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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 4, 2011 17:36:46 GMT -5
The long thread of bad economic reports, unemployment growth, and ineffective government spending is undermining President Obama's efforts to build a path to re-election, according to political analysts. "If the economy doesn't pick up soon, Obama's once-bright prospects for re-election could be history, along with his White House tenure—assuming, of course, Republicans nominate a mainstream candidate that can appeal to swing voters and appears to be a credible possible occupant of the Oval Office," said the University of Virginia's Larry Sabato. Said a former Reagan aide, "when it rains, it pours. It is tremendously hard to get your positives up when they have been pounded into the toilet. And it takes a very long time, something he doesn't have." Sabato said that the economy more than the nation's debt crisis will drive voters, and there is no easy answer for the president on that. Maybe worse for the president, those who might vote on the debt deal he agreed to will be angry liberals eager to punish him. He noted that some liberals, like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are eager to see a primary challenge, which most Democrats say won't happen. [Check out editorial cartoons about the 2012 GOP contenders.] "If a challenge to President Obama arises at all, we would expect it to be minor. But it is difficult to say precisely how angry liberals are at what they regard as a 'cave-in' to the Republicans on the debt deal—after a similar Republican-leaning agreement on the Bush tax cuts last December. On the one hand, the left might fear inadvertently helping the rising Tea Party, and once again give Obama the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, Sanders' view might prevail, reminding Obama that the left has somewhere else to go, at least for the nomination contest," Sabato wrote in his weekly column. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/08/04/predictions-grow-of-2012-obama-defeat
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 4, 2011 18:08:23 GMT -5
"assuming, of course, Republicans nominate a mainstream candidate that can appeal to swing voters and appears to be a credible possible occupant of the Oval Office"
So much for the Republicans.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 4, 2011 18:11:07 GMT -5
"assuming, of course, Republicans nominate a mainstream candidate that can appeal to swing voters and appears to be a credible possible occupant of the Oval Office" So much for the Republicans. I agree and unless the Republicans can field a strong candidate to challenge Obama we are in for another four years of Obamacare IMHO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 19:14:49 GMT -5
I think for the democrats it's a lot bigger issue than President Obama getting elected. If the economy gets worse I'm thinking the democrats have lost the white house for 3 or 4 elections.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2011 19:50:45 GMT -5
and yet Romney is still behind by 4-5%, like he has been for the last two months, according to RCP.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 4, 2011 19:53:12 GMT -5
Hey cheer up at least the chances of Nancy Pelosi becoming the Speaker of the House don't look too promising for her lately..
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2011 20:08:07 GMT -5
I can't believe he or anyone else ever assumed he'd be reelected. i think that counting him out is a serious mistake. America likes underdogs.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 4, 2011 20:10:04 GMT -5
I don't know how good polls are but today there was one that had Obama and Romney dead even. The bad news is the poll if correct had Obama's standing with the African American voters down several points.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2011 20:13:24 GMT -5
I don't know how good polls are but today there was one that had Obama and Romney dead even. The bad news is the poll if correct had Obama's standing with the African American voters down several points. ask and ye shall receive: RCP Average 6/3 - 7/19 -- 46.9 42.6 Obama +4.3 FOX News 7/17 - 7/19 904 RV 47 41 Obama +6 ABC News/Wash Post 7/14 - 7/17 RV 49 47 Obama +2 NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 7/14 - 7/17 RV 48 41 Obama +7 PPP (D) 7/15 - 7/17 928 RV 45 45 Tie Rasmussen Reports 7/14 - 7/15 1000 LV 42 43 Romney +1 Quinnipiac 7/5 - 7/11 2311 RV 47 41 Obama +6 this trend is completely flat for the last two months. the dislike for Obama is yet to translate to like for anyone else.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 4, 2011 20:16:33 GMT -5
I can't believe he or anyone else ever assumed he'd be reelected. i think that counting him out is a serious mistake. America likes underdogs. You never can predict what the economic conditions will be like at the end of next year. But if they are as bad as the Doom and Gloom guys claim then it may be possible no matter who the Republican candidate is he or she could probably beat Obama.. There are now some Democrats in congress who are thinking about another candidate instead of Obama but not sure if this is realistic or not.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 4, 2011 20:17:56 GMT -5
"this trend is completely flat for the last two months. the dislike for Obama is yet to translate to like for anyone else"
Another week like this in the stock market, and he will not get re-elected. The markets could recover by next year, but the damage to him will have been done.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 20:36:49 GMT -5
I can't believe he or anyone else ever assumed he'd be reelected. Hey lone: It's staggering isn't it? What positive platform would he run on? Change you can believe in? Nope. Fiscally responsible? Nope. Hope? Nope, he said the deal was to stabilize the market. Stopping the nanny state of Big Government and allowing job creation in the private sector? Nope. Promising to be more engaged as he is the face to the world. Nope. Anyone who gives a good answer, I would like to hear it.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 20:44:19 GMT -5
I like to listen to the letters on O'Reilly from all over the world. I, myself write in at least once a month. Well, some lady wrote she thought Obama was trying to bring down Captialism. Hmmm....she doesn't stand alone with that belief. lone: k to you...stop being a stranger, have missed seeing you...
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 4, 2011 20:49:36 GMT -5
If Romey does well in New Hampshire I expect his numbers to go up several points. Also if he does well there I expect several potentual Repub canidates to fold the old tent.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 20:50:20 GMT -5
The markets fell obviously because of the chaos in Western Europe amongst no confidence in expansion in the job market and low consumer spending. Well, I wonder if Obama sees it isn't working. Frightening thought. Where is he anyway today? They were asking for him in an early press conference. No real answer from Jay Carney.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 20:52:13 GMT -5
If Romey does well in New Hampshire I expect his numbers to go up several points. Also if he does well there I expect several potentual Repub canidates to fold the old tent. handyman: I agree with you... Romney/Rubio would make a great ticket.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 4, 2011 20:53:41 GMT -5
Democrats, Republicans Asked Obama to Leave Room During Debt Negotiations From "leading from behind" to "leading from outside." Mark Hemingway August 4, 2011 12:40 PM There's a fascinating story over at The Hill that was published yesterday, "How John Boehner escaped disaster." I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves here, but certainly there's a storyline emerging here that when it comes to the art of the deal, Boehner is one of the more capable politicians of the era. But now that details from the smoky backroom debates are emerging, how's Barack Obama's reputation faring? Well, not good at all. Here's a curious detail from The Hill's report on Boehner. It seems that Democrats and Republicans asked "the only adult in the room" to leave said room so they could hash out a deal: On July 23, they claim, the White House called Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), telling her not to participate on a call with Boehner, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Pelosi informed Reid, who declined to participate, and the call was canceled, the Republican sources said. (A Pelosi spokesman could not be reached for comment.) Later that day, the four leaders met with Obama at the White House. At one point, GOP officials said, the Democratic and Republican leaders asked Obama and his aides to leave the room to let them negotiate. A tentative deal was subsequently struck, but Obama privately threatened to veto it, the sources said. Recall this was just one day after Obama's angry and unflattering press conference and after Boehner had announced that he was withdrawing from White House talks to deal with Harry Reid and congressional Democrats directly. Obama, however, still insisted on summoning Congressional leaders to the White House for talks. Add this to Obama's confrontation with Eric Cantor and storming out of earlier talks, and it sure looks like Mr. First-Class Temperament's attitude was getting in the way of a deal. But don't worry, I'm sure the Obama administration was "leading from the outside." www.weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/democrats-republicans-asked-obama-leave-room-during-debt-negotiations_582008.html
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 20:56:09 GMT -5
Awww, thanks lone. To tell you the truth I don't listen to him talk anymore. Nothing but smoke and mirrors and cloudy mirrors at that.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 21:04:18 GMT -5
>>>>But don't worry, I'm sure the Obama administration was "leading from the outside."<<<<
Thanks P.I., I forgot to add that in my list of platforms. No transparency, none. Remember how he lied about the Obama Care deal and said it would be broadcast on C-span? Nope. Behind closed doors of bribes and deals. I think Pelosi and Reid are just plain exhaused from his stubborn detachment.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 4, 2011 21:07:27 GMT -5
Awww, thanks lone. To tell you the truth I don't listen to him talk anymore. Nothing but smoke and mirrors and cloudy mirrors at that. I think a lot of us have been tuning him out. We're just kicking back waiting for the election. I won't even answer my phone to political calls. He can do a lot more collateral damage by then. Can you imagine what a new President will have to deal with...
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Post by Don Perignon on Aug 4, 2011 21:59:51 GMT -5
Golly, if President Obama is doomed anyway, I hope he manages to gut the DoD of wasteful and profligate spending before he goes. A good place to start would be to make sure that military retirees don't collect any pension benefits until reaching the same age that qualifies regular citizens to collect SSI pension benefits. SOME of our "Soldiers of Fortune" start drawing military benefits when they are as young as 37 years old... and that's a very heavy draw on the public teat. They could live another sixty years after retiring, drawing check after check after check...
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 7:51:11 GMT -5
Golly, if President Obama is doomed anyway, I hope he manages to gut the DoD of wasteful and profligate spending before he goes. A good place to start would be to make sure that military retirees don't collect any pension benefits until reaching the same age that qualifies regular citizens to collect SSI pension benefits. SOME of our "Soldiers of Fortune" start drawing military benefits when they are as young as 37 years old... and that's a very heavy draw on the public teat. They could live another sixty years after retiring, drawing check after check after check... Well then let's see if the Pentagon takes your suggestion but I rather doubt it. But thanx for your ideas about military retirees. I think there will be some changes to retirement and I look for increases in the amount of the pension because those who devote 20 years in the defense of your country deserve it IMHO P.I.(NOT A Soldier of Fortune)
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Aug 5, 2011 9:18:47 GMT -5
I can't wait until he has to be forced out of hiding and actually come up with concrete plans and not vague "I'm not doin' what Obama is" claptrap. Watch for lots of flip flops and out of touch statements like he being "unemployed" too. Oh, and I love how he's trying to be the jobs guy when he made his fortune by massive layoffs and when he was governor he was 47th in job creation (would be 48th if it weren't for Katrina). A non-partisian hack, Fox/Beck/Limbaughesque sour-stomach, substantiated argument? Nope. Right, it's just a massive coincidence that it happened right after the debt ceiling talks. This must be the new Conservative kool-aid. Anyone see Congress' approval rating? At best it's in the teens. Boehner's a massive flop and even the Tea Party hates him. So where's your evidence to support your statement? Wow, he's so capable he's only passed a dozen or so bills. Or is he the master of the deal and didn't really pass any legislation because he wants the economy to fall? Anyways, anyone calling Boehner competent is a stretch, let alone "more capable."
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 9:26:38 GMT -5
I can't wait until he has to be forced out of hiding and actually come up with concrete plans and not vague "I'm not doin' what Obama is" claptrap. Watch for lots of flip flops and out of touch statements like he being "unemployed" too. Oh, and I love how he's trying to be the jobs guy when he made his fortune by massive layoffs and when he was governor he was 47th in job creation (would be 48th if it weren't for Katrina). A non-partisian hack, Fox/Beck/Limbaughesque sour-stomach, substantiated argument? Nope. Right, it's just a massive coincidence that it happened right after the debt ceiling talks. This must be the new Conservative kool-aid. Anyone see Congress' approval rating? At best it's in the teens. Boehner's a massive flop and even the Tea Party hates him. So where's your evidence to support your statement? Wow, he's so capable he's only passed a dozen or so bills. Or is he the master of the deal and didn't really pass any legislation because he wants the economy to fall? Anyways, anyone calling Boehner competent is a stretch, let alone "more capable." Here's the gallup poll for Pelosi:www.gallup.com/poll/143885/Pelosi-Favorable-Rating-Speaker-Drops-New-Low.aspxAnd here is Obama's:www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspxJust point and click on the two links provided for you Ma'am
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 11:36:09 GMT -5
"this trend is completely flat for the last two months. the dislike for Obama is yet to translate to like for anyone else" Another week like this in the stock market, and he will not get re-elected. The markets could recover by next year, but the damage to him will have been done. if you say so. i wish i could be that confident. but i can't. i will never be confident that a crappy president will be defeated after 2004.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 11:45:16 GMT -5
Obama was criticized for spending too much time campaigning for more funds to boost his war chest so today he is trying to get companies to hire unemployed veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan by promising them tax credits... So let's see if the congress will go along with this proposal. There was a time when veterans were recruited by defense contractors especially in California but those days are long gone, I think....
You also have the anti- military folks who do NOT want veterans to be given special treatment or any advantages ...so this will be interesting to see how it plays out
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 11:54:04 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 12:00:02 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans. Try to sell that idea to Romney, Pawlenty, Bachman, and Gingrich who are all lambasting Obama today for the budget impasse
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 5, 2011 12:03:01 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans. Try to sell that idea to Romney, Pawlenty, Bachman, and Gingrich who are all lambasting Obama today for the budget impasse If they were running for Congress, they would be lambasting Congress. Since they are running for the Republican nomination for president, they are lambasting the Democratic president.
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