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Post by henryclay on Jul 30, 2011 19:29:48 GMT -5
House votes down Reid, Senate Bill, 173 for, 248 against. And now Reid won't even bring his own Bill up for a vote in the Senate. He wouldn't let the House Bill even get a discussion, the House voted against it without ever officially getting it, and Reid won't even let hos own bill come up for a vote? ?? Why is Reid saying there's a filibuster going on? I don't see a filibuster. What I see is Reid lamenting about past Senates, and McConnell saying the Democrats are now stonewalling their own bill. And for some reason, under the same leadership of Harry Reid, the Senate hasn't even passed a budget FOR TWO FULL YEARS. Reid has been instrumental in running the country out of a . . .what do they call it now , , , , a little black book? Who can say what's going on in the Senate?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 30, 2011 19:45:20 GMT -5
...not me...
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Post by henryclay on Jul 30, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -5
There's a word the Democrats have been hanging on the Republicans lately that has has a lot of support in the liberal crowd. I'm beginning to wonder what that word means when the President won't even make a proposal and the Senate won't even vote on it's own Bill.
Maybe some of the liberals here can help me understand it. It is spelled c-o-m-p-r-o-m-i-s-e.
But maybe it really means leadership failure.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 30, 2011 19:55:03 GMT -5
Is this true? House votes down Reid, Senate Bill, 173 for, 248 against. Yes
And now Reid won't even bring his own Bill up for a vote in the Senate. Yes
He wouldn't let the House Bill even get a discussion, Yes the House voted against it without ever officially getting it if "it" is the Senate bill, Yes, and Reid won't even let hos own bill come up for a vote Yes
Why is Reid saying there's a filibuster going on? I can't find where he said this I don't see a filibuster I will take your word that it is true that this is what you see . What I see is Reid lamenting about past Senates, and McConnell saying the Democrats are now stonewalling their own bill I will take your word that it is true that this is what you see.
And for some reason, under the same leadership of Harry Reid, the Senate hasn't even passed a budget No, abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/politics&id=8073257.
Who can say what's going on in the Senate? Reid
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Post by henryclay on Jul 30, 2011 20:07:29 GMT -5
bills, check again. I believe what you refer to as a budget was just another Continuing Resolution.
The other things I saw, , , and am now seeing, , , as I watch CSpan on the Senate floor.
Friend Al Franken is now accusing the middle east wars for the entire fiscal problem. He even said he was better fixed than the average American and calls the Tea Party radicals while at the same time saying a Constitutional Amendment for a balanced budget is terror tactic against people who "depend on the government for their basic existence".
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 30, 2011 20:14:40 GMT -5
bills, check again. I believe what you refer to as a budget was just another Continuing Resolution. ... The Senate voted 81-19 to pass the budget. (from the link in my reply) I checked again. The article says it is a budget.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 30, 2011 20:22:37 GMT -5
Yep, bills. That's what your article says. Yep. It sure does say that. Never mind it was a Continuing Resolution for the rest of 2011 that was voted on in April of this year because there never was a budget passed before the year began. . . . Just like they haven't got a budget Bill up yet for next year, , , the one that starts two months from now.
And everybody else, (everybody except the enlightened individual that wrote your referenced article, says it's been 800 days since the Senate passed a budget.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 30, 2011 20:27:53 GMT -5
>>>saying a Constitutional Amendment for a balanced budget is terror tactic against people who "depend on the government for their basic existence".<<< ...if the transcripts come out to show that Franken did say this, and not clarify or correct what he "meant" to say, then I'll be a little surprised... just wow...
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 30, 2011 20:35:40 GMT -5
Yep, bills. That's what your article says. Yep. It sure does say that. Never mind it was a Continuing Resolution for the rest of 2011 that was voted on in April of this year because there never was a budget passed before the year began. . . . Just like they haven't got a budget Bill up yet for next year, , , the one that starts two months from now. And everybody else, (everybody except the enlightened individual that wrote your referenced article, says it's been 800 days since the Senate passed a budget. Got it. The link says budget, "everybody else" says "....." according to you. Bottom line though, I have no problem with accepting that it was what you call it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 30, 2011 22:32:04 GMT -5
House votes down Reid, Senate Bill, 173 for, 248 against. And now Reid won't even bring his own Bill up for a vote in the Senate. He wouldn't let the House Bill even get a discussion, the House voted against it without ever officially getting it, and Reid won't even let hos own bill come up for a vote? ?? Why is Reid saying there's a filibuster going on? I don't see a filibuster. What I see is Reid lamenting about past Senates, and McConnell saying the Democrats are now stonewalling their own bill. And for some reason, under the same leadership of Harry Reid, the Senate hasn't even passed a budget FOR TWO FULL YEARS. Reid has been instrumental in running the country out of a . . .what do they call it now , , , , a little black book? Who can say what's going on in the Senate? a nearly identical thing happened in the House last THURSDAY.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 31, 2011 11:00:46 GMT -5
Let's look on the bright side, ladies and gentlemen. If the US defaults, we'll get the biggest spending cuts of all.
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Post by rovo on Jul 31, 2011 11:12:30 GMT -5
Let's look on the bright side, ladies and gentlemen. If the US defaults, we'll get the biggest spending cuts of all. And it negates any need for a balanced budget amendment since spending will automatically be limited to cash coming into the government.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 31, 2011 11:36:29 GMT -5
My view on this particular matter is akin to Mr. Allie's: However, as I've said many times over in MT, I have total faith that the US government will come up with some half-baked "compromise" deal that kicks the can down the road another six months or a year. A meaningful but still grossly insufficient reduction in spending that will in no way prevent another still-larger crisis when it comes time to kick the can again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2011 11:45:51 GMT -5
i am starting to think that no compromise is possible, and that Obama will have to invoke 31 USC 3102
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Post by henryclay on Jul 31, 2011 14:04:44 GMT -5
And dj, I hope it comes to that, because as things look right now no matter what they do he will have his way, and I'd much rather he be the one who actually pulls the lever.
We need a new president and that little idiocy will guarantee it, along with a new congress, and almost everything Obama has touched for the last two and a half years will get reversed.
We may even get to find out just "who" he really is.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 31, 2011 15:02:03 GMT -5
And dj, I hope it comes to that, because as things look right now no matter what they do he will have his way, and I'd much rather he be the one who actually pulls the lever. We need a new president and that little idiocy will guarantee it, along with a new congress, and almost everything Obama has touched for the last two and a half years will get reversed. We may even get to find out just "who" he really is. ...which brings us back to the OP's question... is it true?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 31, 2011 15:12:51 GMT -5
Summary CBO has been asked to compare the estimated cumulative budgetary savings for Speaker Boehner's July 27, 2011, version of the Budget Control Act of 2011, to the savings that would be attributable to Majority Leader Reid's July 25, 2011, version of the Budget Control Act without the estimated savings that are attributable to proposed caps on new funding for war-related activities (often called overseas contingency operations, or OCO). The attached table provides that comparison. Speaker Boehner's proposal: As noted in CBO's July 27 letter to Speaker Boehner, we estimated cumulative savings, including debt service, of $917 billion over the 2012–2021 period for implementing the Budget Control Act of 2011, as proposed in the House on July 25, 2011, with an amendment proposed on July 27, 2011. (Those savings are measured relative to CBO's March 2011 baseline, adjusted to reflect enactment of 2011 appropriations.) That proposal did not address future funding for war-related activities. Majority Leader Reid's proposal: In CBO's July 27 letter to Majority Leader Reid, we estimated cumulative savings, including debt service, of $2,176 billion over the 2012–2021 period for implementing the Budget Control Act of 2011, as proposed in the Senate on July 25, 2011. (Again, those savings are measured relative to CBO's March 2011 baseline, adjusted to reflect enactment of 2011 appropriations.) The cumulative savings for Majority Leader Reid's July 25 proposal include the effects of establishing caps on new funding for war-related activities. Excluding the effects of the caps on funding for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and similar activities from Majority Leader Reid's July 25 proposal would yield 10-year savings of $909 billion, including debt-service effects, $8 billion less (over the 2012–2021 period) than estimated for Speaker Boehner's July 27 proposal. CBO's Privacy, Security, and Copyright Policies www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12353
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Post by henryclay on Jul 31, 2011 18:48:48 GMT -5
P.I. There is NO SAVINGS. All it is, is "Washington-speak" for not spending as much as they were intending to spend. Projected deficitis are still in the trillions. I saw one puindit say that, if the country can last that long, by 2020 our debt will be approaching 20 TRILLION dollars.
And here's another Pelosi quote from earlier today: "We all may not be able to support it, or none of us may be able to support it. But we'll wait and see,"
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 1, 2011 11:17:32 GMT -5
Oh look, Reply #12 came true. Surprise of surprises.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 1, 2011 11:21:23 GMT -5
Oh look, Reply #12 came true. Surprise of surprises. ...well, maybe it won't get voted in, we deal with a temporary shutdown (as we have before) and then we pass real reform... ...it could happen...
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
And dj, I hope it comes to that, because as things look right now no matter what they do he will have his way, and I'd much rather he be the one who actually pulls the lever. We need a new president and that little idiocy will guarantee it, along with a new congress, and almost everything Obama has touched for the last two and a half years will get reversed. We may even get to find out just "who" he really is. not really that concerned with who he, or anyone else is. that is their business, so long as it does not affect me. i am concerned with what he DOES, however.
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Post by henryclay on Aug 1, 2011 15:30:30 GMT -5
dj said:
Okay!!! That's gur-EIGHT!
Now, , , , in ten words or less, , , , tell us what he's done that you DIDN'T like.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 2, 2011 9:38:16 GMT -5
dj said: Okay!!! That's gur-EIGHT! Now, , , , in ten words or less, , , , tell us what he's done that you DIDN'T like. he has not really done much if anything so far that i DO like. i positively hate his foreign policy. i think that his efforts, when he HAS made them, have been watered down in a quagmire of compromise. his leadership by coalition is idiotic, immature, and nothing that i want. i have said this several times, henry. if i appear to be defending Obama, it is only against charges that he is some kind of Manchurian radical. he is nothing of the kind. he is a sheep in sheep's clothing.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 2, 2011 9:47:48 GMT -5
i have said this several times, henry. if i appear to be defending Obama, it is only against charges that he is some kind of Manchurian radical. he is nothing of the kind. he is a sheep in sheep's clothing. IMHO, it's the compromise that is keeping him from seeming as radical as he really is. In the case of Obamacare, there is no doubt in my mind that we would have government run health care if not for his own party wanting their own slice of pork for a yes vote. He just didn't have a large enough pig to hand out.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 2, 2011 10:20:07 GMT -5
i have said this several times, henry. if i appear to be defending Obama, it is only against charges that he is some kind of Manchurian radical. he is nothing of the kind. he is a sheep in sheep's clothing. IMHO, it's the compromise that is keeping him from seeming as radical as he really is. imo, compromise IS what he is. if you consider compromise radical, then i suppose he is radical. but i don't.
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