One way to help lower entitlement cost

[reasonfreedom]

www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/third-of-citizens-obese-in-12-states-agency-says.html


Tell the fatties to stop eating the junk food.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

What did that story have to do with entitlements?

[reasonfreedom]

"Medicare and Medicaid, the government health plans, each spend more than 20 percent of their budgets to treat illnesses related to obesity and smoking, avoidable health risks, according to the Trust for America’s Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation."

[Shirina]

You just don't want Michelle Obama telling people to stop eating junk food. I see how it works.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...despite the seeming absurdity in this, herein lies a valid dilemma... when govt. provides health care, they can provide lifestyle instructions to promote health... it's axiomatic...

[Deleted]

This is America. I eat what I want.

[swamp]

Jul 19, 2011 17:27:01 GMT -5 Shirina said:

You just don't want Michelle Obama telling people to stop eating junk food. I see how it works.

I think what they're trying to say is that it's OK if Republicans tell us what to do, but not Democrats.....

[chiver78]

Jul 20, 2011 8:33:50 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 19, 2011 17:27:01 GMT -5 Shirina said:

You just don't want Michelle Obama telling people to stop eating junk food. I see how it works.

I think what they're trying to say is that it's OK if Republicans tell us what to do, but not Democrats.....

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 19, 2011 17:27:01 GMT -5 Shirina said:

You just don't want Michelle Obama telling people to stop eating junk food. I see how it works.

Did I ever say that? I hope she turns those fatties into skinnies. Actually I hope all people start telling fatties to start eating healthy, maybe it will make them more health conscious.

[floridayankee]

Obesity is defined as having a body mass index above 30.

I'm a 28-29...Woohoo!

Since the linked NHLBI chart stops at 6'4"/76", I guess taller people don't have a BMI?!?!

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 20, 2011 8:32:37 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

This is America. I eat what I want.

That is fine with me, I don't even care if you ingest human urine or feces, as long as your not getting medical treatment with my hard earned tax dollars.

[Deleted]

I'll eat pee pee and poo poo if I feel like it.

[jkapp]

Jul 20, 2011 9:44:45 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Jul 19, 2011 17:27:01 GMT -5 Shirina said:

You just don't want Michelle Obama telling people to stop eating junk food. I see how it works.

Did I ever say that? I hope she turns those fatties into skinnies. Actually I hope all people start telling fatties to start eating healthy, maybe it will make them more health conscious.

I'd prefer a more general push for increased personal responsibility...however, taking the responsiblily off of others to allow them to be stupid and avoid conseqences is the Democrat platform...so no chance of that happening, unfortunately

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 20, 2011 9:46:37 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Obesity is defined as having a body mass index above 30.

I'm a 28-29...Woohoo!

Since the linked NHLBI chart stops at 6'4"/76", I guess taller people don't have a BMI?!?!

Actually I think BMI is a very inefficent measuring tool. Body fat percentage through other means is best(Dexa, MRI, calipers(least efficient)). I have a higher BMI but I am mainly muscle, with 10% body fat(and decreasing). I have been fluctuating because I experiment with multiple diets and workout programs(like a human guinea pig).

[floridayankee]

Jul 20, 2011 9:52:04 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Actually I think BMI is a very inefficent measuring tool.

I agree. Considering muscle is heavier than fat, a higher weight doesn't always mean one is obese.

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 20, 2011 10:24:32 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jul 20, 2011 9:52:04 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Actually I think BMI is a very inefficent measuring tool.

I agree. Considering muscle is heavier than fat, a higher weight doesn't always mean one is obese.

Yeah, and being taller doesn't mean you have more or less muscle it just means you have more bone.

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 20, 2011 9:48:22 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I'll eat pee pee and poo poo if I feel like it.

I don't want to know about your fetishes

[verrip1]

No need to worry about stuff like this. Soon, the Death Panels will be in place.

[Deleted]

Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as

[vonnie6200]

Jul 20, 2011 8:29:25 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

...despite the seeming absurdity in this, herein lies a valid dilemma... when govt. provides health care, they can provide lifestyle instructions to promote health... it's axiomatic...

kind of like your sex life - do what you want, but do not ask me to help pay for it

[Deleted]

The truth is that it sounds a lot easier to change your diet than it is. People tend to grow up "locked" into a diet because that's what they are used to eating. For instance:

One of the things that I was told to cut down on is pasta. Not a big problem for me because I didn't grow up eating a lot of pasta. My wife on the other hand (the cook) did grow up on pasta. Rather than substituting something like beans (which I can have) she still buys pasta. The "new" pasta is made from day old feces & tastes like it was made from week old feces but it's still pasta (OK they claim it's made from something healthy but trust me it's made from feces). The end result is that we still get pasta about 3 times per week that doesn't taste good.
(oh & for those that say "just change" I'll assume that you aren't married & are clueless).

[Trongersoll]

I'm a Fatty, and ya know what? This is America, its a Life, Liberty, and persuit of happiness sort of thing.

There are some addictions that just can't be kicked. For many eating is one of them, for others it is sex. You don't want me to use your tax $$ to stay alive, fine, I'll use mine then. We'll use yours to kill people and with the change we'll buy sex for the politicians. People don't choose to be fat intentionally, they don't say to themselves " gee, being fat sounds like fun! Being unattractive to most of the population is the cool thing to do! I want to be the target of all the Fat jokes too!"

No, what these people do is choose not to suffer what their messed up bodies make them feel when they try and do without.

[reasonfreedom]

Jul 20, 2011 13:50:14 GMT -5 Trongersoll said:

I'm a Fatty, and ya know what? This is America, its a Life, Liberty, and persuit of happiness sort of thing.

There are some addictions that just can't be kicked. For many eating is one of them, for others it is sex. You don't want me to use your tax $$ to stay alive, fine, I'll use mine then. We'll use yours to kill people and with the change we'll buy sex for the politicians. People don't choose to be fat intentionally, they don't say to themselves " gee, being fat sounds like fun! Being unattractive to most of the population is the cool thing to do! I want to be the target of all the Fat jokes too!"

No, what these people do is choose not to suffer what their messed up bodies make them feel when they try and do without.

Of course it is intentional, you put the food in your mouth don't you or do you subconsciously do it all day long not able to use your normal conscious. Nah that is just a bs excuse. Food is not an addiction, I don't know of any chemicals in food that make the body want more. What it is, is mental weakness or a crutch for depression. Just in case anybody wants to pull that stupid genetics card, here is a quote from Eric Lander the head of the genome project(a 13 year genetics project).

"People will think that because genes play a role in something, they determine everything. We see, again and again, people saying, "It's all genetic. I can't do anything about it" That's nonsense. To say that something has a genetic component does not make it unchangeable."

If you need motivation get a personal trainer, if you need to be better informed speak to a nutritionist or pick up some books and read them. I myself have tried several different diets and workout programs(conventional and radical). Currently I work out only 30 minutes 2 times a week( Occam's protocol ), just started this program and so far so good( I need a little more time for valid statistics). I am also on a slow carb diet, which is phenomenal except the not so wide range of food(but there is more than enough to keep it going). By the way I am in the IT field and sit in a cubicle on my bootie most of the day.

[jkapp]

Jul 20, 2011 16:26:09 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Jul 20, 2011 13:50:14 GMT -5 Trongersoll said:

I'm a Fatty, and ya know what? This is America, its a Life, Liberty, and persuit of happiness sort of thing.

There are some addictions that just can't be kicked. For many eating is one of them, for others it is sex. You don't want me to use your tax $$ to stay alive, fine, I'll use mine then. We'll use yours to kill people and with the change we'll buy sex for the politicians. People don't choose to be fat intentionally, they don't say to themselves " gee, being fat sounds like fun! Being unattractive to most of the population is the cool thing to do! I want to be the target of all the Fat jokes too!"

No, what these people do is choose not to suffer what their messed up bodies make them feel when they try and do without.

Of course it is intentional, you put the food in your mouth don't you or do you subconsciously do it all day long not able to use your normal conscious. Nah that is just a bs excuse. Food is not an addiction, I don't know of any chemicals in food that make the body want more. What it is, is mental weakness or a crutch for depression. Just in case anybody wants to pull that stupid genetics card, here is a quote from Eric Lander the head of the genome project(a 13 year genetics project).

"People will think that because genes play a role in something, they determine everything. We see, again and again, people saying, "It's all genetic. I can't do anything about it" That's nonsense. To say that something has a genetic component does not make it unchangeable."

If you need motivation get a personal trainer, if you need to be better informed speak to a nutritionist or pick up some books and read them. I myself have tried several different diets and workout programs(conventional and radical). Currently I work out only 30 minutes 2 times a week( Occam's protocol ), just started this program and so far so good( I need a little more time for valid statistics). I am also on a slow carb diet, which is phenomenal except the not so wide range of food(but there is more than enough to keep it going). By the way I am in the IT field and sit in a cubicle on my bootie most of the day.

Well then why are we also paying for people's sexual habits? That is an intentional choice as well...or people's breaks and sprains from physical activity? Also a conscious choice. That is a great way to end entitlements and health costs though - only pay for those things that are not a conscious choice.

And food can be addictive...not because of anything in the food, but by how your body/mind responds to the food. Just like sex addiction, video game addiction, TV addiction, gambling addiction, and many other types of addiction.

[reasonfreedom]

Breaks and sprains are accidental, not intentional and they are accidental from a healthy activity. I don't think we should be paying for sexual habits though. Those are not addictions, those are miss uses of the word addiction, those are mental weaknesses, bad habits or disorders. Otherwise I can sit here and say that for me to tie my shoe every day when I go out is an addiction or that I turn off the lights at night is an addiction or that I eat three meals a day every day is an addiction.

[vonnie6200]

Jul 20, 2011 16:53:09 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jul 20, 2011 16:26:09 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Of course it is intentional, you put the food in your mouth don't you or do you subconsciously do it all day long not able to use your normal conscious. Nah that is just a bs excuse. Food is not an addiction, I don't know of any chemicals in food that make the body want more. What it is, is mental weakness or a crutch for depression. Just in case anybody wants to pull that stupid genetics card, here is a quote from Eric Lander the head of the genome project(a 13 year genetics project).

"People will think that because genes play a role in something, they determine everything. We see, again and again, people saying, "It's all genetic. I can't do anything about it" That's nonsense. To say that something has a genetic component does not make it unchangeable."

If you need motivation get a personal trainer, if you need to be better informed speak to a nutritionist or pick up some books and read them. I myself have tried several different diets and workout programs(conventional and radical). Currently I work out only 30 minutes 2 times a week( Occam's protocol ), just started this program and so far so good( I need a little more time for valid statistics). I am also on a slow carb diet, which is phenomenal except the not so wide range of food(but there is more than enough to keep it going). By the way I am in the IT field and sit in a cubicle on my bootie most of the day.

Well then why are we also paying for people's sexual habits? That is an intentional choice as well...or people's breaks and sprains from physical activity? Also a conscious choice. That is a great way to end entitlements and health costs though - only pay for those things that are not a conscious choice.

And food can be addictive...not because of anything in the food, but by how your body/mind responds to the food. Just like sex addiction, video game addiction, TV addiction, gambling addiction, and many other types of addiction.

We pay for a lot of it because when the "unexpected" little bundle of joy shows up - denying resources is now picking on the children - no real thought of parental responsibilty

[Trongersoll]

Accidents don't happen, they are caused.

Not all people are created equal, not all are wired the same.

My Doctor defines an addiction as anything we do repeatedly even though we know it is not good for us. (a debate over whether or not my Pipe smoking is an addiction)

When you crave something that isn't good for you, it can be considered an addiction. Just because something isn't addicting to one person, doesn't mean that it isn't addicting to others.

A cavalier attitude exhibited by saying "just stop, i can (or did)" just shows a true lack on understanding of the situation.