France says Gaddafi can stay in Libya if he

[deziloooooo]

As on other threads, same type articles on same topic to be on one thread to keep the zone from being cluttered with same agenda articles. Just scroll to the end to read the article the header of the thread is mentioning
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According to a short article in todays debka..remember, this is not a normal media source, just one that many times is ahead of the curve and then on others..just a

"Oops , missed the one , sorry all.."

so form your own conclusions.
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The Libyan War ends.

Obama makes Moscow peace broker. NATO halts strikes DEBKAfile

Exclusive Report July 14, 2011, 11:42 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags:

The Libyan war virtually ended Thursday morning, July 14, when US President Barack Obama called Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to hand Moscow the lead in peace negotiations for Muammar Qaddafi to step down and make way for a transitional administration.

He thereby accepted the Russian-Libyan peace formula over NATO's heads. Instead of standing in the dock in The Hague, Qaddafi and his sons will sit at talks for Libya's next regime.


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[verrip1]

"Russia to negotiate the end of Libian war?"

I think it's spelled 'L-e-s-b-i-a-n'.

[deziloooooo]

Jul 14, 2011 11:54:58 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

"Russia to negotiate the end of Libyan war?"

I think it's spelled 'L-e-s-b-i-a-n'.

[Value Buy]

Oh, so the President now freely admits he was running the illegal war, and not Nato.

Good to hear that.
Now will all the liberals who said Nato was in charge, please come forward and apoligize?

[deziloooooo]

Jul 14, 2011 21:42:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oh, so the President now freely admits he was running the illegal war, and not Nato.

Good to hear that.
Now will all the liberals who said Nato was in charge, please come forward and apoligize?

Huh value, where do you get that from the short article?

First things first, this is a think piece from debka, haven't seen it picked up by any other media sources, and possible Russia feels it has a way to end this thing.

They, Russia , have dealings , close ones, with Gaddafi and his government.

Gadafi leaving power, a coalition of the rebels and a interem government with some from the other side..which is what is really wanted, the end to it, Gaddafi out of power..that he won't be arrested as the Rebels want , well they will possible just have to deal with it..not get all that they want.

To put in anything about what Obama is saying about not being in a legal war..just silly of you, nothing close to that mentioned, beyond possible YOU feel that way, but not what the article refers to.

[floridayankee]

Jul 15, 2011 1:39:24 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Huh value, where do you get that from the short article?

Well, you did say form your own opinions.....

[deziloooooo]

Jul 15, 2011 7:02:23 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jul 15, 2011 1:39:24 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Huh value, where do you get that from the short article?

Well, you did say form your own opinions.....

I did say that didn't I. Touche..ya go me, very good.

[deziloooooo]

Seems there may not have been aany turn over to negotiate the end by the Russians..

this is the latest on the Libyan event..
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NATO leaders discuss Libya in Istanbul

Libya Contact Group meets, with Turkish 'road map' to resolve conflict and further support for rebels on the agenda.
Last Modified: 15 Jul 2011 09:10

"Representatives of the leading countries in the NATO-led coalition's campaign in Libya are meeting in Istanbul to discuss the conflict amid hopes that rebels could be closer to toppling Muammar Gaddafi from power.

The meeting of the so-called Libya Contact Group, chaired by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, will assess a Turkey-backed political road map to resolve the conflict and discuss further steps to support the Benghazi-based National Transitional Council (TNC), officials said.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen are among those attending the meeting.

"Countries are starting to look past Gaddafi. He's going to go, and the meeting can be a useful place to take stock of and prepare for that transition," one senior US official told reporters aboard Clinton's plane before landing in Istanbul.

"That's the way we're thinking about this meeting: trying to see it as a pivot in this process."

Al Jazeera's Barnaby Phillips, reporting from Istanbul, said: "The main focus is ways to get rid of Gaddafi as quickly as possible, and to look at what will come next".

Our correspondent added: "Previous meetings focused more on bolstering NATO's military efforts and aid to civilians".

In a statement on the UK foreign office's website, Foreign Secretary William Hague said, "The military action continues to intensify and the opposition continues to grow in strength.

"At the Contact Group there will be a wider range of representation, including from Africa and the Middle East, than ever before," Hague said. "The Contact Group will bring together over 40 countries and international organisations."

The contact group plans to recognise the Benghazi-based opposition council as the representative of the Libyan people, leaving Muammar Gaddafi no option but to step down, Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said on Friday.

Frattini said the UN Secretary-General's special envoy to Libya, Abdul Elah Al-Khatib, would be authorised to
present terms for Gaddafi to leave power, in a political package that will include a ceasefire to halt fighting in the civil war"

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[deziloooooo]

This is a biggie..by recognizing the Rebel Government as the new legitimate Government of Libya, it allows the US and other NATO nations to release frozen Libyan funds to the new Government, we are supposedly holding 35 Billion and there are more in other countries to the new government and they have great need of these funds.

It is one thing to be a opposition force , but the reality is, there is a obligation to pay workers for their services, purchase arms as the rebels need to finish this insurrection, and get he economy working again..so it is a viable government.

The nutty gritty of having administration people, police, fire, school teachers, transportation people, running the busses, the health clinics, hospitals, schools, all this and more cost $ and now they can supply those services to the people, in other words have a viable government to give services people need.
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US recognizes Libyan rebels as Libyan government

By MATTHEW LEE - Associated Press | AP – 5 hrs ago

....ISTANBUL (AP) —

"U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the Obama administration has decided to formally recognize Libya's main opposition group as the country's legitimate government. The move gives foes of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi a major financial and credibility boost.

Clinton announced Friday that Washington accepts the Transitional National Council as the legitimate governing authority of the Libyan people. Diplomatic recognition of the council means that the U.S. will be able to fund the opposition with some of the more than $30 billion in Gahdafi-regime assets that are frozen in American banks.

Clinton made the announcement at an international conference on Libya in Istanbul.
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[ed1066]

Yay! Another Obama goal achieved. His friends in the Muslim Brotherhood are now officially in charge of Libya...

[deziloooooo]

Jul 15, 2011 13:48:25 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Yay! Another Obama goal achieved. His friends in the Muslim Brotherhood are now officially in charge of Libya...

Now ed really, we are trying to have real discussion here, it is a hugh decision, to me , it is a hugh step in Gaddafi removal from power, and how you get the Brother Hood into the picture is beyond me, I am trying not to put up the ed isms and the smileys ed..but so far it seems the Brother hood is not in that much control or even a factor in Libya, never mentioned really, and while I agree they may be there in some way as a political party, it seems those running the opposition to Gaddafi are educated technocrats, and parties are really not a force yet, though in time they will be.

Lets face it ed, the area we are talking about is populated by Arabs for the most part and the brother hood , being constituted by Arabs, will be in the mix in all these areas..so are you suggesting we should not recognize these people and throw our support behind the killer of innocents, Gaddafi, his record for the past 43 years is well known ..he kills people, his own people, as well as others through out the world.

[deziloooooo]

A article by a author who seems to know the area as to what he feels might happen after Gaddafi leaves, [I do beleive he will be gone, and not in years } and four possible scenarios.

I disagree with him on one premise, and that is there is no real need of Libya to be a basket case type country. There are only a bit less then seight million of populace there, they have great riches as we all know in the "sweet ' oil, the kind all who refine it wants, a great coast libne on the Mediteranian and there is good potentil with the right kind of government and cooperation, education and help to have a viable nation here.
Grant you it is Tribal in nature..but this is par for this part of the world.
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Libya after Gadhafi

Editor's Note: Omar Ashour is Director of the Middle East Graduate Studies Program at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies, University of Exeter. He is the author of The De-Radicalization of Jihadists: Transforming Armed Islamist Movements. For more from Ashour, visit Project Syndicate's website, or check it out on Facebook and Twitter.

By Omar Ashour

BENGHAZI – Middle Eastern autocrats routinely warn their people of rivers of blood, Western occupation, poverty, chaos, and Al Qaeda if their regimes are toppled. Those threats were heard in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, and – rendered in black-comedy style – in Libya. But there is a strong belief across the region that the costs of removing autocracies, as high as they might be, are low compared to the damage inflicted by the current rulers. In short, freedom is worth the price.

In Libya, four scenarios may negatively affect prospects for democratization: civil/tribal war, military rule, becoming “stuck in transition,” and partition. Given the high price Libyans have paid, those scenarios should be prevented rather than cured.
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[deziloooooo]

I too am hopeful, yet understand that Tribal loyalties play a big part of the politics in this part of the world , but isn't it the same here, only if not Tribal, it is still party driven, yet over all , not right now, but usually , things are worked out.

I see the future being very bright for this country, the small population, under 8 million, the wealth of the gas and oil, the beautiful coast line open for development , the archaeological ruins to attract the tourists, and if Tunisia and Egypt on both sides of them go with a mostly Democratic type of government , the Libyans , with the oil wealth and smaller population, vs the millions of Egypt, their birth rate, the poverty in that country, there is great potential here. It will take time, but with the help of the developed WEST in helping them, it could be as you suggest, a beacon in North Africa.

[deziloooooo]

relinquishes all power and steps away from governing...

I guess they are trying to find a way to end this , but where he would stay...Tripoli? That would make the Capital, IMHO, unusable for any new Government , to have the man and his people still in the Capital..and to think that he or his people wouldn't be meddling and a influence..since the Russians seem to be doing the negotiations with the regime and it could be something they raised and said it might be the solution...'
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France says Gaddafi could stay in Libya

French foreign minister says Libyan leader could be allowed to stay in his country if he relinquishes power.

20 Jul 2011 11:38

Alain Juppe said that if Muammar Gaddafi surrenders power he can remain in Libya [Reuters]

"France says Muammar Gaddafi can remain in Libya if he surrenders power and follows a Paris-backed ceasefire deal to end the conflict in his country, the French foreign minister said.

"One of the scenarios effectively envisaged is that he stays in Libya on one condition which I repeat - that he very clearly steps aside from Libyan political life," Alain Juppe said.

The comments were in answer to a question during an interview on LCI television whether countries involved in the Libyan crisis could consider letting Gaddafi remain as part of a way out of the crisis.




"A ceasefire depends on Gaddafi committing clearly and formally to surrender his military and civilian roles," Juppe said.



Two members of Libya's rebel Transitional National Council were due to meet French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris on Wednesday.

France was the first country to publicly recognise the council and the first to launch air strikes against Gaddafi forces when now NATO-led operations began in March.

"We want to maintain close links with them and see how we can help them," said Juppe.

On negotiations with Gaddafi, Juppe said there were no talks underway at the moment in Paris with any of his representatives and that a U.N. envoy had now been charged with coordinating any such contacts.

"The issue now is not whether Gaddafi goes but when and how," Juppe said.

"There's the military side and the political side, which is progressing, with contacts which have not yet produced results but are coordinated by Mr (Abdul Elah) al-Khatib," the UN envoy charged with coordinating, he said."

[Value Buy]

Jul 15, 2011 1:39:24 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Jul 14, 2011 21:42:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oh, so the President now freely admits he was running the illegal war, and not Nato.

Good to hear that.
Now will all the liberals who said Nato was in charge, please come forward and apoligize?

Huh value, where do you get that from the short article?

First things first, this is a think piece from debka, haven't seen it picked up by any other media sources, and possible Russia feels it has a way to end this thing.

They, Russia , have dealings , close ones, with Gaddafi and his government.

Gadafi leaving power, a coalition of the rebels and a interem government with some from the other side..which is what is really wanted, the end to it, Gaddafi out of power..that he won't be arrested as the Rebels want , well they will possible just have to deal with it..not get all that they want.

To put in anything about what Obama is saying about not being in a legal war..just silly of you, nothing close to that mentioned, beyond possible YOU feel that way, but not what the article refers to.

Maybe I got it right here in the beginning of the "ARTICLE" where it says Obama turned it over to the Russians....and you, yourself state it is an article.........

According to a short article in todays debka..remember, this is not a normal media source, just one that many times is ahead of the curve and then on others..just a

"Oops , missed the one , sorry all.."

so form your own conclusions.
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The Libyan War ends.

Obama makes Moscow peace broker. NATO halts strikes DEBKAfile

Exclusive Report July 14, 2011, 11:42 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags:

The Libyan war virtually ended Thursday morning, July 14, when US President Barack Obama called Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to hand Moscow the lead in peace negotiations for Muammar Qaddafi to step down and make way for a transitional administration.

He thereby accepted the Russian-Libyan peace formula over NATO's heads. Instead of standing in the dock in The Hague, Qaddafi and his sons will sit at talks for Libya's next regime.