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Post by bubblyandblue on Aug 5, 2011 15:59:39 GMT -5
A good president is one who happens to be on the job when you are having a run of good luck.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 16:03:34 GMT -5
>>>>But I see anti-Obamites have lots of time to drive around.<<<< They're the ones that are driving an expensive car going to their corporate job. They don't own a clunker to turn in.... Ever watch Joan Rivers Program : How'd you get so rich? That's capitalism at it's finest!! BTW: It's called the American Dream, from rags to riches. Not sitting around on the dole.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 5, 2011 16:35:26 GMT -5
This is definitely a landslide in the making. We could screw it up by nominating someone like Romney, though. And it increasingly looks like we aim to screw it up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 17:30:25 GMT -5
Savor the irony of people decrying socialism while driving on public roads. Too bad "keep government out of Medicare" anti-socialists can't take a road trip to Somalia to see what a lack of socialism does for a country. Also, the military is socialism, so I guess the Tea partiers don't like them either.
NOW I GET IT. That's why democrats don't understand that they are supporting socialism. They don't (ok, some of them do) understand what socialism is. I'll break it down for those that don't:
Savor the irony of people decrying socialism while driving on public roads. Public means everybody. You could say that the roads are for the "common" good.
Too bad "keep government out of Medicare" anti-socialists can't take a road trip to Somalia to see what a lack of socialism does for a country. To bad that all democrats can't live in Russia for a year. (Of course it's different there now. They found that socialism DOESN'T WORK so they are changing to capitalism). Oh & the U.S. isn't a 3rd world country like Somalia. You can tell because we don't have lions roaming free in our parks.
Also, the military is socialism, so I guess the Tea partiers don't like them either. Nope, the military is not socialism either (either in action or the way it's funded). They also are for the "common good". Totally different than socialism.
Socialism is where you take from those that have & give it to those that don't (welfare & Obamacare are good examples). I know this is confusing because that's also the definition of robbery so sometimes 2 different words can mean the same thing (like democrat & socialist. They used to mean something different but that changed).
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 20:47:37 GMT -5
Obama knows he is going to have a rough time between now and the 2012 Presidential Elections but it will take a miracle for him to garner enough support across the nation to be re elected. If voters go to the election booth to cast their votes with @17 million out of work, unemployment at @ 9.0%, mortgage crisis continuing, millions of homeless, and/or on food stamps how can anyone think that voters will re elect Obama for four more years of this ? It doesn't take much knowledge of the poltical process to ascertain that the voters in this country are going to be faced with a tough choice in 2012 or go with the devil you know or don't know and take a chance on a republican for president instead of four more years with Obama.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 21:28:22 GMT -5
>>>>It doesn't take much knowledge of the poltical process to ascertain that the voters in this country are going to be faced with a tough choice in 2012 or go with the devil you know or don't know and take a chance on a republican for president instead of four more years with Obama. <<<<
P.I., Not tough for me and a lot of others I know, we can't take another 4 years of sliding to hell on a slippery slope as it's going. Our country would never survive this turmoil with a man that has no clue of how to lead. I'll take my chances on the other side, however the cards are stacked.
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Post by Don Perignon on Aug 5, 2011 22:13:48 GMT -5
"Predictions Grow Of 2012 Obama Defeat" is the premise. ? As I see it, the only things growing are the National Debt... and the volume of hot-air discharged by the President's indefatigable detractors (i.e., those who would desrtroy the nation just to blame it on "that uppity darkie in the White House").
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 22:16:54 GMT -5
oh really? so, i guess "delusional kool aid drinker" and "left wing excuser" are sweet talk for you? do you talk to all of your fellow Republicans that way? is that something you would say to Paul or OldTex? moreover- is it anything i would say to you? didn't think so. , just find your propping up the accomplishments of this President is staggering. where have i defended Obama? hint: comparing him to Bush is not flattery, diamonds. and criticizing your posts or anyone elses' is not defending Obama, either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 23:32:20 GMT -5
As I see it, the only things growing are the National Debt... and the volume of hot-air discharged by the President's indefatigable detractors (i.e., those who would destroy the nation just to blame it on "that uppity darkie in the White House").
antibabble, it would seem that your the one that has brought race into this, not those of us that HATE President Obama. My reasons are simple. He is a poor excuse for a leader. His financial decisions are idiocy. His social programs are socialist. Race has not got a damn thing to do with it, as a matter of fact I'm kind of a fan of a black republican senator from Fl (at least of the stuff that I've heard him say).
antibabble the days where you can play the race card are gone. In the next election what you say your going to do is a lot more important than what color you are. If you want to argue facts welcome. If you just want to talk about race start your own thread & be ignored.
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Post by Don Perignon on Aug 6, 2011 0:05:19 GMT -5
I agree that one can be less than pleased by President Obama's performance in office, without that dissatisfaction being based upon racist bigotry. Especially if one harbors unrealistic expectations. But I've been reading a lot of the posts and threads at this message board, and have noticed a remarkable incidence of not-so-subtle racist rhetoric from a few prolific posters. I find it particularly offensive when they disingenuously cloak their bigotry with a "I hate LIBS" façade... honestly, who are they really fooling?
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 1:18:54 GMT -5
I agree that one can be less than pleased by President Obama's performance in office, without that dissatisfaction being based upon racist bigotry. Especially if one harbors unrealistic expectations. But I've been reading a lot of the posts and threads at this message board, and have noticed a remarkable incidence of not-so-subtle racist rhetoric from a few prolific posters. I find it particularly offensive when they disingenuously cloak their bigotry with a "I hate LIBS" façade... honestly, who are they really fooling? If you are satisfied with Obama performance then OK but many of us are NOT... So deal with it without the racial implications that are really silly. If you think Obama is a good president then you may have to just adjust your thinking that you might be swayed by his words and not his deeds. Because he has a lot of work to do before he is re elected as our president, and he may not be able to perform the tasks ahead IMHO...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 9:08:25 GMT -5
I find it particularly offensive when they disingenuously cloak their bigotry with a "I hate LIBS" façade... honestly, who are they really fooling?
It sounds to me like your reading "race" into everything. By your standards if a black person was pulled over for speeding, the reason that he was pulled over was because he was black...Not because he was doing 120 mph in a 40 mph zone.
Maybe you need to look at it a little different. If you assume (like the conservatives here) that President Obama is the single worst example of a President of the U.S. we have ever had & probably will have during our lifetime. Then just about every single comment about him is perfectly clear as to the job he is doing & it has nothing to do with race, color, or how tall he is. I view his as a 1 talent individual. He can read a TelePrompter well. That's it. Other than being able to read a TelePrompter, I find the guy a complete screw up as a president.
Now if you want to read into the above statement that I'm against him because he's black, so be it because I can't change your mind nor do I really care. When it comes down to voting it really makes no difference if I vote against him because he's black or I vote against him because he sucks as a president. I'm still voting against him.
Of course one could turn this whole race card around & ask did all blacks that voted for President Obama vote for him on the issues or because he was black? Who knows but it will be interesting to see if the black vote percentage changes the next election, won't it?
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 9:13:59 GMT -5
How will the Obama fans spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt Is this not because our political leaders including Obama are probably unable to come up with at least $4 Trillion in savings which is needed to bring our nations debt to a manageable level over the next decade. Where has the Obama leadership been for this issue for the past several months?? Or is he more interested in adding to his campaign funds while traveling around the country reading his TelePrompTer and telling everyone who will listen to his nonsense that we have turned corner and better days are ahead of us....
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2011 9:30:50 GMT -5
How will the Obama fans spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt Is this not because our political leaders including Obama are probably unable to come up with at least $4 Trillion in savings which is needed to bring our nations debt to a manageable level over the next decade. Where has the Obama leadership been for this issue for the past several months?? Or is he more interested in adding to his campaign funds while traveling around the country reading his TelePrompTer and telling everyone who will listen to his nonsense that we have turned corner and better days are ahead of us.... P.I., you started well but then answered a different question than that asked. You answered: How will the Obama opponents spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 9:35:30 GMT -5
How will the Obama fans spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt Is this not because our political leaders including Obama are probably unable to come up with at least $4 Trillion in savings which is needed to bring our nations debt to a manageable level over the next decade. Where has the Obama leadership been for this issue for the past several months?? Or is he more interested in adding to his campaign funds while traveling around the country reading his TelePrompTer and telling everyone who will listen to his nonsense that we have turned corner and better days are ahead of us.... P.I., you started well but then answered a different question than that asked. You answered: How will the Obama opponents spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt And your point is what again??? If this is one in there someplace hidden among the fluff I could be completely wrong but the Obama administration and the Treasury is trying to challenge the S&P Downgrade of the US Credit Rating because they know full well it is probably going to hurt Obama's leadership image....so guess what you have to deal with it or blame Reagan again for this mess to be consistent.. Instead of continously trying to nit pick what I post think about this fact with the downgrade....states and localities will now have to pay more interest because the cost of borrowing for schools, roads, and parks just went up....digest that this AM if you can
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2011 9:42:30 GMT -5
P.I., you started well but then answered a different question than that asked. You answered: How will the Obama opponents spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt And your point is what again??? If this is one in there someplace hidden among the fluff Sorry P.I. It is that damn COC thing which some of us respect (i.e. to not make personal attacks stating that other posters are just full of it) that makes it necessary to post as I do.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 9:52:21 GMT -5
And your point is what again??? If this is one in there someplace hidden among the fluff Sorry P.I. It is that damn COC thing which some of us respect (i.e. to not make personal attacks stating that other posters are just full of it) that makes it necessary to post as I do. What does that have to do with this discussion??? Did it ever occur to you to ignore the posters who you think are just full of it??? Try it you might like it and be a happy camper even for a former Navy Yeomen who never met a typo or grammatical error that made his day..
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 9:57:29 GMT -5
I think Obama is likely to win a second term. Poor ratings don't always translate into voting someone out. Congress has had terrible approval ratings but yet the same people are voted in all the time. Obama as the incumbent has the edge. And, the Repos need to put up a formidable opponent or they will lose. You could be correct and it may be very close in 2012 but playing the devil's advocate...Obama will be blamed if our economy is in tough shape in 2012 and that might be enough for voters to say NO to Obama, and NO to Obamacare and NO to Obama and his socialism which didn't work for his first term....shades of Jimmy Carter Part Dieux. Also we don't really know what will happen next year in the Afghan or in Iraq..... So don't break out the Dos Equis for an Obama victory celebration for at least another year IMHO
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2011 10:02:40 GMT -5
Sorry P.I. It is that damn COC thing which some of us respect (i.e. to not make personal attacks stating that other posters are just full of it) that makes it necessary to post as I do. What does that have to do with this discussion??? Did it ever occur to you to ignore the posters who you think are just full of it??? Try it you might like it and be a happy camper even for a former Navy Yeomen who never met a typo or grammatical error that made his day.. Wellllll, it was in response to your post (that you subsequently added to). My original reply was on topic. I prefer to post counter argument rather than ignore.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 10:06:47 GMT -5
What does that have to do with this discussion??? Did it ever occur to you to ignore the posters who you think are just full of it??? Try it you might like it and be a happy camper even for a former Navy Yeomen who never met a typo or grammatical error that made his day.. Wellllll, it was in response to your post (that you subsequently added to). My original reply was on topic. I prefer to post counter argument rather than ignore. Enjoy yourself...and happy hunting for nits if that is your thing or posting music videos....or whatever floats your boat to keep the naval theme to your job here at posting counter arguments..
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2011 10:17:33 GMT -5
P.I., you started well but then answered a different question than that asked. You answered: How will the Obama opponents spin the fact that S&P just downgraded our debt And your point is what again??? If this is one in there someplace hidden among the fluff I could be completely wrong but the Obama administration and the Treasury is trying to challenge the S&P Downgrade of the US Credit Rating because they know full well it is probably going to hurt Obama's leadership image....so guess what you have to deal with it or blame Reagan again for this mess to be consistent.. Instead of continously trying to nit pick what I post think about this fact with the downgrade....states and localities will now have to pay more interest because the cost of borrowing for schools, roads, and parks just went up....digest that this AM if you can Now to deal with additions you made to your original posting: I think it is a good step to challenge the downgrading. If they are able to get them to change it back, that would be a good thing. No harm in the effort. I believe it has been a failure of Americans to not face the realities of our economic system dating back more than a century that has created the current situation. We reached a crisis point in the late 1970's and refused to deal adequately with it at that time. I see the same failure playing out again. My view of "leadership" is that it needs to involve a team effort. It will take all working together to create a sustainable economic system for this country.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2011 10:17:43 GMT -5
"He can blow out his candles next year in the house he bought in Sweden. " ? Obama bought a house in Sweden?
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 10:21:34 GMT -5
And your point is what again??? If this is one in there someplace hidden among the fluff I could be completely wrong but the Obama administration and the Treasury is trying to challenge the S&P Downgrade of the US Credit Rating because they know full well it is probably going to hurt Obama's leadership image....so guess what you have to deal with it or blame Reagan again for this mess to be consistent.. Instead of continously trying to nit pick what I post think about this fact with the downgrade....states and localities will now have to pay more interest because the cost of borrowing for schools, roads, and parks just went up....digest that this AM if you can Now to deal with additions you made to your original posting: I think it is a good step to challenge the downgrading. If they are able to get them to change it back, that would be a good thing. No harm in the effort. I believe it has been a failure of Americans to not face the realities of our economic system dating back more than a century that has created the current situation. We reached a crisis point in the late 1970's and refused to deal adequately with it at that time. I see the same failure playing out again. My view of "leadership" is that it needs to involve a team effort. It will take all working together to create a sustainable economic system for this country. You view of "leadership" is too weak IMHO....I prefer strong and decisive leadership and not wimpy whiners like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid or the so called big three dems We had a team effort for the debt reduction compromise and that team effort was a disaster because of the lack of leadership by Obama IM (very) HO...
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2011 10:37:52 GMT -5
I've looked and looked. There's no mention anywhere of Obama buying a house in Sweden. Maybe you have him confused with Elin Nordegren, Tiger's ex-wife?
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 10:41:40 GMT -5
I've looked and looked. There's no mention anywhere of Obama buying a house in Sweden. Maybe you have him confused with Elin Nordegren, Tiger's ex-wife? I think Obama will move back to Hawaii and work on fixing his flawed birth certificate there, write a few books and teach at Hawaii University or be a community organizer for the sugar cane workers
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5
... You view of "leadership" is too weak IMHO....I prefer strong and decisive leadership and not wimpy whiners like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid or the so called big three dems We had a team effort for the debt reduction compromise and that team effort was a disaster because of the lack of leadership by Obama IM (very) HO... American strength is what lead us into Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. It is what lead us into the economic colonialism which is a root of parts of our current troubles. Strength is overrated. IM(not so)HO there was no true team effort on the budget. Ego and gamesmanship is not team effort. All involved (including Obama, House and Senate "leadership, and media commentators) are culpable in this regard.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 6, 2011 11:56:31 GMT -5
President Barack Obama urged lawmakers on Saturday to set aside partisan politics after a fierce debt battle, saying they must work to put America's fiscal house in order and refocus on stimulating its stagnant economy. Obama issued the appeal in his weekly radio address recorded just hours before the United States lost its top-notch AAA credit rating from Standard & Poor's on concerns about its deficit woes, a move that could have costly repercussions. The president, whose 2012 re-election could hinge on his ability to reduce stubbornly high unemployment, called on Congress to back measures to give tax relief to the middle class, extend jobless benefits and pass long-delayed international trade pacts. But at the same time, Obama -- who was briefed in advance on S&P's downgrade announcement -- challenged fellow Democrats and Republicans alike to follow through on the deal struck in Washington this week that averted the threat of crippling debt default. "Congress reached an agreement that's going to allow us to make some progress in reducing our nation's budget deficit," he said. "And through this compromise, both parties are going to have to work together on a larger plan to get our nation's finances in order." "In the long term, the health of our economy depends on it," he said. Obama also stressed, however, that "in the short term, our urgent mission has to be getting this economy growing faster and creating jobs." . He is seeking to overcome partisan rancor after a $2.1 trillion deficit-reduction deal reached with Republicans just before the government was due to run out of money to pay all of its bills. GETTING PAST PARTISAN RANCOR But that fell short of the $4 trillion in savings over 10 years S&P said was needed to put the world's most powerful economy on sounder fiscal footing and avoid a ratings cut. S&P also cited the political brinkmanship that played out in Washington over raising the United States' $14.3 trillion debt limit as a source of uncertainty for future policymaking. The downgrade, which the U.S. Treasury denounced as based on a "flawed" analysis, could raise borrowing costs for the government, firms and consumers at a time when some economists fear the United States could slip back into recession. Against this backdrop, the Labor Department reported on Friday that unemployment in July edged down to 9.1 percent from 9.2 percent, but that was not enough to dispel investors' concerns about the fragile economy. Wall Street equities closed out their worst week in more than two years, reflecting frustration with a stumbling U.S. recovery and with politicians' halting responses to debt troubles in Europe and the United States. Still, Obama's options for boosting growth are limited. Republicans, who control the U.S. House of Representatives, oppose further stimulus spending. "While deficit reduction has to be part of our economic strategy, it's not the only thing we have to do," Obama said. "We need Democrats and Republicans to work together to help grow this economy. We've got to put politics aside." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33181545/ns/politics/t/more-work-ahead-get-finances-order-obama/
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2011 13:03:03 GMT -5
survey after survey says that people want congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things.
Obama has said over and over again that he wants congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things.
S&P has said that they want congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things.
why do we have so many congresspeople who can't seem to work together, compromise, and accomplish things?
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 6, 2011 13:41:24 GMT -5
survey after survey says that people want congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things. Obama has said over and over again that he wants congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things. S&P has said that they want congress to work together, compromise, and accomplish things. why do we have so many congresspeople who can't seem to work together, compromise, and accomplish things? Good point and after thinking about it for a bit, I suggest they really aren't listening to those comments..they are paying lip service to the comments such as " Yes i hear you and understand... butand off they go, forgetting what was said conveniently. They heard words but paid no attention to the meaning of them. They have their own agenda and beleifs and wont allow anything to get in the way of. When that all the people are saying is, "be strong in your beliefs but be realistic too, listen to the other side and come up with the best solution, for us under the system we have, nothing is really all black and white as much as we think it is..grey is the way it seems is the correct choice which means you have to work with the other side". They don't want that so we get what we get..polerization..they heard the words but never understood what they meant.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 6, 2011 17:19:41 GMT -5
PREDICTIONS OF 2012 OBAMA DEFEAT: My feeling is that he is just one of many who better start worring about defeat in 2012.
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