I'm on Rose's side. Her age is her business.

[henryclay]

And I think her idea for a birthday card to Obama is just about right, too.



www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44037919/ns/us_news/?gt1=43001#.Tj6S9FvdKSo

[dancinmama]

I think she looks pretty darn good for 75!!

[mmhmm]

I read this article a couple of days ago, Henry. She really does look great for having lived 75 years, and seems to be in full control of her faculties! I had to chuckle, considering those big, bad F16s didn't scare her one bit. She just thought they wanted to get a closer look at Winston, the brightly colored Piper Cub! I wonder if it's named after Winston Churchill ... ;D

I do hope there are no ramifications for her. She may have made a mistake, but she certainly meant no harm.

*I'm not going to move this to EE because there is a little bit of a political connection, and we can use a smile we can all share around here!*

[privateinvestor]

Aug 7, 2011 8:51:48 GMT -5 dancinmama said:

I think she looks pretty darn good for 75!!

Yea but don't forget that men age better than women do....check it out...

Men don't have to deal with female aging issues and look better in our Golden Years..

[cme1201]

Aug 7, 2011 9:05:25 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Aug 7, 2011 8:51:48 GMT -5 dancinmama said:

I think she looks pretty darn good for 75!!

Yea but don't forget that men age better than women do....check it out...

Men don't have to deal with female aging issues and look better in our Golden Years..

I have to say, this adds absolute squat to any real conversation. Some men age extremely poorly just as women.

[mmhmm]

Heck, to me it wouldn't matter if she looked like that north end of a south bound jackass, she's impressive! Up and flying about at 73, and enjoying life? That's a plus in my book no matter who's doing it. We're darned fortunate to be able to continue doing the things we love for that many years. There are many who can't. Ms Myrtle is quite a gal!

[djAdvocate]

i don't get why she was flying without her radio on. that is not exactly standard procedure for VFR flight.

[mmhmm]

I think I remember something about her radio being broken, dj. I didn't re-read the article, but that's what I remember. She shouldn't have been up without it but ... well, she was, and you gotta love 'er!

[privateinvestor]

Aug 7, 2011 9:08:27 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

Aug 7, 2011 9:05:25 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Yea but don't forget that men age better than women do....check it out...

Men don't have to deal with female aging issues and look better in our Golden Years..

I have to say, this adds absolute squat to any real conversation. Some men age extremely poorly just as women.

Friday, October 22, 2010
Do men age better than women?
Researchers from University College London have been looking into ageing and happiness in a sample of 11,000 men and women over the age of 50 who they followed from 2002 to 2009. They found that men became happier after their retirement while older women were more likely to feel lonely and/or live alone. 18.7% of the women had depression symptoms compared to 11.5% of the men. Women aged 75 and over had high rates of depression, low life satisfaction, poor quality of life and high levels of loneliness but men over 65 were actually happier than younger men. Men and women between 50-64 who had frequent contact with friends and relatives were less likely to have depressive symptoms than those who had infrequent contact (13.1% vs 17.9%). More affluent older people had fewer depressive symptoms, greater life satisfaction, better quality of life and lower levels of loneliness

[deziloooooo]

Aug 7, 2011 9:05:25 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Aug 7, 2011 8:51:48 GMT -5 dancinmama said:

I think she looks pretty darn good for 75!!

Yea but don't forget that men age better than women do....check it out...

Men don't have to deal with female aging issues and look better in our Golden Years..

Possible but there is a upside from that unnecessary energy not going to keep one's looks..they, the females, live a lot longer then we males.

[henryclay]

Sorry, dj, but radios are "required" in less than 10% of the country, and it should be apparent to anyone that where she was flying is well within that "radio is not required" kind of airspace. What she ran into is just one of the problems Obama imposes on people, and particularly on people who fly, any time he leaves the White House. No matter when or where he goes there is a "DO NOT GO THERE, RADIO OR NOT" restricted airspace around him. It is a nightmare for aviation to comply with because of the notification lag in publishing the information. We don't hear of ALL the violations of that restricted air space but there must be many of them. We heard about this one simply because of the uniqueness of who the pilot was that violated the restriction. I'm just guessing but I expect she will not be "going flying every day" for a while.

Although the airplane she is pictured with must meet some very tight annual mechanical inspections and registration requirements, a pilot's medical certificate is no longer a requirement to fly it. I'm not sure what the pilot's licensing requirements are, except to know they are very loose. It is a real, honest to goodness, "you-don't-see-these-very-often-any-more-piece-of-history" Piper Cub. The article says hers was built in 1941.

Tens of thousands of people learned to fly in Piper Cubs, and small airplanes still carry the generic reference of "Piper Cub" no matter who built them or when.

About 6 or 8 years ago it was one of a short list of airplanes that were re-categorized and can now be flown under the FAA's "Light Sport Aircraft" rules, which is a step above motorized hang gliders. If they pull her flying privileges, that fact won't have any effect on the airplane, (it can only go where the pilot points it), but she won't be able to fly anything bigger than a hang glider any more.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 7, 2011 10:35:44 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Sorry, dj, but radios are "required" in less than 10% of the country, and it should be apparent to anyone that where she was flying is well within that kind of airspace.

did i say required? dude, i am a pilot. i am aware of the rules. i would never, under any circumstances, fly without a radio. if she feels comfortable doing so, bully for her. but, imo, it is pretty unsafe.

[henryclay]

dj said:

i don't get why she was flying without her radio on. that is not exactly standard procedure for VFR flight.

Two points dj.
1. Your post sure doesn't leave much, (and a lot of people would say NONE), leeway regarding "standard procedure".

2. Your post about what "you" feel is safe and wishing everybody saw things the same way is typical contemporary Liberal. Liberals today are so strapped with "one-size-fits-all-as-long-as it's-their-size" that they just don't know what real freedom is.

[handyman2]

Where I live there is a private airport that has only kit planes flying out of it every weekend. They just buzz around locally and do not have VFR systems in most of them.
However even though several do not have a full pilots license they can fly in restricted distances but not after dark.
My guess the FAA will forget the whole thing. I wonder how long she has been flying. Tough lady any jet turbulance did not ruffel her.
From looking at the picture I get the impression she lives in one of those developments that has it's own runway and you park your plane in the garage or small personal hanger.
You can tell she is a lady of substance.

[handyman2]

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[steff]

What she ran into is just one of the problems Obama imposes on people, and particularly on people who fly, any time he leaves the White House. No matter when or where he goes there is a "DO NOT GO THERE, RADIO OR NOT" restricted airspace around him.

If the President was one of your "guys" and someone you were all woooohoooo about, wouldn't you expect them to be kept safe with airspace restrictions?

[Tennesseer]

Aug 7, 2011 13:03:26 GMT -5 steff said:

What she ran into is just one of the problems Obama imposes on people, and particularly on people who fly, any time he leaves the White House. No matter when or where he goes there is a "DO NOT GO THERE, RADIO OR NOT" restricted airspace around him.

If the President was one of your "guys" and someone you were all woooohoooo about, wouldn't you expect them to be kept safe with airspace restrictions?

No they wouldn't because most conservatives don't believe in "one-size-fits-all-as-long-as it's-their-size" rules and laws like marriage should only between a man and a woman.

[steff]

So then they would willingly put "their" President in danger by no restricted airspace?


Well that's just stupid x10.....but I guess it does technically fall under that "kill em all and let God sort em out" mentality....

[mmhmm]

The respected air space part of this was to be expected. That always exists, no matter who is occupying the White House. It's been considered even more important since 9/11, but was always an issue since attempts were made on the lives of presidents. Ms Myrtle shouldn't have been flying around up there without a radio; however, there was no law (that I'm aware of) that prevented her from doing so in her little plane. The problem only existed because the president was in town at that time. She probably didn't even think about it, as she was accustomed to taking her little flights rather often. I'm sure she'll give it proper consideration in future. She really meant nobody any harm, as is pretty obvious from her attitude.

[steff]

Oh I understand that restricted airspace didn't just start with President Obama.... and it is possible that this lady simply made a mistake....

It was the post here complaining about restricted airspace that I was talking about.... and wondering if, since henry has a problem with restricting airspace for Obama, if he would feel the same about airspace restrictions if it was a President of his choice OR would that cool little double standard turn up again....

[mmhmm]

Honestly, steff, I got quite a chuckle reading the story. The visuals forming in my mind kept me laughing for awhile. I shared it with mother and she was laughing, as well. Must have been quite a scene up there! I really admire the ol' gal's spunk! My mother kept saying ... "but, 75 is NOT old!" Umm, yeah, mom. Not when you're 90!

[magichat]

The lady is so clueless she thought F-16s buzzing around her plane just wanted to take a look? For god sakes they fly F-16s does she really think the pilots care about a plane that does 60 mph, again they get to fly F-16s for a living. Everyday they get to go faster than most of us could dream. F-16s!!!!!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, I'm a bit more of a stickler for the rules when it comes to this kind of thing. I will side with NORAD on this: there is no excuse. I'm hardly thrilled with the idea of flighty (no pun intended) old ladies out for a drive, I hardly want to have to start worrying about the old bats dropping out of the sky. Age 75 is pushing it for driving, it's WAY TOO OLD to be flying.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

My husband (F-16 pilot) thought that was a nice little plane. ;D

[henryclay]

I read the article as her living out in podunkville and her daily flights being as common as driving to work. How many times have any of us started to work, or to town, or even on a trip, and half way there we run into a work crew and a road closed? If we had looked at the newspaper beforehand we would probably have seen a notice of road closing and saved ourselves a headache. So in that light she should have looked, (the notice would have been on her computer),or she should have asked, (the call is free).

Who knows, if she had realized the president was going to be in that part of her world she probably would have looked, too.

As for her age, and I know absolutely nothing about the lady's flight qualifications, all she needs to fly a "Light Sport Aircraft" category airplane is to hold a student pilot certificate, a driver's license, stay below 10,000 feet, and unless she has an operating radio, to stay out of "controlled" airspace .

[Don Perignon]

Funny thing... all the rules and regulations imposed via bushCHENEY's "Homeland Security" binge have been re-labeled by partisan neo-connivers as being "Obama" legislation.
Actually, it's not so much "funny" as it is "absolutely pathologically insane".

[djAdvocate]

Aug 7, 2011 10:57:34 GMT -5 henryclay said:

dj said:

i don't get why she was flying without her radio on. that is not exactly standard procedure for VFR flight.

Two points dj.
1. Your post sure doesn't leave much, (and a lot of people would say NONE), leeway regarding "standard procedure".

on the contrary. i said that if she feels safe flying without a radio, then bully for her. but for the record, i have never met a private pilot that flies without basic avionics.

2. Your post about what "you" feel is safe and wishing everybody saw things the same way is typical contemporary Liberal.

i never said what i wished. i only stated what i felt comfortable with.

Liberals today are so strapped with "one-size-fits-all-as-long-as it's-their-size" that they just don't know what real freedom is.

i believe a person should be able to do whatever he or she wishes with his person or property so long as he or she does not harm the person or property of a non-consenting other.

how you managed to think of me as some sort of a freedom encumbering fascist in this thread is beyond me. what's got into you?

[mmhmm]

Aug 7, 2011 18:35:01 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

My husband (F-16 pilot) thought that was a nice little plane. ;D

So did I, Molly! Haven't seen one of those in ages.

[henryclay]

dj, I guess it's just one of those things that, "for anyone who understands no explanation is necessary, and for those who don't understand, no explanation would be good enough".

For instance, it's a mystery where you got the idea that I referred to you as some sort of, , , , "fascist". Can you please unravel that mystery?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 7, 2011 21:22:00 GMT -5 henryclay said:

dj, I guess it's just one of those things that, "for anyone who understands no explanation is necessary, and for those who don't understand, no explanation would be good enough".

For instance, it's a mystery where you got the idea that I referred to you as some sort of, , , , "fascist". Can you please unravel that mystery?

it may be my confusion if you were referring to someone other than me when you said this:

2. Your post about what "you" feel is safe and wishing everybody saw things the same way is typical contemporary Liberal. Liberals today are so strapped with "one-size-fits-all-as-long-as it's-their-size" that they just don't know what real freedom is.

you seem to be saying that i wished everyone would do what i do, and that i have no idea what freedom is. or did i read it wrong?