Another London riot

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Our future?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riot-Mark-Duggan-shooting-sparked-police-beating-girl.html

[pappyjohn99]

I believe so/

[Phoenix84]

I don't think so. This riot makes no sense, why would people loot and attack police to protest the death of one man? Wheather the death was accidental or not, I just don't see what they were trying to accomplish. It doesn't make sense, but riots typically aren't driven by logical reasons.

[Phoenix84]

I agree with you toughtimes, I still just have a hard time understanding the motivation to riot. "I'm mad as Hell about the wrongful death for someone I didn't even know, so I'm going to go loot and pillage businesses who had nothing to do with what I'm mad about and and attack people and property who had nothing to do with what I'm mad about."

I mean, if we're going to riot, why not storm the capital building or white house? At least then we have a reason to be mad and are directing our anger towards the right people.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 8, 2011 9:05:35 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I agree with you toughtimes, I still just have a hard time understanding the motivation to riot. "I'm mad as Hell about the wrongful death for someone I didn't even know, so I'm going to go loot and pillage businesses who had nothing to do with what I'm mad about and and attack people and property who had nothing to do with what I'm mad about."

I mean, if we're going to riot, why not storm the capital building or white house? At least then we have a reason to be mad and are directing our anger towards the right people.

Usually it is not a singular but an accumulation of events (whatever they may be) which eventually leads to a riot.

A pot of water placed on a cold stove top doesn't immediately come to a rolling boil.

[floridayankee]

Aug 8, 2011 0:56:41 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

This riot makes no sense, why would people loot and attack police to protest the death of one man? Wheather the death was accidental or not, I just don't see what they were trying to accomplish. It doesn't make sense, but riots typically aren't driven by logical reasons.

Riots rarely do make sense. Remember the '92 riots over the Rodney King verdict? They rioted for nearly a week in LA over a simple acquittal.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 8, 2011 9:14:22 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Aug 8, 2011 0:56:41 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

This riot makes no sense, why would people loot and attack police to protest the death of one man? Wheather the death was accidental or not, I just don't see what they were trying to accomplish. It doesn't make sense, but riots typically aren't driven by logical reasons.

Riots rarely do make sense. Remember the '92 riots over the Rodney King verdict? They rioted for nearly a week in LA over a simple acquittal.

I would venture to guess floridayankee the reason for the '92 riots were not as simple as you state. The verdict was simply the tipping point.

[Tennesseer]

Post-riot commentary

In addition to the immediate trigger of the Rodney King verdicts, a range of other factors were cited as reasons for the unrest. Specific anger over the sentence given to Korean American shop-owner Soon Ja Du for the fatal shooting of black teenager Latasha Harlins was pointed to as a potential reason for the riots, particularly for aggression toward Korean Americans. Publications such as Newsweek and Time suggested that the source of these racial antagonisms was derived from perceptions amongst blacks that Korean-American merchants were taking money out of their community and refusing to hire blacks to work in their shops. According to this view, these tensions were intensified when Du was sentenced to five years probation but no jail time after a jury convicted her of manslaughter. [42][43]

Another explanation which was offered for the riots was the extremely high unemployment among the residents of South Central Los Angeles, which had been hit very hard by the nation-wide recession, [44] and the high levels of poverty there. [45] Articles in the Los Angeles Times and New York Times linked the economic deterioration of South Central to the declining living conditions of the residents, and suggested that local resentments about these conditions helped to fuel the riots. [46][47][48][49][50]

Social commentator Mike Davis pointed to the growing economic disparity in Los Angeles in the years leading up to the riots caused by corporate restructuring and government deregulation, with inner-city residents bearing the brunt of these changes. Such conditions engendered a widespread feeling of frustration and powerlessness in the urban populace, with the King verdicts eventually setting off their resentments in a violent expression of collective public protest. [51][52] To Davis and other writers, the tensions witnessed between African-Americans and Korean-Americans during the unrest was as much to do with the economic competition forced on the two groups by wider market forces, as with either cultural misunderstandings or blacks angered about the killing of Harlins.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

[floridayankee]

Aug 8, 2011 9:19:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 8, 2011 9:14:22 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Riots rarely do make sense. Remember the '92 riots over the Rodney King verdict? They rioted for nearly a week in LA over a simple acquittal.

I would venture to guess floridayankee the reason for the '92 riots were not as simple as you state. The verdict was simply the tipping point.

I realize that....does it make any more sense if we make it "less simple"?

To expand, let's take something simpler...San Francisco rioted in the streets Monday night after the Giants beat the Texas Rangers 3-1 in Game 5, winning the 2010 World Series.

I'll stand by my comment....Riots rarely do make sense.

[floridayankee]

Aug 8, 2011 9:27:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Post-riot commentary

Ok....and? Does beating, burning and looting innocent people / businesses suddenly make more sense now? I sure don't think so.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 8, 2011 9:52:34 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Aug 8, 2011 9:27:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Post-riot commentary

Ok....and? Does beating, burning and looting innocent people / businesses suddenly make more sense now? I sure don't think so.

I hope you don't believe I am condoning the '92 L.A or any other rioting. I don't. I am am simply stating the reason for the L.A. riot was not just the "simple acquittal" as you stated. Mob mentality and rioting is far more complex.

[floridayankee]

Aug 8, 2011 10:15:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I hope you don't believe I am condoning the '92 L.A or any other rioting. I don't. I am am simply stating the reason for the L.A. riot was not just the "simple acquittal" as you stated. Mob mentality and rioting is far more complex.

I don't believe you're condoning the riots at all Tenn. I realize that the King beating was simply the final straw. Nevertheless, it was the acquittal that sparked the it. Had the King incident not happened, who knows...the riots may have never happened.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 8, 2011 0:56:41 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I don't think so. This riot makes no sense, why would people loot and attack police to protest the death of one man? Wheather the death was accidental or not, I just don't see what they were trying to accomplish. It doesn't make sense, but riots typically aren't driven by logical reasons.

It happens all the time. We had riots here because the police shot and killed a Honduran youth for playing dice in the park. Shot him four times, at point-blank range. You can't really blame people for being upset.