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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2011 17:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jul 22, 2011 17:54:06 GMT -5
Didn't Boehner already get his job done, he passed a bill raising the debt ceiling.
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 22, 2011 17:59:56 GMT -5
Boehner's pulled out of talking with the President about it and is moving to get discussions going with Senate leaders. CBS news says it's because Obama made a last minute push for major revenue increases. That's what led to the last breakdown in talks between House Republicans and the President. Apparently Obama thought it would be different this time.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 22, 2011 18:10:40 GMT -5
Inconceivable: Boehner Pulls Out The only inconceivable part is that Obama thought Boehner would not: Apparently Obama thought it would be different this time. How many times does Obama have to learn that there really are politicians who recognize the necessity for fiscal responsibility?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 18:12:22 GMT -5
actually, this is the SECOND time he pulled out. the first was about a week and a half ago. Boehner in Boehner out Boehner in Boehner out remind you of anything? is America happy? is America satisfied? is America lying back and taking it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 18:13:06 GMT -5
Didn't Boehner already get his job done, he passed a bill raising the debt ceiling. yeah. give him a bonus. heh heh
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 22, 2011 18:22:10 GMT -5
never thought I would say this .. I'm ready for the shutdown ... when the market crashes and the rightie's 401K's go in the toilet ... they'll be whining like stuck pigs ... I put my money in cash some time ago .. so i'll be able to enjoy the panic in the knee jerk righties that have the truly goofy idea that the budget problems can be fixed with only cuts and no new revenues
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Post by henryclay on Jul 22, 2011 18:31:47 GMT -5
ungenteel, If you really and truly want new revenues I'll tell you haow to get them tomorrow. It will also start us on the road to energy independence, lower the cost of energy, and put a couiple of million Americans back to work in the process. Let American oil companies go back to providing our petroleum needs. But of course that would be political suicide to Obama, so the country will continue to suffer his schoolyard bully's egotisim instead.
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Post by luckyme on Jul 22, 2011 18:47:15 GMT -5
never thought I would say this .. I'm ready for the shutdown ... when the market crashes and the rightie's 401K's go in the toilet ... they'll be whining like stuck pigs ... I put my money in cash some time ago .. so i'll be able to enjoy the panic in the knee jerk righties that have the truly goofy idea that the budget problems can be fixed with only cuts and no new revenues Quite frankly, I'm tired of every gov't entity, city/state/fed NOT cutting their spending and then going to the tax payers to foot the bill for their lack of fiscal responsibility!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 18:51:00 GMT -5
Boehner, called his own news conference to respond to the president and accused Obama of "moving the goal posts" by demanding $400 billion in tax increases on top of about $800 billion in revenues that would have been reaped through a comprehensive rewrite of the tax code. "It's time to get serious ... if the White House won't get serious, we will," said Boehner. "We've put plan after plan on the table ... never once did the president come to the table with a plan," said Boehner. "We were always pushing." In a letter circulated to the House Republican rank and file, the speaker said he had withdrawn from the talks with Obama because "in the end, we couldn't connect." He said he would turn instead to negotiations with leaders of the Senate, which is controlled by majority Democrats. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43851666/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/boehner-pulls-out-white-house-debt-talks/
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Post by b2r on Jul 22, 2011 18:57:56 GMT -5
Re: Inconceivable: Boehner Pulls Out Watch President Obama's Full Press Conference on the Debt TalksBoehner: Obama 'Moved the Goal Posts' on Debt-Ceiling Deal
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Post by henryclay on Jul 22, 2011 18:58:25 GMT -5
"moving the goal posts" That's exactly what I said. Negotiating with Obama is like negotiating with a schoolyard bully. Kudos to you, Mr. Boehner. If you were here I'd give you a Karma.
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Post by luckyme on Jul 22, 2011 19:01:07 GMT -5
From what I'm hearing. Boehner agreed with the $800 billion in revenue increases but last minute changes by Obama, an added $400 billion in TAX INCREASES to the upper income/corp levels.
This last minute change was forced on Obama by his own party who flipped over cuts in the entitlements.
You have two sides, two stories, but with Obama having the power of the press conference, I'm sure the public will end up blaming the Rep.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2011 19:01:42 GMT -5
... He said he would turn instead to negotiations with leaders of the Senate, which is controlled by majority Democrats. ... So the Speaker of the House (one part of the legislative branch) is going work together with the leaders of the Senate to develop legislation that both houses of Congress can agree on. Once they have done so, they will send it to the President to either sign or veto. Why that sounds almost, what might you call it?, constitutional.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 19:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 22, 2011 19:11:17 GMT -5
<<ungenteel, If you really and truly want new revenues I'll tell you haow to get them tomorrow. It will also start us on the road to energy independence, lower the cost of energy, and put a couiple of million Americans back to work in the process. Let American oil companies go back to providing our petroleum needs. But of course that would be political suicide to Obama, so the country will continue to suffer his schoolyard bully's egotisim instead.>>
Henry ... I used to work for a company associated with oil .. we made pipeline valves .. a big part of our business forecast was the "rig count" .. it had to do with how many rigs were pumping .. the oil industry pumps when it is advantageous and idles the rigs when it is better to buy.
I do agree that energy independence is critical to our future ... but how we get there is conjecture and subject to alternate visions
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 19:15:26 GMT -5
House Speaker John Boehner responded to criticism voiced by President Obama about walking out of the debt talks. Though, Boehner remains confident a deal can be reached between lawmakers to avoid a default on government loans.
Boehner accused Obama of "moving the goal posts" by demanding $400 billion in tax increases on top of about $800 billion in revenues in a last-minute push for a big deal.Ok so $400 billion in tax increases over ten years = $40 billion per year ..which Boehner knows the Tea Party members in his caucus would never go along with so he walked... And Obama is ticked off..meanwhile some of us are wondering if we will get our government checks next month..
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 19:15:39 GMT -5
"moving the goal posts" That's exactly what I said. Negotiating with Obama is like negotiating with a schoolyard bully. Kudos to you, Mr. Boehner. If you were here I'd give you a Karma. Obama? BULLY? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA news to me. if so, he might just get my vote next year. but i seriously....SERIOUSLY doubt it.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 22, 2011 19:16:48 GMT -5
Having listened to many of Obama's comments I get the impression that he wants an open ended check book to do as he pleases. I hope nobody flinches and gives him what he wants. The Democrats in Congress better remember they must face the voters and the people seem to me to be fed up and want a balanced budget and lower taxes.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 22, 2011 19:37:23 GMT -5
Get real Mr. President. I'll hold my breath!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 20:03:51 GMT -5
Having listened to many of Obama's comments I get the impression that he wants an open ended check book to do as he pleases. i listened to his comments, and i did not get that impression at all. can you get specific, and tell me what he said that indicated that to you? i also listened to Boehner's comments, and i found them very very interesting. he keeps reiterating this supply side garbage, but he is actually talking about revenue increases, which i didn't hear before today. he also said that the Tea Party will not stop this from happening, which is also good news. all in all, i liked what both men said.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 22, 2011 20:16:40 GMT -5
Dj: It goes like this. As Boehner said they think they have a deal and then Obama moves the goal post. I am wondering if Obama is not trying to force the congress hand into giving him the option of raising the debt ceiling himself. If that does happen then he will in effect have that open ended check book. Just my opinion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 20:23:14 GMT -5
Dj: It goes like this. As Boehner said they think they have a deal and then Obama moves the goal post. I am wondering if Obama is not trying to force the congress hand into giving him the option of raising the debt ceiling himself. If that does happen then he will in effect have that open ended check book. Just my opinion. OH! sorry- i misunderstood you. yeah- you mean the "no strings attached" deal? actually, i think that works for the GOP, too. they get out of it without any revenue enhancement issues. and i think it IS going to go that way. but Obama won't go for something that requires renewal every 6 months.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 22, 2011 21:21:55 GMT -5
ungenteel said"
It's good to know that you know how it works. You must also know that it was not qn American rig, (and I hope it wasn't one of your company's valves), that caused the Gulf leak about a year ago. You know, the one that cost some Americans their property and entire life's work? That one.
Why wasn't it an American rig? Why was a foreign rig pumping oill within sight of the Louisiana Gulf coast? Americans engineered seabed oil productiion and there has never been such an occurence on an American rig. And everybody wants American companies to stay in America and give Americans work.
We need a new president. This one not only won't give American companies the opportunity to do that, but he also wants to tax more of them out of buisiness to boot.
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Post by dancinmama on Jul 22, 2011 21:23:14 GMT -5
This is the second time this week that I have heard Obama say something to the effect that the sooner they cut the debt and deficit, the sooner they can start looking at new programs that will "invest" in the future. Isn't that the same as saying, "The sooner I loose weight, the sooner I can have a donut"? Here's what he said: "If you're a progressive, you should want to get our fiscal house in order because once we do, it allows us then to have a serious conversation about the investments (Obama's code word for spending money) we want to make like infrastructure, like rebuilding our roads and bridges and airports (more of those shovel-ready projects), like investing in college education, like making sure that we're focused on the kinds of research and technology that's going to help us win the future. It's a lot easier to do that when we've got our fiscal house in order." What is going to help us "win the future" and "get our fiscal house in order" is when Obama stops playing games and lays out what taxes and regulations that he will/will not impose on businesses so that they can PLAN how THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD to expand and CREATE jobs. Obama already blew billions and billions of dollars of OUR money (YOURS and MINE) in an attempt to "spend our way to prosperity". That's billions and billions of dollars that now have to be paid back WITH INTEREST over the next 10, 20, , years. The ONLY way that we are going to be able to pay that debt is to cut all unnecessary spending (no frills - just like millions of Americans are doing as they sit around their kitchen tables looking at their own budgets) and to expand the tax base through job creation so that the revenue is provided by corporations by providing jobs to private citizens who in turn PAY TAXES: income taxes and payroll taxes (social security and medicare). Government jobs (with all due respect to government workers) suck money FROM THE government; private sector jobs provide money TO THE government.
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 22, 2011 22:42:34 GMT -5
<<Why wasn't it an American rig? Why was a foreign rig pumping oill within sight of the Louisiana Gulf coast? Americans engineered seabed oil productiion and there has never been such an occurence on an American rig. And everybody wants American companies to stay in America and give Americans work.>>
Since righties are so big on the Constitution ... how would an American President constitutionally control what you are lamenting?
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 22, 2011 22:50:24 GMT -5
It actually might have helped if Obama had ever crafted a complete plan and put it on the table.
He did what Obama does. He put concepts of certain aspects of a plan on the table, in increments. Not an entire plan. It's obvious that his Party told him he must insist on major revenue increases, when he knew perfectly well that the only revenue increases his opposition would accept, even reluctantly, were modest ones. So he threw what he knew to be a dealbreaker at the Republicans. Damned stupid negotiating technique, as I said.
His fake indignation is nothing more than digging in of his heels. And he tried to convince us that he wanted to compromise. What a crock of bullshit.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 22, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
Logged in to K you, Verrip.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 23, 2011 0:06:47 GMT -5
ungenteel said: I offer an opportunity for ungenteel to take a look at how he does it: Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced Wednesday afternoon that the Obama administration will not allow offshore oil drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico or off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as part of the next five-year drilling plan, reversing two key policy changes President Obama announced in late March. (Washington Post, Dec 1, 2010) And I was wrong about it bringing back a million lost jobs. It's one point two million jobs, as in 1,200,000. Not enough to balance out the needed 5 million new jobs needed just to pay the salaries of government new hires since Obama took office, but it "would" be a start. If anyone really needs a reason for the Gulf states all being red on the voter map, this is as far as they need to look.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 23, 2011 2:31:33 GMT -5
...inconceivable? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." ;D
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