting for the salute to end.

By that time he knows from the camera lights that he's been on air for ten seconds. He knows it will look ridiculous if he suddenly stiffens up and stands at attention--as though he suddenly "figured out" that a battalion of navy officers is firing off a 21-gun salute. So he stands quietly, at ease, knowing full well that the viewing public are basically watching him blink, and that he's got to fire off his address as soon as possible to make up for a minute of lost airtime. He's not going to dare speak during the salute, though, which would be disrespectful.

Altogether, it's possible he just found himself in a sticky situation and he did what he felt was most tactful. It's obvious that something was wrong with the timing, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 9, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) i am not going to look at anything from a blog called exposingliberallies.
2) can't we think of something better to hammer Obama over than "telemprompters"?

1) No, but you'll gladly post from "fliterednews"

2) I believe he was being hammered on this thread for the teleprompter, AND for being disingenuous to veterans because his policies are killing the very industries veterans tend to go to work in.

Thank you for playing.

[mmhmm]

Aug 9, 2011 19:15:42 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Who knows what actually happened though. You might have had Jay Carney telling the President that the networks were ready for his address and he should take the podium, then whoops! an admiral decides that's the opportune time to start the salute. Obama has been standing up there waiting for the ribald to die down, realizes that there are shots being fired in the distance, mentions to the crowd that he's waiting for the salute to end.

By that time he knows from the camera lights that he's been on air for ten seconds. He knows it will look ridiculous if he suddenly stiffens up and stands at attention--as though he suddenly "figured out" that a battalion of navy officers is firing off a 21-gun salute. So he stands quietly, at ease, knowing full well that the viewing public are basically watching him blink, and that he's got to fire off his address as soon as possible to make up for a minute of lost airtime. He's not going to dare speak during the salute, though, which would be disrespectful.

Altogether, it's possible he just found himself in a sticky situation and he did what he felt was most tactful. It's obvious that something was wrong with the timing, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Me, too, Virgil. I think we've all been caught in such "sticky situations" from time to time. You just do the best you can and take the hits. Sadly, too few are willing to put themselves in another's shoes for a moment and imagine all the possibilities.

[henryclay]

I have had egg on my face before, and I will have egg on my face again. It's a learning process.

21 gun salutes are rendered to heads of state only. Obama fits that category. But they are rendered upon arrival, not at some later event. The salute from start to finish takes about 2 and a half minutes. During the salute military observers, and certainly everyone in uniform, , , , and customarily the honoree, (in respect to the honor being rendered), , , , , stand at attention. It is not a choice of our military as to whether they stand at attention during a 21 gun salute to our president. There were uniformed officers behind Obama in the video, Among them was at least one Admiral and one Marine Corps General. NOBODY was acting like they would be expected to act while the president was receiving a 21 gun salute.

It comes to my mind how Obama greeted some other heads of state. He kissed their hand. In the case of the Queen of England he jumped the gun and blew both a toast to the Queen and the British version of Hail to the Chief.

So the best way to resolve it is to ask people who would know what happened. I have already taken the liberty of asking. It may take a few days to get a response, and I may not even get one, but I have asked. If I get permission I'll post whatever I get back. In any event I'll post the gist of whatever I get.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 9, 2011 21:18:34 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 9, 2011 16:13:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) i am not going to look at anything from a blog called exposingliberallies.
2) can't we think of something better to hammer Obama over than "telemprompters"?

1) No, but you'll gladly post from "fliterednews"

i believe you are lying, Paul. i rarely post articles at all. when i do, i generally choose FOX or some other outlet that is perceived as right wing.