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Post by mmhmm on Jul 23, 2011 15:37:23 GMT -5
.. .Take him out in public and shoot him in the face. make sure it is televised around the world. Wimps. re: my reply #20 Then there are those who will strengthen my anti-death penalty resolve. I hear you, billis. Sometimes, I find myself trying to pick my lower jaw up off the floor when reading some of this stuff.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 23, 2011 16:23:31 GMT -5
re: my reply #20 Then there are those who will strengthen my anti-death penalty resolve. I hear you, billis. Sometimes, I find myself trying to pick my lower jaw up off the floor when reading some of this stuff. Right , much better that this child-killer should live out his days in the notoriously comfortable prisons of Norway, where they have satellite TV and saunas...while he is being "rehabilitated"...
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Post by cereb on Jul 23, 2011 16:43:57 GMT -5
I hear you, billis. Sometimes, I find myself trying to pick my lower jaw up off the floor when reading some of this stuff. Right , much better that this child-killer should live out his days in the notoriously comfortable prisons of Norway, where they have satellite TV and saunas...while he is being "rehabilitated"... The crime was committed by a Norweigen national upon the citizens of Norway. Norway will deal with him as they see fit, as is their right to do so.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 23, 2011 16:53:46 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2011 16:57:15 GMT -5
I hear you, billis. Sometimes, I find myself trying to pick my lower jaw up off the floor when reading some of this stuff. Right , much better that this child-killer should live out his days in the notoriously comfortable prisons of Norway, where they have satellite TV and saunas...while he is being "rehabilitated"... Or we can allow him to strip us of our humanity by his lack of it.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 23, 2011 17:14:42 GMT -5
Right , much better that this child-killer should live out his days in the notoriously comfortable prisons of Norway, where they have satellite TV and saunas...while he is being "rehabilitated"... Why do you want to indict their prison system- which is notoriously more successful than ours- because of one asshole? Do you really believe the bullshit deterrent theory about the death penalty? Do you think it would have stopped this guy? Look at the bright side- there are almost 200 pissed off parents out there- some of which might happily trade a small stint in the comfy prison to take his ass out.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 23, 2011 17:33:39 GMT -5
One thing you find among those in prison is that many were abused as children and do not take kindly to child abusers. Not to worry, they will take care of the issue when the killer gets there.
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Post by steff on Jul 23, 2011 17:34:25 GMT -5
I'm pro-death penalty..and had this happened in our country, I would say this guy absolutely should face the death penalty. BUT, it didn't happen in our country, he's not a citizen here. We cannot decide how other countries choose to run their justice system. We can be outraged by it, horrified by it, and voice our displeasure, but we cannot tell another country how they should handle situations such as this or expect them to do what we would here.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 23, 2011 17:36:55 GMT -5
Maybe they can give him consecutive sentences for each victim.
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Post by Opti on Jul 23, 2011 17:38:39 GMT -5
Interesting article and I hope the idea spreads to other countries including ours. Hate and revenge do not beget peace they breed more of the same. I finished watching a Hindi film New York New York set after 9/11. The idea for the film was based on the 1200 men who were detained after 9/11. In watching the film, it was obvious and scary that treating people like animal abusers treat animals that creating a terrorist in someone who wasn't one before is a very likely outcome. I recommend watching it, although I found some of it very harsh.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 23, 2011 17:48:41 GMT -5
Right , much better that this child-killer should live out his days in the notoriously comfortable prisons of Norway, where they have satellite TV and saunas...while he is being "rehabilitated"... Or we can allow him to strip us of our humanity by his lack of it. It's inhumane to punish a child killer commensurate to his crime? Oh, I forgot, you're a liberal, never mind...
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 23, 2011 17:50:36 GMT -5
Yes, we can. But why are the liberals here not doing that? Do they not care that this killer won't face real justice in his liberal, neutered nation?
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Post by steff on Jul 23, 2011 17:54:20 GMT -5
Yes, we can. But why are the liberals here not doing that? Do they not care that this killer won't face real justice in his liberal, neutered nation? It's not in my country and part of what I believe is that we're all into every other country's business way too much as it is. It's simply not our place to tell everyone else exactly what they should be doing. Yes, I'm horrified by the deaths, what the people in the city and the terrified kids went thru and the rampage involved. And I did say, if it had happened HERE, I'd be 100% calling for him to face the death penatly, but it didn't.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 23, 2011 17:57:57 GMT -5
I'm wondering if there's going to be an outcry from the Norwegian people for stiffer penalties.
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Post by steff on Jul 23, 2011 18:04:59 GMT -5
I'm wondering if there's going to be an outcry from the Norwegian people for stiffer penalties. If they do, then it's what they want in their country. If they don't, then that's also the decision they made for their country. It's not up to us to decide what their murder penalties are.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 23, 2011 19:37:10 GMT -5
I am with you on this one ToughTimes. That is one reason I could never be a policeman. If I arrested a person who I was sure did this to innocent children I assure you that person would never make it to jail. I would be the one in the slammer and I would make no apologies for that. It is just the way I am. Child abuse and murder is a crime of the lowest of the low. What is worrysome is his anti-muslim stance is growing in strength in many countries abroad.
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Post by Opti on Jul 23, 2011 20:44:58 GMT -5
Yes, we can. But why are the liberals here not doing that? Do they not care that this killer won't face real justice in his liberal, neutered nation? This liberal believes we all have multiple lives and that incidents like this and even more horrifying were agreed to by all participants before they were born on to this planet. I also believe like some great thinkers of our time that the desire for justice and belief in law is much lower on the ethics scale than say a Christ or a Mother Theresa. While I do not know what lesson the killer might have been born to learn; it is possible the parents and the kids that escaped came to learn about forgiveness and compassion. To learn great forgiveness one has to experience something very big to forgive. <I may delete this post soon. I know Ed won't get it and more posters will be deeply offended versus the few that see the possibilities of it. Why the world after all these years still has conflict, wars, murder, etc. Because souls learn from being on both sides of conflict. Like the poster who has the phrase about those who don't make mistakes aren't doing anything those who live "perfect YM" approved lives are probably learning less than most.> ETA: I feel for the suffering of the surviving kids, their parents and those who died in this very unpeaceful way. I believe Norway has the right to handle this however they choose and their low reoffend rate which is less than half of ours shows their philosphy IMO is far better than ours here.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 23, 2011 21:02:31 GMT -5
I am with you on this one ToughTimes. That is one reason I could never be a policeman. If I arrested a person who I was sure did this to innocent children I assure you that person would never make it to jail. I would be the one in the slammer and I would make no apologies for that. It is just the way I am. Child abuse and murder is a crime of the lowest of the low. What is worrysome is his anti-muslim stance is growing in strength in many countries abroad. Handy man, Thank-you for your openness.. K4U I have heard this before... Yes, but you know those second before he gives up??? What we are seeing in the EU is the expansion of the gap between the left and the right. We see that in Greece where the left are not giving up the gains over the last 40 years.. And the right where the Finns are going "True-Finns" right party... Things are looking bad for the EU now.. Just a thought, Bi Metal Au Pt
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 23, 2011 21:07:33 GMT -5
This just seems to be the season for child-killers and how I wish it wasn't. First the Casey Anthony situation, then the Hassidic Child-killing Nut in Brooklyn, now the latest Mr. Crazy-man. And like it or not, his supposed political beliefs were Ultra-Nationalist, Right-Wing, not Hippie or "Progressive," not that I really give a damn. Were it up to me, he would be buried up to the neck at low tide and then could watch the water come in slowly. Tough Times , K4U also...like True Finns"" this will be the undoing of the EU and ECB in the long run.. Esp when the right and savers vs Left and spenders like Finland vs Greece in the votes over bail out.. Just a thought, Bi Metal Au Pt
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2011 21:18:07 GMT -5
... I may delete this post soon. ... Please don't.
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Post by cereb on Jul 23, 2011 22:12:01 GMT -5
"It's inhumane to punish a child killer commensurate to his crime? Oh, I forgot, you're a liberal, never mind... "
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 23, 2011 23:16:11 GMT -5
The killer is one more in a long line of self righteous righties ... like the rightie creep, Tim McVeigh, he didn't have the integrity to kill himself when he was caught
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 24, 2011 10:30:46 GMT -5
What ever the penalty ..I think more is made of that then necessary, there is no penalty that makes up for this outrage..if he is put into prison, I take it there is not death penalty, he will never be let out , ever...so what will be will be.. ---------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html---------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] ---------------------------------- Tragedy in Norway SUNDVOLLEN, Norway (Reuters) - "Norway mourned on Sunday 93 people killed in a shooting spree and car bombing by a Norwegian who saw his attacks as "atrocious, but necessary" to defeat liberal immigration policies and the spread of Islam. In his first comment via a lawyer since his arrest, Anders Behring Breivik, 32, said he wanted to explain himself at a court hearing on Monday about extending his custody. "He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary," Geir Lippestad said. The lawyer said Breivik had admitted to Friday's shootings at a Labour party youth camp and the bombing that killed seven people in Oslo's government district a few hours earlier. However, "he feels that what he has done does not deserve punishment," Lippestad told NRK public television."
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Post by wyouser on Jul 25, 2011 10:37:24 GMT -5
Ironic isnt it? The guy arrested apparrently has ties to Neo-nazi groups, but it was a reaction to Nazi excess s that resulted in Western European states all abolishing the death penalty in the years after WWII
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