New NASA data debunks global warming lies

[ed1066]

Ah, NOW we know why Obama defunded NASA and shut them down...

www.theblaze.com/stories/new-study-of-nasa-data-may-debunk-global-warming-predictions/

Could new NASA data deal a blow to some of the statements and predictions that have been made by global warming adherents? According to James M. Taylor, a senior fellow for environmental policy at The Heartland Institute, the answer is a resounding “yes.”

In Forbes, Taylor writes about some intriguing analysis of NASA satellite data that spans from years 2000 until 2011. Interestingly, the data show that the Earth’s atmosphere is actually allowing more heat to be released into outer space than global warming computer models previously predicted.

A new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing has found that United Nations computer models may be incorrect in overstating the amount of global warming that will occur in the future. The study also finds that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere traps much less heat that global warming enthusiasts have claimed. Taylor writes:

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”

But, this research doesn‘t only show that there’s less heat being trapped in the first place; it also shows that the atmosphere unloads heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted. If true, this means that the Earth‘s atmosphere isn’t holding on to warmth as long as some climate scientists say it is. Taylor continues:

Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

If it is true that more heat is escaping and less warmth is being trapped in the atmosphere than previously predicted, skeptics could gain a leg up in the debate over climate change. While Taylor claims that these findings “…are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate,” climate change critics will likely disagree.

At the least, though, scientists on all sides of the debate should take heed of the research, explore its implications and examine whether current predictors and commonly held views hold up to healthy scrutiny. Taylor contends that it would be wise for the media, elected officials and climate scientists to recognize the “huge discrepancy” between global warming predictors and NASA’s satellite data.

[djAdvocate]

the Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank brought to us by the most fervent global warming deniers: the Koch Brothers.

millermps.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/beware-of-the-heartland-institute-brought-to-you-in-part-by-the-koch-brothers/

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 12:09:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank brought to us by the most fervent global warming deniers: the Koch Brothers.

millermps.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/beware-of-the-heartland-institute-brought-to-you-in-part-by-the-koch-brothers/

Interesting I guess, but this is from the University of Alabama. Read the article instead of posting randomly. Maybe you are on the wrong thread?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 12:11:23 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:09:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank brought to us by the most fervent global warming deniers: the Koch Brothers.

millermps.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/beware-of-the-heartland-institute-brought-to-you-in-part-by-the-koch-brothers/

Interesting I guess, but this is from the University of Alabama. Read the article instead of posting randomly. Maybe you are on the wrong thread?

was the Heartland Institute mentioned in the above post? if not, then YES, i posted on the wrong thread.

[verrip1]

Wow. An ad hom?

[jkapp]

As I've stated before, Global warming scientists have often manipulated their data to match their predetermined results.

And that does not coincide with the scientific method...so global warming science ends up being junk propaganda science to push an ideological/political agenda.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 12:32:42 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Wow. An ad hom?

huh? where did i attack anyone, verrip?

in fact, where did i state anything that was not a fact?

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 12:32:50 GMT -5 jkapp said:

As I've stated before, Global warming scientists have often manipulated their data to match their predetermined results.

And that does not coincide with the scientific method...so global warming science ends up being junk propaganda science to push an ideological/political agenda.

Right, and now I'm happy to see rational science finally taking over and rightfully marginalizing the religious zealotry of the global warming alarmists, who have consistently tried to enact laws and policies based on their faith rather than on science and fact...

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 12:39:13 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:32:50 GMT -5 jkapp said:

As I've stated before, Global warming scientists have often manipulated their data to match their predetermined results.

And that does not coincide with the scientific method...so global warming science ends up being junk propaganda science to push an ideological/political agenda.

Right, and now I'm happy to see rational science finally taking over and rightfully marginalizing the religious zealotry of the global warming alarmists, who have consistently tried to enact laws and policies based on their faith rather than on science and fact...

the crusade against global warming fails the "lesser evil" test. that is why it is an uphill battle, at best.

[jkapp]

Jul 28, 2011 12:41:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:39:13 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Right, and now I'm happy to see rational science finally taking over and rightfully marginalizing the religious zealotry of the global warming alarmists, who have consistently tried to enact laws and policies based on their faith rather than on science and fact...

the crusade against global warming fails the "lesser evil" test. that is why it is an uphill battle, at best.

Which may be true, but I don't think the "ends justify the means" approach taken is the proper example to set for future legislative/political agendas.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 12:52:15 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:41:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the crusade against global warming fails the "lesser evil" test. that is why it is an uphill battle, at best.

Which may be true, but I don't think the "ends justify the means" approach taken is the proper example to set for future legislative/political agendas.

it is not true that means are never justified, no matter what end. therefore, both the means and ends must be considered. even if we cannot agree on the ends (and that is clearly true), it doesn't mean that we can't agree on the means.

[deziloooooo]

There was a article in the local paper, Sun Sentinal , about Florida and it' predicted by 2100 the keys for all intents and purposes will be gone as well as problems in South Florida..they had the figures of water rise..scary..plus the salt water getting into the aquafilter where we get our water, contaminating it, and yes it suggests that mankind use of fossle fuels are part of the cause..

Naturally I won't be around but by 2050 it will be getting bad ...yet all these folks saying "Bosh no truth to any of that"..right ed?

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 12:57:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:52:15 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Which may be true, but I don't think the "ends justify the means" approach taken is the proper example to set for future legislative/political agendas.

it is not true that means are never justified, no matter what end. therefore, both the means and ends must be considered. even if we cannot agree on the ends (and that is clearly true), it doesn't mean that we can't agree on the means.

There's only one road here - science. Real science, not the Church of Global Warming pseudoscience that has been foisted on the public by Democrats for their own financial gain and the economic and social enslavement of the population...

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 13:03:27 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:57:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is not true that means are never justified, no matter what end. therefore, both the means and ends must be considered. even if we cannot agree on the ends (and that is clearly true), it doesn't mean that we can't agree on the means.

There's only one road here - science. Real science, not the Church of Global Warming pseudoscience that has been foisted on the public by Democrats for their own financial gain and the economic and social enslavement of the population...

and likewise, you should not be bought off by the church of indifference, if there is real proof that things are getting worse, and by a human hand.

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 13:17:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 28, 2011 13:03:27 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

There's only one road here - science. Real science, not the Church of Global Warming pseudoscience that has been foisted on the public by Democrats for their own financial gain and the economic and social enslavement of the population...

and likewise, you should not be bought off by the church of indifference, if there is real proof that things are getting worse, and by a human hand.

Real proof. Those are the key words, aren't they?

[weltschmerz]

I don't need to listen to any scientists, bought off or otherwise. I know it's happening. I can see it, feel it, hear it, touch it and taste it.

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 13:50:37 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I don't need to listen to any scientists, bought off or otherwise. I know it's happening. I can see it, feel it, hear it, touch it and taste it.

Once again for those who don't get it...the issue isn't IF it's happening, the issue is WHY it's happening...

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 13:33:35 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 28, 2011 13:17:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

and likewise, you should not be bought off by the church of indifference, if there is real proof that things are getting worse, and by a human hand.

Real proof. Those are the key words, aren't they?

indeed. or substantive, if you prefer. ;]

[verrip1]

Jul 28, 2011 12:09:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank brought to us by the most fervent global warming deniers: the Koch Brothers.

millermps.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/beware-of-the-heartland-institute-brought-to-you-in-part-by-the-koch-brothers/

Yes, an ad hom.

See www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

In the example, substitute 'James M. Taylor' for 'I', 'Koch Brothers' for 'priest' and 'Heartland Institute' for 'Pope'.

Ad hom is wider than just a straight, personal, 'I discount your idea because you are a jerkwad'.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2011 14:36:28 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Jul 28, 2011 12:09:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank brought to us by the most fervent global warming deniers: the Koch Brothers.

millermps.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/beware-of-the-heartland-institute-brought-to-you-in-part-by-the-koch-brothers/

Yes, an ad hom.

See www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

In the example, substitute 'James M. Taylor' for 'I', 'Koch Brothers' for 'priest' and 'Heartland Institute' for 'Pope'.

Ad hom is wider than just a straight, personal, 'I discount your idea because you are a jerkwad'.

you are substituting singulars for plurals to make your case.

institutional assaults are not "ad hominem" verrip. "ad hominem" can ONLY be directed against individuals.

but if i wasn't clear in this case, i should have also added that Heartland's views are pretty much exactly those of the Koch Brothers on this subject. and i was attacking the institution of Heartland, rather than any individuals within that institution. just like Heritage, they have their agenda. telling the truth is really not part of it.

[handyman2]

Is there salt water intrusion into the Florida aquifer? The answer is yes and it was determined by scientists 40 years ago. How is this happening? first the massive pumping of salt free water from wells and the resupply of fresh water dropping from the underground rivers that are fed from the Okefenokee swamp in south Georgia. Florida is riddled with underground streams that flow throughout the state to the sea fed from the north. As the fresh water pressure drops from pumping fresh water out it causes sink holes and allows the salt water to flow against the pressure drop and intrudes into the Florida aquifer. Several Georgia cities now draw water from the swamp in Georgia and there is less and less to supply the aquifer in Florida. They are actually farming large areas of the Georgia swamp now it is going dry. Has nothing to do with global warming.

[deziloooooo]

Jul 28, 2011 13:54:30 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 28, 2011 13:50:37 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I don't need to listen to any scientists, bought off or otherwise. I know it's happening. I can see it, feel it, hear it, touch it and taste it.

Once again for those who don't get it...the issue isn't IF it's happening, the issue is WHY it's happening...

and the evidence points to human doings being part of the problem..

[deziloooooo]

Jul 28, 2011 19:23:58 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Is there salt water intrusion into the Florida aquifer? The answer is yes and it was determined by scientists 40 years ago. How is this happening? first the massive pumping of salt free water from wells and the resupply of fresh water dropping from the underground rivers that are fed from the Okefenokee swamp in south Georgia. Florida is riddled with underground streams that flow throughout the state to the sea fed from the north. As the fresh water pressure drops from pumping fresh water out it causes sink holes and allows the salt water to flow against the pressure drop and intrudes into the Florida aquifer. Several Georgia cities now draw water from the swamp in Georgia and there is less and less to supply the aquifer in Florida. They are actually farming large areas of the Georgia swamp now it is going dry. Has nothing to do with global warming.

"Has nothing to do with global warming."

The article suggests different,...the increase in sea level will have a lot to do with it..

[verrip1]

Jul 28, 2011 14:49:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 28, 2011 14:36:28 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Yes, an ad hom.

See www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

In the example, substitute 'James M. Taylor' for 'I', 'Koch Brothers' for 'priest' and 'Heartland Institute' for 'Pope'.

Ad hom is wider than just a straight, personal, 'I discount your idea because you are a jerkwad'.

you are substituting singulars for plurals to make your case.

institutional assaults are not "ad hominem" verrip. "ad hominem" can ONLY be directed against individuals.

but if i wasn't clear in this case, i should have also added that Heartland's views are pretty much exactly those of the Koch Brothers on this subject. and i was attacking the institution of Heartland, rather than any individuals within that institution. just like Heritage, they have their agenda. telling the truth is really not part of it.

I understand what you are writing, and I do not deny that it might possibly be true about individuals versus groups.

I always enjoy learning. Do you have any supporting references to validate your contention?

[changed from 'argument' to 'contention']

[handyman2]

Dezi salt water intrusion has been happening ever since major development has been happening in Florida and large water well complexes have been sucking water out of the aquifer especially along the coastal areas. so much so that major well drilling was halted in some coastal areas in Florida years ago.
Can it happen faster if there is a rise in non-tidal water levels? yes because it will create higher pressures on a depleating natural aquifer level. Florida is like a honey comb under the surface. But the process of salt water intrussion has been going on for some time by loss of the fresh water aquifer. That is why some cities have and are in the process of building desalinization plants to reduce the demand of fresh water wells. Many home wells in Florida have actually gone dry from the natural aquifer loss and some cities have outlawed the drilling of home wells for lawn watering purposes.. Spent 30 years in Florida and have seen it all transpire. If you get the chance go to the University of Florida and view the sub strata make up of the state. Like I say it is like a honey comb. Like I say the supply of the fresh water from the north is drying up and a major factor in the loss of under ground fresh water. That is the scientists conclusion not mine.

[ameiko]

I refuse to believe in climate change because its high priest, Al Gore, is one of its biggest sinners.

It is just a giant scam to leech money from the industries of the first world to give to the third world. If climate change is TRULY a threat, why are only the first worlders punished and taxed? Greenhouse gasses (or whatever the scary word de jeur is) from Africa, India, or China hurt the environment just as terribly as from Europe or the US.

Of course, if Obama really has an issue with it, let him let go of that fuel hog Air Force One!

Oh wait, only the little people have to obey...

[verrip1]

If Al Gore makes the "global warming" arguments and is also a sinner, how does that disprove "global warming"?

[ameiko]

Jul 28, 2011 21:15:07 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

If Al Gore makes the "global warming" arguments and is also a sinner, how does that disprove "global warming"?

Because if climate change is such an epidemic that we must take drastic steps that will devestate our nation and its people, as well as stating that there is no time for debate, then WHY is Al Gore adding so much to the problem?!?!?

Answer: he's a liar and it's just a scam. If a priest told you to not have pre-marital sex or you'll go to hell... as he's leaving a whore house where he is a regular customer, are YOU going to believe him?

If Al Gore truly believed that climate change was a dire enough threat to radically punish and destroy our nation in order to save it, he would be the FIRST ONE to adopt as close to a zero carbon foot print as possible. Instead, his print is about 100 times worse than the average person: liar and fraud.

[ed1066]

Jul 28, 2011 21:25:05 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jul 28, 2011 21:15:07 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

If Al Gore makes the "global warming" arguments and is also a sinner, how does that disprove "global warming"?

Because if climate change is such an epidemic that we must take drastic steps that will devestate our nation and its people, as well as stating that there is no time for debate, then WHY is Al Gore adding so much to the problem?!?!?

Answer: he's a liar and it's just a scam. If a priest told you to not have pre-marital sex or you'll go to hell... as he's leaving a whore house where he is a regular customer, are YOU going to believe him?

If Al Gore truly believed that climate change was a dire enough threat to radically punish and destroy our nation in order to save it, he would be the FIRST ONE to adopt as close to a zero carbon foot print as possible. Instead, his print is about 100 times worse than the average person: liar and fraud.

It's a cult, and like all other cults, the followers are blind...

[deziloooooo]

Jul 28, 2011 21:25:05 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jul 28, 2011 21:15:07 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

If Al Gore makes the "global warming" arguments and is also a sinner, how does that disprove "global warming"?

Because if climate change is such an epidemic that we must take drastic steps that will devestate our nation and its people, as well as stating that there is no time for debate, then WHY is Al Gore adding so much to the problem?!?!?

Answer: he's a liar and it's just a scam. If a priest told you to not have pre-marital sex or you'll go to hell... as he's leaving a whore house where he is a regular customer, are YOU going to believe him?

If Al Gore truly believed that climate change was a dire enough threat to radically punish and destroy our nation in order to save it, he would be the FIRST ONE to adopt as close to a zero carbon foot print as possible. Instead, his print is about 100 times worse than the average person: liar and fraud.

"If a priest told you to not have pre-marital sex or you'll go to hell... as he's leaving a whore house where he is a regular customer, are YOU going to believe him?"

If I am one of the faith, possible and as far as the priest, he's just another human being who has been trained for a task and is weak in his faith, it happens..he doesn't walk on water, his mentor did according to the book, he's just a man..with all the frailities of man.

Gore too, though I understand that home of his is supposed to be up to date with all those energy saving devices , granted it's a big home..but he can afford it, but again, he is just a man, also doesn't walk on water.

Lets say you went to a Doctor , a very good doctor, the best but for one problem you know of, he has a drinking problem, and he told you after a exam that you must stop your heavy drinking, your liver is almost shot as is your kidneys and you know he has a drinking problem himself, would you then dismiss his warning because he is a drinker?