Obama and Democrats hit new low IMO

[rockon]

Blue, Very much agree and thats why I appreciate the efforts of anyone like a Tea Party because unless something of this nature can get started we will never break the death grip these two parties have on our politics.

[Bluerobin]

rockon, I can't determine who is the worst president, Bush or Obama. They both far surpassed Carter who was my long time worst. Hey, the president always gets the blame, even when the party deserves it.

ETA: the tea party is out of touch, but I agree, something has to start the change. Unfortunately a party within a party will not drop the hint to the big players. You need a "third" party that threatens or does become a major player.

[rockon]

Yes both pretty sad and probably also partial victims of our state of politics. Well nuff said from me today I have to get back to work.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 29, 2011 9:20:11 GMT -5 zipity said:

The facts are simple: They have not submitted a plan for a vote. They have only said no to others plans. The only thing they have done is make demands on what they must have in any plan. Is this not true?

You said to look at the facts, not what the media says, so if not through the media, where are you getting your facts?

Zippity we had some guys who only watched C-Span 24/7 to get their news from Washington DC which is not from the media...and they were also not big fans of the Liberal Media or of Fox News.. Also PBS News hours with Jim Lehrer was given high marks for being able to present the latest poltical news without the usual spin and hype ...

[privateinvestor]

Jul 29, 2011 8:08:46 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

Jul 29, 2011 8:03:48 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Yea but will it pass in the senate??? Some of the Dem senators have said they will vote NO to the latest Reid Budget Plan..

Can you link to which Senate Dems have said that they would vote no on Reid's plan?

Bernie Saunders, Ben Nelson, and Joe Manchin have said they would not support the latest Reid proposal.....Saunders is a socialist who wants to see higher taxes and Nelson and Manchin are not comfortable with the Reid Bill and they want to see some amendments to the proposed spending cuts. And they said other dems in the senate want to see the latest scoring for the trillions saved by exiting Iraq and Afghanistan...so it is not a slam dunk IMHO

You can google Saunders, Nelson and Manchin to read what their exact words are for the Reid Plan ..or you can go with my comments about these three guys which I believe is accurate.


Dems in the senate will NOT support the Boehner plan but the Reid plan doesn't have sixty votes according to senator Conrad So Reid is trying to work our this problems with his own colleagues

[floridayankee]

Jul 29, 2011 8:23:54 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I prefer candidates who represent MY wishes, rather than a flawed ideology and refuse to change.

Since the TP ideology differs from your own, it's obviously flawed? I guess the tea party should have consulted with you first?

BTW, These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.

[privateinvestor]

Sen. Conrad: Gang of Six ready when Reid, Boehner plans fail

By Alicia M. Cohn - 07/28/11 01:39 PM ET


Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said Thursday that he expects both the Republicans and Democrats’ current deficit proposals to fail

When that happens, the Gang of Six — a bipartisan group of senators who have negotiated their own deficit deal — will be standing by, and they will have a plan ready.


“Speaker [John] Boehner’s [R-Ohio] plan may or may not pass the House — I assume it will,” Conrad said on FOX News’s “Happening Now.”

“But it will fail in the Senate. Senator [Harry] Reid [D-Nev.] has a plan here [in the Senate], but I think it’s likely that at this moment that won’t get cloture, won’t get 60 votes.”

The Senate likely would take a cloture vote on Reid’s bill in order to limit debate, avoid a filibuster and move forward to a vote.

Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said he is “certainly” in favor of Reid’s proposal. He added, however, that “behind the scenes there are negotiations under way” to find a way to reconcile the two bills.

He also said Congress has to reach a “deadlock” before achieving a “breakthrough.”

Conrad said he believes Congress is on a “path” to achieving a breakthrough before the Treasury Department’s Aug. 2 deadline to raise the debt ceiling. But he does not expect the breakthrough to be either Boehner’s or Reid’s bills.

“Reality is that both sides have to see that their favorite position cannot prevail,” Conrad said. “It’s at that point you can reach a principled compromise. We’re not quite there yet, but we’re very close.”

The Gang of Six is “going to be prepared to be a part of the solution” once the deadlock happens, Conrad said. The group of senators has a draft that is undergoing revision by “the staffs of all the members,” he said.

“After both sides see their preferred position will not prevail, that will be the key moment, and there’s a lot of work going on for that key moment,” he added.

The other five senators in the Gang of Six are Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.).

Coburn and the rest of the group announced a deficit-reduction package earlier in July that would make $9 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade, slash defense spending and raise nearly $1 trillion in revenue by ending tax breaks.

--This post was updated at 4:31 p.m





thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/174153-sen-conrad-gang-of-six-waiting-for-both-sides-to-fail?tmpl=component&print=1&page=

[Value Buy]

Jul 29, 2011 7:41:46 GMT -5 rockon said:

These guys have recaptured the title "Party of No". They are voting no before they even get a bill and are bringing nothing to the table themselves except for demands and bottom lines.
Here's hoping the Tea Party backed members hang tough. It's is refreshing to actually see someone in Washington do what they said they would despite the medias obvious efforts to make them the bad guys.
Obama and the congress wouldn't even be here begging today if they had not emptied the bank the first two years when they had total control of the spending.

rockon, we are in total agreement. Infact I stated they were the party of no just last night on another thread. Will have to go find it, but a karma for you!

[Value Buy]

OK, here it is in the thread,

Re: He didn't use the "word " so there seems
« Reply #9 Yesterday at 10:03pm »

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Well, right now we do not know if there are enough Tea Party votes to get the bill out of the House.
Of course, the Senate has said they will vote no.
The White House has said no.

I guess this makes the Democratic Party, the new Party of NO.
How times have changed........And Obama did promise us change, with a little bit of hope, thrown in, although, all hope has gone by the wayside...........
Abandon all hope for ye who enter the world of politics.

[privateinvestor]

BTW, These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.

--------------------------------------------------------------------Tea Party members are camped outside the offices of the congressmen they helped get elected and chanting " We got you elected and we can get you un elected just as easily" and you can bet the congressmen who represent these Tea Party Members are indeed listening to them

[deziloooooo]

Jul 29, 2011 8:32:12 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

rockon, realize this, the tea party is not legit. They were sent to Washington as backlash to a bunch of dems who could not get their act together, despite a dem house, senate and president. Had the dems not acted so poorly, the tea partiers would have never made it to DC. Watch the masses vote out pubs in 2012.

While not agreeing completly with the above, not saying your wrong eityher in your conclusions, methink more right then wrong actually.

[Value Buy]

Jul 29, 2011 10:49:41 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

BTW, These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.


--------------------------------------------------------------------Tea Party members are camped outside the offices of the congressmen they helped get elected and chanting " We got you elected and we can get you un elected just as easily" and you can bet the congressmen who represent these Tea Party Members are indeed listening to them

P.I.
It is not the fact they are "listening to the Tea Party", they are actual Tea Party members and believers of their ideas.

[deziloooooo]

Jul 29, 2011 10:20:31 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jul 29, 2011 9:20:11 GMT -5 zipity said:

The facts are simple: They have not submitted a plan for a vote. They have only said no to others plans. The only thing they have done is make demands on what they must have in any plan. Is this not true?

You said to look at the facts, not what the media says, so if not through the media, where are you getting your facts?

Zippity we had some guys who only watched C-Span 24/7 to get their news from Washington DC which is not from the media...and they were also not big fans of the Liberal Media or of Fox News.. Also PBS News hours with Jim Lehrer was given high marks for being able to present the latest poltical news without the usual spin and hype ...

[b2r]

See, Dezi agreed with a self-proclaimed republican.
Now that's compromise.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 29, 2011 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 29, 2011 10:49:41 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

BTW, These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.


--------------------------------------------------------------------Tea Party members are camped outside the offices of the congressmen they helped get elected and chanting " We got you elected and we can get you un elected just as easily" and you can bet the congressmen who represent these Tea Party Members are indeed listening to them

P.I.
It is not the fact they are "listening to the Tea Party", they are actual Tea Party members and believers of their ideas.

Right but the Tea Party can them in a heartbeat if they don't stick to the Tea Party agendas and some of these new members who have been on TV have said that lately....they were elected to represent the Tea Party and not to go along with Boehner and they could care less about Boehner but their allegiances are to the people who elected them and not to Boehner...

[Value Buy]

Jul 29, 2011 11:03:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

See, Dezi agreed with a self-proclaimed republican.
Now that's compromise.

b2r, P.I. alleges to be a "Reagan Democrat", which is a dead entity in today's world.
I am sure P.I. will set you straight.

[b2r]

Jul 29, 2011 11:07:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 29, 2011 11:03:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

See, Dezi agreed with a self-proclaimed republican.
Now that's compromise.

b2r, P.I. alleges to be a "Reagan Democrat", which is a dead entity in today's world.
I am sure P.I. will set you straight.

That was designed to appear under his blue agreement. My fault for not quoting.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 29, 2011 11:07:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 29, 2011 11:03:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

See, Dezi agreed with a self-proclaimed republican.
Now that's compromise.

b2r, P.I. alleges to be a "Reagan Democrat", which is a dead entity in today's world.
I am sure P.I. will set you straight.

Dead entity? Not yet there are still a few of us around out here on the left coast and I think some of our numbers may have joined the Tea Party...

[zipity]

we had some guys who only watched C-Span 24/7 to get their news from Washington DC which is not from the media...

That's the funny thing, I watched the house debate Boehner's bill yesterday. If I then flipped to Fox there was no difference between their talking points and the ones offered by republican congressional reps. If I flipped to CNN there was no difference between their talking points and the ones offered by democrat congressional reps. I do like Jim Lehrer and (funny enough) the BBC which tends to offer more reporting and less commentary.

[jkapp]

Jul 29, 2011 9:47:02 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

jkapp, spoken like a tea partier! Realize this they were only voted in because they were not the incumbents, not because they had a mandate. They are bogus and will soon be shown to be so. Watch them lose in 2012. They are a bunch of radicals, who falsely believe they are mainstream. Like I said before, if they were not whackadoodles, they could stand as their own party.

And spoken like a true business-as-usual Rep/Dem supporter...those same supporters that allowed their respective parties to get us into this situation in the first place and for some reason believe the same idiots that got us into it can get us out

[privateinvestor]

I do like Jim Lehrer and (funny enough) the BBC which tends to offer more reporting and less commentary.

But Jim Lehrer is leaving soon from PBS

[jkapp]

Jul 29, 2011 9:57:41 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

rockon, sorry, I didn't realize you were a tea partier. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. They are not going to change anything. In DC, you have to go along to get along, and these folks are too stupid to realize that.
I despise the fiscal path we have been on for years.
Bush was a total idiot to cut taxes during a war. How did he expect to pay for it? Obama and the dems are stupid to spend so much creating govt jobs. We do not need tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Bush proved that did not work. We need tax credits given for every job created. You only get the break if you create a job.
If the tea partiers really want to challenge the status quo, let them form their own party. They are surely not pubs.

Considering how the current two party system has sent the country into a huge downward spiral economically, I think the last thing we need is another party to join the mix.

[zipity]

These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.

I thought representatives were supposed to represent all the people in their district, not just the ones who voted for them. That's one of the reasons I like Scott Brown, he'll vote against his party if it's in the best interest of the people of MA.

[privateinvestor]

Sen. Reid says he's moving ‘the last train’ to raise the debt ceiling

By Alexander Bolton - 07/29/11 10:20 AM ET


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said he would go ahead and move to end debate on legislation to raise the debt limit, describing it as “the last train.”

Reid implored Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) to join him in negotiating a bipartisan agreement that could pass the Senate with 60 votes.









Reid said if the Senate begins Friday to move legislation to raise the debt limit, it would take four days to pass it through the upper chamber. That means the Democratic plan to raise the debt limit would pass no sooner than Aug. 2 — the deadline set by the Treasury Department for avoiding default.

“Too much is at stake to waste even one more minute,” Reid said. “The last train is leaving the station. This is our last chance to avert a default. The vote on this compromise will determine whether we enter the frightening world of default.”

McConnell took to the Senate floor shortly after Reid to propose a six-month extension of the debt-limit, which Reid immediately rejected.

“We cannot have in this country a six-month extension, because a six-month extension — because a six-month extension is no extension,” Reid said. “A six-month extension of what we’re dealing with put us back in a matter of weeks into the same, as I said, fiscal extravaganza, trying to move forward with the work of the country.”

Democratic aides say McConnell has a short window in which to reach out to Reid to make changes to the Senate Democratic plan to raise the debt limit. But McConnell has not been willing to do much in the way of negotiating while the House still has a chance of passing its own plan to raise the borrowing limit.

House action, however, has been delayed by a revolt by freshman conservatives, who have refused to endorse a debt-limit proposal by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

“Under the rules we have here in the Senate, if I move tonight, we can’t have a final vote until Tuesday morning,” he said. “The country defaults on its debt at 12 midnight on Tuesday."


Reid extended another invitation to McConnell on Friday morning.

“I hope my friend, Sen. McConnell, will come to me by the end of the day and indicate what constructive ideas he has to move the process along,” Reid said.

McConnell, speaking on the floor Friday morning, criticized Reid for rounding up Democratic votes to oppose Boehner’s debt plan.

“The Democratic majority here in the Senate has been wasting precious time rounding up 'no' votes to keep this crisis alive,” McConnell said. “Rather than being responsible and doing their duty and come up with a bill that can actually pass, they have been busy signing people up for the not-good-enough caucus and ginning up opposition to everything else."

Senate Democrats have scheduled a special caucus meeting Friday morning to discuss their next steps.

Source:
thehill.com/homenews/senate/174327-reid-says-hes-moving-the-last-train-to-raise-the-debt-limit

[jkapp]

Jul 29, 2011 11:23:39 GMT -5 zipity said:

These candidates are doing exactly what they were elected to do....they are representing the wishes of their constituents that voted them to office.

I thought representatives were supposed to represent all the people in their district, not just the ones who voted for them. That's one of the reasons I like Scott Brown, he'll vote against his party if it's in the best interest of the people of MA.

And how do you know they aren't?

[Bluerobin]

JKapp, a party within a party is just a faction. Next November, they will disappear if they cannot stand on their own. Another party is exactly what is needed. It would force the idiots in Congress to compromise. Just like the pee party will force the pubs to work with the dems to ultimately get something done. When that happens, the pee party becomes inconsequential.

[privateinvestor]

Senate Democrats have scheduled a special caucus meeting Friday morning to discuss their next steps.

Whatever this means but Reid has to also count noses before he presents his latest plan to insure all the dems and independents are in lock step with him.... I don't think Old Bernie Saunders or Joe Lieberman are in lock step with anyone since they both march to their own drumbeat IMHO....but he does need 60 Yes votes for his bill so stay tuned this weekend as the clock clicks down and the Gang of Six may be the compromise bill possibly if you believe Kent Conrad..

[jkapp]

Jul 29, 2011 11:33:11 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

JKapp, a party within a party is just a faction. Next November, they will disappear if they cannot stand on their own. Another party is exactly what is needed. It would force the idiots in Congress to compromise. Just like the pee party will force the pubs to work with the dems to ultimately get something done. When that happens, the pee party becomes inconsequential.

If they become a party then all you will get is more business as usual...two parties fighting and three parties fighting doesn't improve anything, it just splits the arguments in three ways instead of two.

We don't need more parties, we need no parties.

[deziloooooo]

" they were elected to represent the Tea Party and not to go along with Boehner and they could care less about Boehner but their allegiances are to the people who elected them and not to Boehner... "

This proves that Zacharias complaint of safe districts, being able to vote to just appease the majority in their districts who have been Gerry manded into same like constituents , no matter how crazy the redistricting lines have been drawn to get those #'s right , rather then having to appeal to a diverse constituency and use common sense and their own judgment on issues, not just follow the crowd so to speak is correct, this we get what is happening now in Washington.

Part of Zakarias article :

"1) Redistricting has created safe seats so that for most House members, their only concern is a challenge from the right for Republicans and the left for Democrats. The incentive is to pander to the base, not the center.

2) Party primaries have been taken over by small groups of activists who push even popular senators to extreme positions. In Utah, for example, 3,500 conservative activists managed to take the well- regarded Senator Robert Bennett off the ballot. GOP senators like Orrin Hatch and John McCain have moved farther to the right, hoping to stave off similar assaults.

[b2r]

The tea party's terrorist tactics
POLITICO


It has become commonplace to call the tea party faction in the House “hostage takers.” But they have now become full-blown terrorists.

Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60202.html#ixzz1TVz6UAgG