Prisoners in Nevada State Prison...

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What the heck were they doing with PlayStations? Why aren't they busy repaying society by splitting wood for seniors, growing their own vegetables or training wild horses for BLM?

We are a kinder, gentler society now. Everybody has rights but the victim's.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...only if it's PG-13, to keep with our CoC...

[floridayankee]

Aug 4, 2011 19:15:25 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

From the ridiculous to the sublime, remember the sheriff that had everyone in tents in the Arizona Desert at 120 Degrees?

Like they say, If you can't stand the heat.....

Doing hard time still means something in Maricopa County, AZ.

[sesfw]

'From the ridiculous to the sublime, remember the sheriff that had everyone in tents in the Arizona Desert at 120 Degrees?'

Sheriff Joe still does, and the watch tower has a 'vacancy' sign on it. His opinion, and I share it, if you don't like it don't come back.

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 12:58:43 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

right they are there because they broke some law. The ones there on drug charges broke a drug law, many of which are stupid and wrong.

Looking at the vote went to legalize marijuana in one of the most liberal states in our country, apparently a majority still disagree.

If your thinking is that people in prison should never be allowed to have fun, that is probably against the constitution's cruel and unusual punishment clause.

Sure they're "entitled" to some fun.

Much cheaper than an xbox.

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 13:27:40 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Then we need to fight to change the law, not allow people to break the law.

Same goes with immigration laws. If you don't like our laws, quit sitting on your backside and go do something about getting them changed....unless you'd rather just sit around bitching about it rather than put any effort in to it.
<That comment isn't directed at anybody in particular>

K to you lone.....Glad to see someone got my point.

[weltschmerz]

So......you're Ok with spending a fortune of the taxpayers' money to imprison people who were caught with a dime bag of pot?

[zibazinski]

You really think they are in prison for that?

[weltschmerz]

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February 27, 2011

An opportunity has arisen to end jail time for the crime of the simple possession of marijuana in Kentucky. Kentucky House Bill 463 , an overhaul of the state's criminal code, has passed the House and is scheduled for a vote in the Senate as Senate Bill 161. The bill changes the simple possession of marijuana from a class A misdemeanor, one year in jail and a $500 dollar fine, to a class B misdemeanor, 90 days in jail and a $250 dollar fine. Jail time is further reduced by this bill to 45 days. Since the goal is to save money by not incarcerating nonviolent offenders it fails as there is still jail time.
www.state-journal.com/news/simple_article/4989197

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 13:52:56 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Punishment is overrated. If you send your children to their rooms for punishment they sit there and think "this is crap, I dont want to do that again." If you send a guy to prison for 30 years, he changes for the worse. That is just a fact, most of the time. Whatever it is you think you are accomplishing by punishment, you are probably making things worse.

They're not meant to punish any more...they're "Correctional Institutions."

Ahhhh, the wonders of a bloated and out of touch government.

[Deleted]

Punishment is overrated.

I don't view either jail or prison as "punishment". I view people that break laws (the one's that will get you put in either jail or prison) as law breakers. I feel that they should not enjoy their time in either prison or jail.

I also feel that they should be separated from the general public to protect the general public. It doesn't matter to me if it's for smoking grass (my ex BIL smokes all the time & it doesn't affect him at all.....but it does affect the cars that he drives....they keep hitting parked cars), breaking into houses, or killing people. I also feel that punishment should not be set by a national opinion pole. It should be set by the state that the law was broken in.

In other words, if you want liberal laws then live in a liberal state. If you want to execute someone for littering then move to a conservative state. Oh & of course the opposite is true to. If you want to rob people & spend very little time in prison, move to a liberal state.

[weltschmerz]

"I also feel that they should be separated from the general public to protect the general public. It doesn't matter to me if it's for smoking grass (my ex BIL smokes all the time & it doesn't affect him at all.....but it does affect the cars that he drives....they keep hitting parked cars),"

If that's your beef, you should petition the government to make liquor illegal.

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Aug 5, 2011 13:52:56 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Punishment is overrated. If you send your children to their rooms for punishment they sit there and think "this is crap, I dont want to do that again." If you send a guy to prison for 30 years, he changes for the worse. That is just a fact, most of the time. Whatever it is you think you are accomplishing by punishment, you are probably making things worse.

You can mix punishment (deterence) with something positive and come out with much better results. Prison with an xbox is still prison. I think maybe some kind of carrot stick approach might be best. Allow xboxes or whatever for certain levels of attainment. For instance as long as you are learning something in some kind of trade school you get certain priviliges.

But I still contend, the world, especially the USA, would be better off if we just released a lot of the non violent prisoners, especially drug offenders.

Seems to be a lot of concern about incarcerated drug offenders. Do you know any one that was killed or maimed by a repeat offender addict while driving, or committing other crimes to support their uncontrollable addiction? Ever see a high school teenager reduced to a useless piece of garbage from drug use that was sold to him by an addict supporting his habit? Ever see what a drug cartel of any nationality does to retain their dominance in an area to supply product to the drug addict? I watched my best friends young daughter die from a meth overdose sold to her by a man with the same addiction who was triple her age. He's in prison now. Maybe you would want to ask her mom and dad if they would want him let out after their testimony put him there, after all he was a non-violent offender.

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 13:56:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

So......you're Ok with spending a fortune of the taxpayers' money to imprison people who were caught with a dime bag of pot?

If you are talking to me, be careful....you might be making an invalid conclusion. Other than saying "obey the law," I have not stated my position on the law one way or the other.

Besides, I doubt people caught with a whole $10 of weed are costing us a "fortune" in prison time. You don't really hit "fortune" status until you hit the 20+ gram / felony stage (In FL anyway).

An opportunity has arisen to end jail time for the crime of the simple possession of marijuana in Kentucky. Kentucky House Bill 463 , an overhaul of the state's criminal code, has passed the House and is scheduled for a vote in the Senate as Senate Bill 161. The bill changes the simple possession of marijuana from a class A misdemeanor, one year in jail and a $500 dollar fine, to a class B misdemeanor, 90 days in jail and a $250 dollar fine. Jail time is further reduced by this bill to 45 days. Since the goal is to save money by not incarcerating nonviolent offenders it fails as there is still jail time.http://www.state-journal.com/news/simple_article/4989197

This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't like the law, get on your state congressmen and women and get the law changed. Bitching about it here does nothing. At least bitch to them while you're bitching to us.

BTW, I found this site that shows 14 states have decriminalized minor possessions and sales....mileage may vary.
norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516

[magichat]

Aug 5, 2011 14:20:30 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 5, 2011 13:52:56 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Punishment is overrated. If you send your children to their rooms for punishment they sit there and think "this is crap, I dont want to do that again." If you send a guy to prison for 30 years, he changes for the worse. That is just a fact, most of the time. Whatever it is you think you are accomplishing by punishment, you are probably making things worse.

You can mix punishment (deterence) with something positive and come out with much better results. Prison with an xbox is still prison. I think maybe some kind of carrot stick approach might be best. Allow xboxes or whatever for certain levels of attainment. For instance as long as you are learning something in some kind of trade school you get certain priviliges.

But I still contend, the world, especially the USA, would be better off if we just released a lot of the non violent prisoners, especially drug offenders.

Seems to be a lot of concern about incarcerated drug offenders. Do you know any one that was killed or maimed by a repeat offender addict while driving, or committing other crimes to support their uncontrollable addiction? Ever see a high school teenager reduced to a useless piece of garbage from drug use that was sold to him by an addict supporting his habit? Ever see what a drug cartel of any nationality does to retain their dominance in an area to supply product to the drug addict? I watched my best friends young daughter die from a meth overdose sold to her by a man with the same addiction who was triple her age. He's in prison now. Maybe you would want to ask her mom and dad if they would want him let out after their testimony put him there, after all he was a non-violent offender.

Sounds like those parents can't accept that their daughter didn't exercise her personal responsibility. Laying blame elsewhere is a mistake at best.

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Aug 5, 2011 14:28:46 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Seems to be a lot of concern about incarcerated drug offenders. Do you know any one that was killed or maimed by a repeat offender addict while driving, or committing other crimes to support their uncontrollable addiction?

i have heard a lot about drunk drivers killing tons of people




Ever see a high school teenager reduced to a useless piece of garbage from drug use that was sold to him by an addict supporting his habit?


I have seen studies that show that it is easier for a high school teenager to get drugs then it is for them to get alcohol.


Ever see what a drug cartel of any nationality does to retain their dominance in an area to supply product to the drug addict?

So you can cite at least one reason drugs should be legal. I can think of a lot more.


I watched my best friends young daughter die from a meth overdose sold to her by a man with the same addiction who was triple her age. He's in prison now. Maybe you would want to ask her mom and dad if they would want him let out after their testimony put him there, after all he was a non-violent offender.

That is a terrible thing, and I am sorry for your best friends loss. People push drugs to make money. Know anyone triple the daughter's age who pushes alcohol to support their drinking?

All too much. Living in a rural area where meth and alcohol are king, I've seen "at home" parties that were busted where the parents who were alcoholics were selling drinks to their teenagers' friends. We have a very small, low power, local TV station that has a camera and sound in the local criminal court. Out of the 20 or so cases tried every Wednesday, about 75% of them are drug and alcohol crimes or related to. I guess that sort of explains my attitude. I was also very close to the girl that died, like her favorite uncle. It was painful to watch the changes in her the year or so before she died. I re-read my previous post and it did seem a little harsh for here, sorry. I was just a little closer to the addict problem than most.

[robbase]

obviously a prisoner NEEDS a playstation (actually a PS3 or whatever is the most current top of the line system) and Xbox too and.....

[Trongersoll]

Can't we just grind them all up into Dog Food? I bet they'd never break another law after that.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Aug 5, 2011 15:37:33 GMT -5 Trongersoll said:

Can't we just grind them all up into Dog Food? I bet they'd never break another law after that.

That would be unfair to all the hungry cats out there.

[Deleted]

"I also feel that they should be separated from the general public to protect the general public. It doesn't matter to me if it's for smoking grass (my ex BIL smokes all the time & it doesn't affect him at all.....but it does affect the cars that he drives....they keep hitting parked cars),"

If that's your beef, you should petition the government to make liquor illegal.

Actually I would be for making pot legal & setting the laws exactly the same as alcohol. Some people can handle pot & some people can't. As for as drinking & drug use & then driving cars.....Sorry but they made the decision to drink or smoke & drive. If they kill someone I think they should be prosecuted for murder.

I drink all the time (wish I was able to drink more in fact) BUT I don't drive while drinking or afterward.

[Don Perignon]

I've often noted how a small percentage of the population is dissatisfied with merely removing the criminal element from the general population... they insist upon making the incarcerated suffer. A tidy segment of that group would advocate resuming obsolete practices (like Public Whipping and use of "stocks") that have been outlawed due to the machinations of those horrible "bleeding-heart liberals".
As for the "Work Shall Set You Free" paradigm, that's already been done, infamously.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]