And the beat goes on, and on, and on....

[deziloooooo]

What can I say...that hasn't been said before...

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As debt debate begins, Obama praises 'Gang' plan

By ANDREW TAYLOR - Associated Press | AP – 38 mins ago
Tuesday, July 19, 2011, …

....WASHINGTON (AP) —

"Declaring "11th hour" urgency" to raise the government's borrowing limit, President Barack Obama on Tuesday hailed a plan by "Gang of Six" senators from both parties to reduce federal deficits as the kind of balanced approach that could break the economy-threatening deadlock. He said it was time for Congress to rally around such a proposal.

"We don't have any more time to engage in symbolic gestures, we don't have any more time to posture. It's time to get down to the business of actually solving this problem," the president said.

Obama spoke even as House Republicans pushed toward a vote on separate legislation that would require trillions in spending cuts and agreement on a balanced-budget constitutional amendment in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling, which the government says must be raised by Aug. 2 to avoid economic calamity.

That House plan, expected to come to a vote Tuesday evening, was unlikely to get through the Senate, and Obama has said he would veto it if it ever arrived at his desk."

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Obama spoke even as House Republicans pushed toward a vote on separate legislation that would require trillions in spending cuts and agreement on a balanced-budget constitutional amendment in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling

That House plan, expected to come to a vote Tuesday evening, was unlikely to get through the Senate, and Obama has said he would veto it if it ever arrived at his desk."

It was so obvious that he would veto that bill. (gamesmanship on the Republicans part to show that President Obama wasn't willing to compromise). After all President Obama has spent more than any other president & he wants to spend more. Who knows, maybe that article I saw a while back was right & he wants to BK the country so there is little choice but socialism.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 19, 2011 15:26:36 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Obama spoke even as House Republicans pushed toward a vote on separate legislation that would require trillions in spending cuts and agreement on a balanced-budget constitutional amendment in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling

That House plan, expected to come to a vote Tuesday evening, was unlikely to get through the Senate, and Obama has said he would veto it if it ever arrived at his desk."

It was so obvious that he would veto that bill. (gamesmanship on the Republicans part to show that President Obama wasn't willing to compromise). After all President Obama has spent more than any other president & he wants to spend more. Who knows, maybe that article I saw a while back was right & he wants to BK the country so there is little choice but socialism.

oh horseshit! Obama does NOT want to bankrupt this country. all of that Alinsky shit is NONSENSE. the fact that Reagan studied Socialism in his early 20's, was a union member, and voted Democratic, did not make him a communist EITHER.

look, tex. Obama is not that different from Bush. believe me, that is not a compliment. but Bush didn't bankrupt us, or intend to, and neither does Obama. i will stake any amount of money on it you want to wager.

Obama won't vote for that bill because it has draconian cuts in a LOT of his sacred programs. if i were him, i would give a counter-proposal that cut the deficit the same amount but had draconian cuts in Republican sacred cows. but he probably won't do that, because he is a woos.

[mmhmm]

Jul 19, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 19, 2011 15:26:36 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Obama spoke even as House Republicans pushed toward a vote on separate legislation that would require trillions in spending cuts and agreement on a balanced-budget constitutional amendment in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling

That House plan, expected to come to a vote Tuesday evening, was unlikely to get through the Senate, and Obama has said he would veto it if it ever arrived at his desk."

It was so obvious that he would veto that bill. (gamesmanship on the Republicans part to show that President Obama wasn't willing to compromise). After all President Obama has spent more than any other president & he wants to spend more. Who knows, maybe that article I saw a while back was right & he wants to BK the country so there is little choice but socialism.

oh horseshit! Obama does NOT want to bankrupt this country. all of that Alinsky shit is NONSENSE. the fact that Reagan studied Socialism in his early 20's, was a union member, and voted Democratic, did not make him a communist EITHER.

look, tex. Obama is not that different from Bush. believe me, that is not a compliment. but Bush didn't bankrupt us, or intend to, and neither does Obama. i will stake any amount of money on it you want to wager.

Obama won't vote for that bill because it has draconian cuts in a LOT of his sacred programs. if i were him, i would give a counter-proposal that cut the deficit the same amount but had draconian cuts in Republican sacred cows. but he probably won't do that, because he is a woos.

Heh. I was thinking exactly the same thing, dj. I'd counter-offer with the same sort of rigid partisan offer as was presented. Then, maybe each side would realize they're going to have to come to a compromise. Expecting to get everything your way is just not a realistic way to work.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 19, 2011 15:52:25 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Jul 19, 2011 15:33:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

oh horseshit! Obama does NOT want to bankrupt this country. all of that Alinsky shit is NONSENSE. the fact that Reagan studied Socialism in his early 20's, was a union member, and voted Democratic, did not make him a communist EITHER.

look, tex. Obama is not that different from Bush. believe me, that is not a compliment. but Bush didn't bankrupt us, or intend to, and neither does Obama. i will stake any amount of money on it you want to wager.

Obama won't vote for that bill because it has draconian cuts in a LOT of his sacred programs. if i were him, i would give a counter-proposal that cut the deficit the same amount but had draconian cuts in Republican sacred cows. but he probably won't do that, because he is a woos.

Heh. I was thinking exactly the same thing, dj. I'd counter-offer with the same sort of rigid partisan offer as was presented. Then, maybe each side would realize they're going to have to come to a compromise. Expecting to get everything your way is just not a realistic way to work.

this is what happens when you elect idealists.

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look, tex. Obama is not that different from Bush. believe me, that is not a compliment. but Bush didn't bankrupt us, or intend to, and neither does Obama.

If that's not President Obama's plan then he has got to be the dumbest (you know what) in the U.S. He should have talked to his party members about spending & if that didn't work then he should have been vetoing everything (to make a point). He hasn't done that. As a matter of fact his 3 biggest achievements since taking office are 1. Passing Obamacare (which may be illegal) 2. playing more golf than any other president. 3. Spending more money than any other president.

Whatever he's doing he's not getting the country back on track nor does he seem worried about it.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 19, 2011 16:14:00 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

look, tex. Obama is not that different from Bush. believe me, that is not a compliment. but Bush didn't bankrupt us, or intend to, and neither does Obama.

If that's not President Obama's plan then he has got to be the dumbest (you know what) in the U.S. He should have talked to his party members about spending & if that didn't work then he should have been vetoing everything (to make a point). He hasn't done that. As a matter of fact his 3 biggest achievements since taking office are 1. Passing Obamacare (which may be illegal) 2. playing more golf than any other president. 3. Spending more money than any other president.

Whatever he's doing he's not getting the country back on track nor does he seem worried about it.

Obamacare is not illegal. it has been upheld something like 3 times so far.
i hate golf. if you can show he golfed more than any other president, i will hold it against him for sure.
he has not spent more money than any other president. in GDP terms, the spending kings are, in order:

FDR
Reagan
Bush 2

Obama won't usurp Bush unless he wins a second term. he might not even if he DOES, depending on how the budget battle goes.

[deziloooooo]

If he is successful in a second term, and I believe he deserves one, there ya go, unless someone else comes forward and convinces me they can do a better job, I believe his next term would be quite a bit different then his first.

One way or the other we would be out of or very reduced in force levels in Iraq. Afghanistan we will still be there but diminishing our presence.
I believe by then Gaddafi will be gone and what we have there, Libya, will be what we have there,and the Palestinians and the Israeli's will still be going back and forth with each other.

Possible we will have cut aid to both of them, Pakistan too, not completely but enough.

His next term would be cutting and downsizing government, better priorities, dealing with cutbacks in social programs, SS, Medicare, Medicaid...the country realizing possible we will never see again unemployment at the 4/5 % level, the new norm to shoot for is in the 7 % level, and possible cutting business taxes to get business to grow, meaning new jobs, sell more.

That would be his emphasis for his next term..naturally all above , IMHO.

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His next term would be cutting and downsizing government, better priorities, dealing with cutbacks in social programs, SS, Medicare, Medicaid...the country realizing possible we will never see again unemployment at the 4/5 % level, the new norm to shoot for is in the 7 % level, and possible cutting business taxes to get business to grow, meaning new jobs, sell more.

Tell me deziloooooo, what has he done to make you believe the above?

I have seen nothing in his actions that even remotely makes me believe that any of that is on his agenda. As a matter of fact everything that he has done has been the exact opposite of what you put done. I'm shocked that anybody could type that & be serious.

[floridayankee]

Jul 21, 2011 13:31:08 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

His next term would be cutting and downsizing government, better priorities, dealing with cutbacks in social programs, SS, Medicare, Medicaid...the country realizing possible we will never see again unemployment at the 4/5 % level, the new norm to shoot for is in the 7 % level, and possible cutting business taxes to get business to grow, meaning new jobs, sell more.

Tell me deziloooooo, what has he done to make you believe the above?

Because the POTUS is a man of his word?

[deziloooooo]

Don't be so shocked and look at his record with a open mind..

We were close to a complete melt down on our banking institutions, we were close to a depression with the meltdown, GM/Chrysler were going out of business, Afghanistan had been neglected for SEVEN YEARS, by the past administration, Health care was being priced out of the reach of companies and individuals, Wall Street was a complete dishonest mess...

He did a lot to address these problems.

That you want to say he did it wrong? Who knows, only time will tell and many of these events did not happen, a depression, Sp who will know.

The stimulus, he kept a lot of important people working, police, fire, teachers...they did not bleed the country with unemployment benefits, food stamps..he was given a bad plate of things and he dealt with them..you don't like how he dealt with him, well you got Bachman leading the pubs..go for it.

[floridayankee]

Jul 21, 2011 13:41:29 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Don't be so shocked and look at his record with a open mind.

Oh, I keep an open mind all right. The only time I know for sure that a politician isn't lying is when their lips aren't moving.

The stimulus, he kept a lot of important people working, police, fire, teachers...

Sure...couldn't save a few of them police, firemen and teachers by cutting funding to such useful programs such as Bachmann's clinic or the gay man's penis study. Nope...let's cut fire, police and teachers. Typical political strong arm tactics to break the will of sheep.

That you want to say he did it wrong? Who knows, only time will tell and many of these events did not happen, a depression, Sp who will know.

That's where you're wrong Dezi...we do know. We know this stimulus crap doesn't work. FDR's New Deal extended the depression another 7 years. We're damned near mirroring Japan's mistakes that led to their own lost decade. But, have no fear...we have a dem potus...this time will be different.

As I keep saying, stupid should hurt.

well you got Bachman leading the pubs..go for it.

Yeah...that's about what it would take to keep this absolute failure in the WH.

BTW, as an indy not blinded by party biased propoganda, I'd likely vote for you over Obama or Bachmann or Romney.

[handyman2]

Dezi strikes me as a person who has been smoking some of that Florida swamp weed. Obama is finished. We will see a lot of new faces in DC in 2012. The Dems finished sinking their boat by not voting for the bill currently in the senate and Obama's promise to veto it.
We will default and all heck will break loose. Everything you buy will go up because the value of the dollar will drop. It already has dropped against the EURO if you can believe that. It should tell us something.

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The Dems finished sinking their boat by not voting for the bill currently in the senate and Obama's promise to veto it.
We will default and all heck will break loose.

The democratic voters will believe that President Obama did the right thing no matter what he does. The Republicans will believe that he did the wrong thing no matter what he does. It's the uncommitted that will make the difference in the next election. I think (but maybe it could change) that we have already seen how the voters felt in the last election. So.....I'm betting there will be a compromise because I think President Obama will understand that he has no chance without one. He also needs to turn around the perception that people have of him. Storming out of rooms, threatening that he won't compromise, etc doesn't sound like a mature politician & especially when the other party has you by the short hairs.