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Post by dudleydoright on Jul 22, 2011 8:23:28 GMT -5
As a long time manager....I think you have to differentiate between an "appraisal" and a "recommendation". An appraisal requires that you actually write "something" on a current employee and therefore does require some creative phrasing at times for various reasons. You can't refrain from an appraisal. A recommendation is just that...you think highly enough of someone to recommend them to strangers. I don't see any reason to agree to write a recommendation for someone you don't think well of. A recommendation is as much about your integrity as their qualifications.
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Post by Waffle on Jul 22, 2011 8:32:26 GMT -5
As a long time manager....I think you have to differentiate between an "appraisal" and a "recommendation". An appraisal requires that you actually write "something" on a current employee and therefore does require some creative phrasing at times for various reasons. You can't refrain from an appraisal. A recommendation is just that...you think highly enough of someone to recommend them strangers. I don't see any reason to agree to write a recommendation for someone you don't think well of. A recommendation is as much about your integrity as their qualifications. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 22, 2011 9:37:09 GMT -5
As a long time manager....I think you have to differentiate between an "appraisal" and a "recommendation". An appraisal requires that you actually write "something" on a current employee and therefore does require some creative phrasing at times for various reasons. You can't refrain from an appraisal. A recommendation is just that...you think highly enough of someone to recommend them strangers. I don't see any reason to agree to write a recommendation for someone you don't think well of. A recommendation is as much about your integrity as their qualifications. And if you write a recommendation for her, what is that doing to the other people you have/will write recommendations for? Will your good recommendations of them be ignored if it gets around that you wrote one for her and it's not truthful/helpful/not quite sure what word is right here.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 22, 2011 9:44:08 GMT -5
This is the first time that someone has asked me to write them a recommendation for the perio program. Normally, we get the perio residents in the lab after they've been admitted to the program, so recommendations are not necessary.
I have written a recommendation for a student to get into dental school though. I had absolutely no problem whatsoever recommending her for anything. I'd kill to get her back into the lab!
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Post by bring in the new year on Jul 22, 2011 21:35:55 GMT -5
Mich, don't do it.
As dudley said, that's the difference between an appraisal or an assessment and a recommendation. They're not supposed to be handing the recommendations out like cracker jack prizes.
Look at it this way, supposing your rec means she gets the place someone else would have gotten without it. Are you good with being stuck with her?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 23, 2011 6:45:12 GMT -5
Sorry, but in general, i have to assume most people going into a profession are doing so because they generally want to do a good job. Most people who get up and go to work everyday of their lives do so with the intention of doing a good job. And, for a young person, maybe this person had a rough start. Sometimes you learn life in the school of hard knocks. It is always easy to sit back and "write someone off" as if they are never going to amount to much. Apparently, she is now showing up and doing what you require. Other than extracting blood, what else do you want? As a professional, you should be able to write a professional evaluation. And, certainly you could include a rough start but that she was able to overcome her shortcomings or whatever. And, not being a fit with you doesn't mean that this person is not going to be a good employee elsewhere. I get that you are annoyed and rightly so. And, if you really don't want to write anything that is your choice. Tell her to ask the boss instead. If mich doesn't write the recommendation, or inputs the negative aspects of the girl's work ethics, the girl will be getting another lesson in the "school of hard knocks" to learn from.
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Post by Genuine GA Peach on Jul 23, 2011 15:07:51 GMT -5
Mich, for what it's worth I vote for the 'sorry, we aren't permitted to verify anything other than the dates you worked here' line. And tell the boss that's what you're doing & why.
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Post by bring in the new year on Jul 23, 2011 15:31:48 GMT -5
Snerdly, you're right that just because the girl is not a good fit for mich doesn't mean she won't fit in somewhere else.
But it's not Mich's job to find the place where she will fit in.
You said the other day that your kiids work hard at their sports and their schoolwork and will just do fine at their jobs when it's time.
I'm assuming this girl is good at academics since she got the position int he first place. Don't you see using this kid that there are things - just routine, regular things like showing up on time and doing what your boss asks you - that this kid should have learned BEFORE she took this job?
A recommendation is something you earn - it's not a grade or an evaluation, both of which mich may have to submit. It's something you earn by dint of your hard work and sometimes brilliance. I wouldn't do it.
And I guarantee the next student she gets will know that about mich and work harder.
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