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Post by pig on Jul 27, 2011 8:46:05 GMT -5
I just saw this today on Drudge
SHOCK POLL: 46% Think Most in Congress Corrupt... Developing...
I'm shocked but not in the way this implies. I would have expected that number to be somewhere above 80%. Isn't it obvious that the level of corruption in our government is rampant and out of control?
Do you still have any faith what so ever in our government? If so Why?
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Post by Malarky on Jul 27, 2011 8:50:05 GMT -5
Deleted content. I thought this was posted on EE.
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Post by pig on Jul 27, 2011 8:53:40 GMT -5
The post on socialized medicine in EE is the joke. I'm just curious what people here think about our government and why.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 27, 2011 9:01:24 GMT -5
I just saw this today on Drudge SHOCK POLL: 46% Think Most in Congress Corrupt... Developing... I'm shocked but not in the way this implies. I would have expected that number to be somewhere above 80%. Isn't it obvious that the level of corruption in our government is rampant and out of control? Do you still have any faith what so ever in our government? If so Why? I think that the levels of corruption and incompetence in government at all levels is approximately the same as the levels of corruption and incompetence in the corporate world and in the private lives of individuals. I think that the reporting of such is what creates the perception of greater government corruption and incompetence. My favorite example is when the reports of KBR billing the government for work not actually done in Iraq, the reports weren't about corporate corruption or incompetence but rather the fact that the government paid the bills.
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Post by pig on Jul 27, 2011 9:09:36 GMT -5
Interesting take BoB. Do you think it is any worse for someone in whom the public puts it's trust than say a CEO of some private company to be corrupt?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 27, 2011 9:21:12 GMT -5
Interesting take BoB. Do you think it is any worse for someone in whom the public puts it's trust than say a CEO of some private company to be corrupt? Wish I had time today to really dedicate to this but have a busy day planned out for me. Here is a quick little comment on the above. Corporations exist only because we, through our government, have granted them the right to exist through laws of incorporation. For the rights thus granted to them, they should have the same obligation of honest and competent operation as government.
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Post by pig on Jul 27, 2011 9:39:29 GMT -5
I'm in no hurry if you just post more when you have the time. It's nice to hear ideas that differ from mine and that make sense.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 27, 2011 10:06:23 GMT -5
Interesting take BoB. Do you think it is any worse for someone in whom the public puts it's trust than say a CEO of some private company to be corrupt? Wish I had time today to really dedicate to this but have a busy day planned out for me. Here is a quick little comment on the above. Corporations exist only because we, through our government, have granted them the right to exist through laws of incorporation. For the rights thus granted to them, they should have the same obligation of honest and competent operation as government. The irony there being that there are far more regulatory agencies and rules that private corporations must follow compared to the government (of which government is one of the entities doing the regulating on private business). In fact, you will find that corporations have many outside agencies doing their regulating and auditing, while the government only utilizes internal (i.e. other government) agencies to do their regulating - thus leading government to essentially regulate itself. This, of course, leads to more and deeper corruption...
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Post by pig on Jul 27, 2011 10:50:09 GMT -5
Nice point JKapp.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 27, 2011 13:38:28 GMT -5
The question is not so much why politicians are corrupt, but why anyone who's not corrupt would subject themselves to the abuse to which they are subjected. If anything, politicians are less corrupt than those who elect them ~ you occasionally get a Ron Paul who tells it like it is, but most would never get elected in the first place, much less reelected. Politicians are also typically smarter than those who call them stupid. One of the problems of government is that it is essentially the fox guarding the hen house, therefore the virtue of limited government.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 27, 2011 13:45:30 GMT -5
I just saw this today on Drudge SHOCK POLL: 46% Think Most in Congress Corrupt... Developing... I'm shocked but not in the way this implies. I would have expected that number to be somewhere above 80%. Isn't it obvious that the level of corruption in our government is rampant and out of control? Do you still have any faith what so ever in our government? If so Why? ...I'm with you... I'd expect a higher #... but still wonder why people can act "shocked" that our credit rating is set to degrade... go figure...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 27, 2011 13:49:01 GMT -5
...having said that... I do wonder how the question was worded... I think Congress as a whole is corrupted... but do I think the majority are corrupted? maybe not so much... mostly due to not knowing much about the other 45 states or so that I don't have immediate ties to... so haven't been paying much attention to their guys...
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 28, 2011 11:29:34 GMT -5
Interesting take BoB. Do you think it is any worse for someone in whom the public puts it's trust than say a CEO of some private company to be corrupt? What is particularly galling to me are corporate executives who rip off the American people by defrauding the government. Should it be legitimate to charge an American citizen who defrauds the government with treason?
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Post by rockon on Jul 28, 2011 11:56:08 GMT -5
Business and commerce would exist without the government so the government does not allow business to exist it has in fact created legal entities that can be formed known as corporations so they can control, regulate and track business and commerce. What our government has failed to do is control the size of these corporations as they are supposed to do. Many have now merged and formed monopolies or have become so big they are considered by some to be too big to allow them to fail. Our politicians have found them to be great for campaign donations and these corporations use this option to influence legislation. But at the end of the day we the voters are responsible. We keep voting the same groups back into office, we still buy the corporations product or stock. If you want different results you must demand accountability at the voting booth. Kind of like the Tea Party is doing today.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 28, 2011 12:25:00 GMT -5
Interesting take BoB. Do you think it is any worse for someone in whom the public puts it's trust than say a CEO of some private company to be corrupt? What is particularly galling to me are corporate executives who rip off the American people by defrauding the government. Should it be legitimate to charge an American citizen who defrauds the government with treason? Possibly...but then we might find a greater shortage of doctors because of Medicare/medicaid fraud.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 28, 2011 12:30:06 GMT -5
What is particularly galling to me are corporate executives who rip off the American people by defrauding the government. Should it be legitimate to charge an American citizen who defrauds the government with treason? Possibly...but then we might find a greater shortage of doctors because of Medicare/medicaid fraud. No lose. I wouldn't trust a doctor who rips me off. The doctor who participates in Medicare/Medicaid fraud is doing that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 28, 2011 12:39:29 GMT -5
I just saw this today on Drudge SHOCK POLL: 46% Think Most in Congress Corrupt... Developing... I'm shocked but not in the way this implies. I would have expected that number to be somewhere above 80%. Isn't it obvious that the level of corruption in our government is rampant and out of control? Do you still have any faith what so ever in our government? If so Why? corruption is probably the main problem we have in our republic.
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