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Post by magichat on Aug 7, 2011 17:15:07 GMT -5
What are the chances it was brought down with a relic stinger missile leftover when the Afghanis were our friends?
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Post by henryclay on Aug 7, 2011 17:31:20 GMT -5
I still remember when national security included having a respect for the people and purposes of the term, "national security". I still remember being told that for 4 years during WWII the Atomic Bomb was being developed when Harry Truman was a Senator from Missouri and Vice President, but he only learned about it after Roosevelt was dead and just 3 months before it was tested and he used it to end the war. I still remember when I didn't even know there WAS a SEAL TEAM 6. And the way I found out about it was through the "Freedom-of-Speech-is-not-limited-to-the-masses" idiocy Obama began to display on the night of May 30th to announce the sucsess of the Osama bin Laden raid. Not taking enough undeserved glory for having been made privy to the raid and able to watch some of it unfold, and in order to enhance his part of the mission, he continues to exploit the most secret security forces of the nation by inviting a team of Hollywood movie makers to people, places and events that he may not even qualify to be part of. And now 23 SEALS and 7 of their Afghan counterparts, are dead, with terrorists claiming to have shot them out of the sky. What else will this madman cost the country before he leaves? Read this quote slowly and let the ramifications sink in. HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MAKERS are enlisted to prop up Obama's image at the risk of national security and people's lives. The article was published the very day the SEAL TEAM 6 helicopter went down and the terrorists took credit for it. The White House is also counting on the Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal big-screen version of the killing of bin Laden to counter Obama's growing reputation as ineffectual.
The Sony film by the Oscar-winning pair who made "The Hurt Locker" will no doubt reflect the president's cool, gutsy decision against shaky odds. Just as Obamaland was hoping, the movie is scheduled to open on Oct. 12, 2012 — perfectly timed to give a home-stretch boost to a campaign that has grown tougher.
The moviemakers are getting top-level access to the most classified mission in history from an administration that has tried to throw more people in jail for leaking classified information than the Bush administration.
It was clear that the White House had outsourced the job of manning up the president's image to Hollywood when Boal got welcomed to the upper echelons of the White House and the Pentagon and showed up recently — to the surprise of some military officers — at a CIA ceremony celebrating the hero SEALs www.startribune.com/opinion/otherviews/127067228.html |
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Post by magichat on Aug 7, 2011 17:32:19 GMT -5
Spamming now Henry, that is rather unbecoming of you.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2011 18:12:02 GMT -5
Henry, I removed the thread you were unable to delete. I hope that was okay.  magichat, if you have a problem with Henry's posts, please let one of the moderators know what your problem is and where we can find the offending post(s). |
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Post by cereb on Aug 7, 2011 18:25:48 GMT -5
"Not taking enough undeserved glory for having been made privy to the raid and able to watch some of it unfold, and in order to enhance his part of the mission, he continues to exploit the most secret security forces of the nation by inviting a team of Hollywood movie makers to people, places and events that he may not even qualify to be part of. And now 23 SEALS and 7 of their Afghan counterparts, are dead, with terrorists claiming to have shot them out of the sky.
What else will this madman cost the country before he leaves? Read this quote slowly and let the ramifications sink in. HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MAKERS are enlisted to prop up Obama's image at the risk of national security and people's lives. The article was published the very day the SEAL TEAM 6 helicopter went down and the terrorists took credit for it."
Henry, your link to the cited opinion piece doesn't work. No loss though, since what you did quote from the piece is some of the craziest shit I have read in awhile, of course leaving out the other crazy shit that people leave here on a daily basis.
Apparently the "author" of said ahem...opinion piece is completely unaware that the POTUS is also Commander in Chief of our defense service branches and is entitled to full knowledge of any and all operations.
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Post by henryclay on Aug 7, 2011 18:25:52 GMT -5
Thanks, mmhmm. I appreciate your cleaning up the board for me. As soon as I saw there was a thread on the Chinook fatalities I moved my post and was actually hoping someone would delete the thread I had started on it.
cereb, I think I fixed the "s***" for you. And I agree simply because it is a Maureen Dowd article. You DO know who Maureen Dowd is, don't you? Of course she had it in the hopper BEFORE the Chinook was shot down and 30 of our security people were killed. But the unmitigated breach of security was on Obama's hands long enough ahead of that for a shoot-down effort to be organized out of the breach. It remains to be seen what else has been compromised by Obama's witless opening up to Hollywood.
Yes, I am more than fully aware of the dictatorial powers of the presidency. But he is coming down as the ONLY person in his chain of Command that shows NO respect for the hazards, relationships necessary, or work conditions and lives of our young men and women in uniform.
I wonder if Maureen Dowd, (and other people, too), will be as lauditory of Obama when it eventually comes out as to how many young Americans have lost their lives because they have had him as their Commander in Chief.
Is giving Hollywood movie makers access to CIA, Pentagon and SEAL team operations people any better than just inviting the enemy out of hand?
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Post by cereb on Aug 7, 2011 20:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2011 20:40:43 GMT -5
You're welcome, Henry. Glad I could help and that my doing so didn't offend. |
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 7, 2011 21:36:17 GMT -5
I don't know at what elevation the CH-47 was at but at lower altitudes it is not hard to hit. it is a big lumbering chopper that is used to carry large loads and for a sholder fired missle at low altitude you don't have to be a crack shot to hit it.
Sad set of circumstances for families and all people on board.
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Post by magichat on Aug 8, 2011 7:08:53 GMT -5
So Henry any comment on what your hero Reagan did to those military personell on that Chinook?
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 8, 2011 8:31:00 GMT -5
So Magichat what has Reagan got to do with it?
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Post by ugonow on Aug 8, 2011 8:51:07 GMT -5
Is the same crowd that screamed for the release of bin Ladens bloody picture now crying that Obama caused this because of a movie?
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Post by magichat on Aug 8, 2011 8:59:43 GMT -5
So Magichat what has Reagan got to do with it? The traitorus piece of garbage provided stinger missiles to the Afghanis which probably took down the chopper that killed so many guys. |
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 8, 2011 9:08:48 GMT -5
It's a cover-up. Seal team six is going dark. It's true. The black helicopter told me  |
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 8, 2011 10:15:17 GMT -5
Magichat that is highly questionable reasoning. On the black market shoulder fired missiles of all types are available to those with contacts and money on the black market. They have even found the drug cartels in Mexico had bought some confiscated in a raid that came through South America. Did Reagan provide them also?
Keep in mind that most shoulder fired missiles are refereed to as stingers but not always American made.
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Post by ugonow on Aug 8, 2011 10:19:37 GMT -5
Anyone here post the theory that Obama had them killed as part of the operation to keep it secret? It is out there and gaining steam among the conspiricy fans...........
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 8, 2011 10:31:44 GMT -5
Those conspiricy fans need to get a life. That is as sick thinking as Magichats blaming Reagan..
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Post by magichat on Aug 8, 2011 10:43:39 GMT -5
Those conspiricy fans need to get a life. That is as sick thinking as Magichats blaming Reagan.. Nice personal attack there... So what would have happened if Reagan in all of his dimensia reasoning didn't help out the afghanis? I doubt we would even be there. Unintended consequences make me sick. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 8, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
Those conspiricy fans need to get a life. That is as sick thinking as Magichats blaming Reagan.. Nice personal attack there... So what would have happened if Reagan in all of his dimensia reasoning didn't help out the afghanis? I doubt we would even be there. Unintended consequences make me sick. Yea but you forgot to mention that it was during the Jimmy Carter Administration that the CIA began to send arms to the so called Afghan Freedom Fighters who were taking on the Russians in Afghanistan...does Carter get a pass and then you just want to demean and degrade Reagan again??? We lost 30 of our best and brightest in Afghanistan when the chopper was downed by a Rocket Propelled Granade and how anyone can turn this tragedy into bashing Reagan is very troubling but not too unexpected I guess when you consider the source... |
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Post by magichat on Aug 8, 2011 12:03:16 GMT -5
Nice personal attack there... So what would have happened if Reagan in all of his dimensia reasoning didn't help out the afghanis? I doubt we would even be there. Unintended consequences make me sick. Yea but you forgot to mention that it was during the Jimmy Carter Administration that the CIA began to send arms to the so called Afghan Freedom Fighters who were taking on the Russians in Afghanistan...does Carter get a pass and then you just want to demean and degrade Reagan again??? We lost 30 of our best and brightest in Afghanistan when the chopper was downed by a Rocket Propelled Granada and how anyone can turn this tragedy into bashing Reagan is very troubling but not too unexpected I guess when you consider the source... Carter doesn't get a pass, he was a piece of shit too. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 8, 2011 12:10:52 GMT -5
Yea but you forgot to mention that it was during the Jimmy Carter Administration that the CIA began to send arms to the so called Afghan Freedom Fighters who were taking on the Russians in Afghanistan...does Carter get a pass and then you just want to demean and degrade Reagan again??? We lost 30 of our best and brightest in Afghanistan when the chopper was downed by a Rocket Propelled Granade and how anyone can turn this tragedy into bashing Reagan is very troubling but not too unexpected I guess when you consider the source... Carter doesn't get a pass, he was a piece of shit too. RPGs have been provided to the Taliban in Afghanistan by several countries and I doubt that they are still using the old ones from the Russia vs Afghanistan war... |
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Post by magichat on Aug 8, 2011 12:12:45 GMT -5
Carter doesn't get a pass, he was a piece of shit too. RPGs have been provided to the Taliban in Afghanistan by several countries and I doubt that they are still using the old ones from the Russia vs Afghanistan war... I don't trust the government explanation of an RPG. I still think it was something more like a stinger. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 8, 2011 12:26:40 GMT -5
Obama is about to speak to our loss in the Afghan and hopefully he will not play politics for this tragedy which is a sad time for our Navy Seals and the Military in the Afghan.....IMHO which is where our focus should be and not on Reagan or Carter which is absurd In June, Aaron Vaughn and his wife cherished their all-too-brief time together when the Navy SEAL was home for the birth of their daughter. On Tuesday, Vaughn will return home for the final time. He was part of a group of 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, who were killed by Taliban fighters in Afghanistan on Saturday. It is the highest single-day amount of U.S. casualties in Afghanistan, the most since 16 soldiers were killed on June 28, 2005. Vaughn’s wife, Kimberly, and his parents, Billy and Karen, spoke with TODAY’s Matt Lauer on Monday, remembering a husband and son who loved God, his country and his family. Kimberly was particularly grateful for the short time they had together in June for the birth of their daughter, Chamberlyn. today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44056945/ns/today-today_people/t/navy-seals-widow-we-were-blessed-be-together/?GT1=43001 |
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 10, 2011 8:35:25 GMT -5
This message has been deleted. Duplicate again from slowness, I guess??
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 10, 2011 8:36:20 GMT -5
Strike kills insurgents who downed chopper - US military chief in Afghanistan
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WASHINGTON — An air strike by NATO-led forces in Afghanistan killed Taliban fighters, including a local leader, who were responsible for a weekend helicopter crash that killed 38 troops, the worst single incident in 10 years of war.
"The strike killed Taliban leader Mullah Mohibullah and the insurgent who fired the shot associated with the Aug. 6 downing of the CH-47 helicopter, which resulted in the deaths of 38 Afghan and coalition service members," the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force said in a statement.
The statement did not say explicitly that the Taliban fighters had shot the helicopter down, although it was the clearest indication yet that was the likely cause.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 10, 2011 8:43:46 GMT -5
Anyone here post the theory that Obama had them killed as part of the operation to keep it secret? It is out there and gaining steam among the conspiricy fans........... Hmmn, was Bin Laden actually assassinated? Or is he in Guantanamo? |
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Post by magichat on Aug 10, 2011 8:50:10 GMT -5
Anyone here post the theory that Obama had them killed as part of the operation to keep it secret? It is out there and gaining steam among the conspiricy fans........... Hmmn, was Bin Laden actually assassinated? Or is he in Guantanamo? It was my understanding that while the guys on the helicopter were part of Seal Team 6, none of them had taken part in the Bin Laden raid. |
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