I guess I am to much of a realist , also if faced with Armageddon as it seems some here feel we are faced with, and possible in a way they aren't all wrong , that to step back, not retreat so much but with draw to the rear and take up better field positions, better to regroup to fight another day, is better then to risk all on a win or lose scenario...that can always be done, but best saved for when it has to be done.
Some points from the posted article that I have ideas on:
"Representatives from both parties have said the deadlock is not simply a matter of political theater, but a sincere attempt to meet their voters' wishes.
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I am wondering if each side is misinterpreting what the average voter really wants, and who says that the average voter , in their desires has it right in what they feel should be done, thats why these people were elected, supposedly intelligent, able to understand all the little nuances and possible consequences, the realities and separate desires from reality and the prudent.
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"The White House says Obama has agreed to roughly $1.7 trillion in spending cuts and wants tax increases to fill out the rest of a plan to increase the debt ceiling long enough to get the country through 2012, when Obama and most lawmakers are up for re-election."
Being prudent and non emotional on the subject, this paragraph from the article intrigues me, , with a election coming up very soon with in months, it's not a few years away, why not have the issues discussed as a corner stone of the campaign, let the American public hear the rhetoric , the feelings of both sides , the reality of what it all means in their daily life and finally, [for this election anyway ] decide and elect accordingly?
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"Obama has urged his Republican opponents to drop their resistance to higher taxes and agree to a large measure that would include spending cuts and heavier taxes on wealthier Americans.
He said he has reluctantly agreed to spending cuts and reforms of popular but expensive social programs and wants Republicans to make concessions as well."
I believe if the Republicans paid some lip service to the Presidents asking for some raising of taxes, closing some loop holes that it seems almost all are in favor of, granted it wouldn't be the salvation that some feel it would be, the raising of taxes on the wealthier..but what is so bad about the closing of those benefits on, yachts, Jets and other such benefits that only a few seem to profit with now, and getting some income from the oil and energy companies , especially those loop holes , benefits, that really are not necessary any more..and by elimination would set the tone for some give back from the other side on those entitlements that in time will have to be looked at more closely?
In other words..if both sides step back from their rhetoric, reposition themselves for the bigger battle, the battle will be on the big stage..the election of 2012, we don't have to make this the Armageddon, IMHO.
Armageddon may be out there, but I don't see it as have to be happening now, it will be on us soon enough if a consensus is not met, but know it is not the time, and the election would set the tone as to what is really wanted by the American public.
Just some thoughts.
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Americas
US debt talks make no headway
Five rounds of White House talks this week produced no agreement and much partisan bickering.
Obama has proposed to slice trillions of dollars from social security programs, but wants tax increase for rich [EPA]
As an August deadline looms before his government to pay its debt, the US president has said "time is running out".
"We're running out of time. That's the main concern that I have at this point," Barack Obama said on Friday at a White House news conference.
"Show me a plan in terms of what you are doing in terms of debt and deficit reduction. If they show me a serious plan I am ready to move even if it requires me to make some tough decisions," he said.
Obama is under growing pressure to reach a deal with his Republican rivals on raising the US debt ceiling in order to avoid a default on its payments.
And on Friday, he once again pushed his so called "grand bargain."
His proposal is to slice millions of dollars from programs helping the poor and elderly, in return for closing some tax loopholes for the rich to increase government revenue.
Obama, who warned earlier in the week that seniors might not receive Social Security checks if the country went into default, said interest rates would also rise on Americans' home and car loans.
It would be, he said, "effectively a tax increase on everybody."
But Republicans have said that amounts to raising taxes, something they have said is non-negotiable.
Representatives from both parties have said the deadlock is not simply a matter of political theatre, but a sincere attempt to meet their voters' wishes.
John Boehner, the House of Representative Speaker, said, "They have been unwilling to put a real plan on the table. Without serious spending cuts, without real reforms to entitlement programs, this problem is not going to be solved."
