Obama on health care: The rest of the story.

[henryclay]

While campaigning for his health care bill, Obama mentioned his mother on several ocassions.

Obama said in September 2007.
"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence,"

In January, 2008 he said:

"She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn't have to reimburse her for her medical bills,"

It has taken a while, but one reporter has discovered it to be a lie. There is no other word for it. A lie. She HAD medical insurance. CIGNA provided it and paid her medical bills. What she didn't have was a disability insurance to send her a weekly check while she was ill and out of work. Why didn't she have a disability policy? Because you unsually have to pay for such things. That's a question her rich son might know the answer to, why his mother didn't have a disability insurance policy.

This is another example of Obama's, (and the liberal's), nanny state dependency syndrome. And it shows the depth of bottom feeding despotism a man is capable of who would invoke his own mother's name in a series of lies for politican gain.



washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story

[jkapp]

Obama told a lie??? AGAIN?

[Deleted]

This is another example of Obama's, (and the liberals), nanny state dependency syndrome. And it shows the depth of bottom feeding despotism a man is capable of who would invoke his own mother's name in a series of lies for politican gain.

While I won't say that your wrong Henry, I think it's something more than that. Liberals seem to always think in worse case, worse patient scenario's. Any justification for starting free programs always involve sick, helpless, babies. I don't know that they concisely pick those scenario's, I think it's possible that their minds automatically go to those scenario's. When President Obama stated that SS checks might not be going out when they should I was SHOCKED that he didn't include something like "And those checks not arriving on time would be especially harmful to SS recipients that just delivered babies". I'm guessing someone caught (but not Obama) the fact that people might have felt that statement just might be one step to far.

As for the lying part about his mother. Well I believe that liberals believe in the greater good. It's ok to steal if your going to use the money for the greater good. It's ok to lie if the lie is for the greater good. They should hope that conservatives never adopt that idea because we could justify any action with it, just like the liberals have.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5 henryclay said:

While campaigning for his health care bill, Obama mentioned his mother on several ocassions.

Obama said in September 2007.
"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence,"

In January, 2008 he said:

"She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn't have to reimburse her for her medical bills,"

It has taken a while, but one reporter has discovered it to be a lie. There is no other word for it. A lie. She HAD medical insurance. CIGNA provided it and paid her medical bills. ...(emphasis added)

So in quote one he said she was worried whether the insurance she had would cover the bills or not and in quote two he said that the insurance company she had her policy through said maybe they wouldn't cover the expenses. Both quoted statements indicate that she had insurance so what does showing that she had insurance prove?

[mmhmm]

I was wondering the same thing, billis ...

[cereb]

It's just another story twisted like a pretzel to make Obama look bad. Ho hum what else is new.

[Deleted]

It's just another story twisted like a pretzel to make Obama look bad. Ho hum what else is new.

It sure reminds me of the typical story posted about President Bush when he was in office.

[chiver78]

Jul 13, 2011 19:16:17 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

It's just another story twisted like a pretzel to make Obama look bad. Ho hum what else is new.

It sure reminds me of the typical story posted about President Bush when he was in office.

link?

I'll post more thoughts on the OP in the morning. I need to find some links to CIGNA details, which aren't on this 'puter.

[henryclay]

Well, bills, mmhmm, cereb, et al, pick away at whether she had any insurance at all or not. She did. Pick the carcass clean about whether her insurance paid her medical bills. It did. Scratch the grave open to see whether a badger has dug into it yet. I don't know. But I'll wait and see whether anyone claims Obama wasn't pushing the emotions envelope by standing on his mother's dead chest as a crutch to get his health care abomination passed. The fact of the matter is that, with the means he had at his disposal, if he would have had the concern for his mother that he wants people t think he had, the question of insurance wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

The man is a sickening remiinder of his conduct in his relationship with both his mother and his grandmother. And for thise who feel it important to mention that both his father and his mother didn't care enough for him to raise him, then I say regardless or what happened between family members 40 years ago, everybody but him is dead now and if political gain is the only reason for bringing any of it to light, it's a piss poor foundation for him to air that laundry. And I remember he had a dying grandmother, too. The very woman who raised him. But his politics was so important to him that she died alone 5,000 miles away, and he didn't even go to her funeral. With all of his pomp and bluster about caring fpr people, he has an aunt living on the public dole in public housing today. The man is a leech.

Pick that apart, ladies.

[deziloooooo]

Jul 13, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5 henryclay said:

While campaigning for his health care bill, Obama mentioned his mother on several ocassions.

Obama said in September 2007.
"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence,"

In January, 2008 he said:

"She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn't have to reimburse her for her medical bills,"

It has taken a while, but one reporter has discovered it to be a lie. There is no other word for it. A lie. She HAD medical insurance. CIGNA provided it and paid her medical bills. What she didn't have was a disability insurance to send her a weekly check while she was ill and out of work. Why didn't she have a disability policy? Because you unsually have to pay for such things. That's a question her rich son might know the answer to, why his mother didn't have a disability insurance policy.

This is another example of Obama's, (and the liberal's), nanny state dependency syndrome. And it shows the depth of bottom feeding despotism a man is capable of who would invoke his own mother's name in a series of lies for politican gain.



washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story

Henry he didn't say , according to your post above , that she did not have medical insurance, but that she was looking through her policies because she was either notified or possible was worried that the insurance she had would not honor her bills because of a possible pre exhisting condition. Possible she was notified that was under consideration from contact by a company Representative or a letter sent to her asking for more information.

Have to ask why you try to make more out of a thing then is really there? Just because you don't care for the man as POTUS,[hoping you haven't gotten into the personals here], it just adds more fuel to the fire , reminds me of what they do over at the new zone that went up with some of our old neighbors who are no longer here..not really needed here, there is enough legitimate questions that can be brought up. Why play the card you are playing, it's not needed, naturally IMHO of course.

[deziloooooo]

Jul 13, 2011 21:48:50 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Well, bills, mmhmm, cereb, et al, pick away at whether she had any insurance at all or not. She did. Pick the carcass clean about whether her insurance paid her medical bills. It did. Scratch the grave open to see whether a badger has dug into it yet. I don't know. But I'll wait and see whether anyone claims Obama wasn't pushing the emotions envelope by standing on his mother's dead chest as a crutch to get his health care abomination passed. The fact of the matter is that, with the means he had at his disposal, if he would have had the concern for his mother that he wants people t think he had, the question of insurance wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

The man is a sickening remiinder of his conduct in his relationship with both his mother and his grandmother. And for thise who feel it important to mention that both his father and his mother didn't care enough for him to raise him, then I say regardless or what happened between family members 40 years ago, everybody but him is dead now and if political gain is the only reason for bringing any of it to light, it's a piss poor foundation for him to air that laundry. And I remember he had a dying grandmother, too. The very woman who raised him. But his politics was so important to him that she died alone 5,000 miles away, and he didn't even go to her funeral. With all of his pomp and bluster about caring fpr people, he has an aunt living on the public dole in public housing today. The man is a leech.

Pick that apart, ladies.

Curiouse to see your choice of words regarding the man..lets look at them for a minute.

"by standing on his mother's dead chest as a crutch to get his health care abomination passed. "
"The man is a sickening remiinder "
"both his father and his mother didn't care enough for him to raise him"
"The man is a leech.


Yep, absolutly, for you this is personal, has nothing to do with logic and normal finding fault, disagreements..
Thus to consider your remarks as anything but personal rants, and to give it credit as a honest dialogue of the merits on the man isn't going to happen or part of your vitrol lashing out at him..all personal.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2011 21:48:50 GMT -5 henryclay said:

... But I'll wait and see whether anyone claims Obama wasn't pushing the emotions envelope ...

He certainly was doing that. "Pushing the emotions envelope" is the word(s) for what he is doing. But that is not what you claimed. Here is what you claimed:

Jul 13, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5 henryclay said:

...There is no other word for it. A lie. ...

So there are other words for it. Accurate words for what what he did. You indicated what they are. So as far as your original claim that it was "(a) lie", well that was a ..... misstatement.

[mmhmm]

My mother has excellent insurance; however, every time she goes into hospital she worries about whether the insurance will pay. Older people often don't think the way we think they should think. Their memories aren't as good, and many of them tend to worry. I wouldn't be at all surprised if President Obama's mother did, indeed, worry that her insurance wouldn't pay for her care.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...I read about this today... yes, it's sad to think he "spun" his mom's health concerns for campaign stumping, and in a way that was purposely misleading... not the first politician to use hole-ly homilies, I'm sure... but still sad...

[cereb]

Jul 13, 2011 21:48:50 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Well, bills, mmhmm, cereb, et al, pick away at whether she had any insurance at all or not. She did. Pick the carcass clean about whether her insurance paid her medical bills. It did. Scratch the grave open to see whether a badger has dug into it yet. I don't know. But I'll wait and see whether anyone claims Obama wasn't pushing the emotions envelope by standing on his mother's dead chest as a crutch to get his health care abomination passed. The fact of the matter is that, with the means he had at his disposal, if he would have had the concern for his mother that he wants people t think he had, the question of insurance wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

The man is a sickening remiinder of his conduct in his relationship with both his mother and his grandmother. And for thise who feel it important to mention that both his father and his mother didn't care enough for him to raise him, then I say regardless or what happened between family members 40 years ago, everybody but him is dead now and if political gain is the only reason for bringing any of it to light, it's a piss poor foundation for him to air that laundry. And I remember he had a dying grandmother, too. The very woman who raised him. But his politics was so important to him that she died alone 5,000 miles away, and he didn't even go to her funeral. With all of his pomp and bluster about caring fpr people, he has an aunt living on the public dole in public housing today. The man is a leech.

Pick that apart, ladies.

The only one picking it apart is you.

You lied about someone telling a lie, then you get all judgmental about a situation which you apparently know very little about concerning someone you don't even know. Actually, your little melt down over the whole issue says a whole lot more about you than it does about Obama, so that's a fail right there. This is obviously very personal for you and has far less about anything to do with policy or politics. Makes one wonder.

[henryclay]

In the past I was surprised that so many people would carry Obama’s water for him. Not so much any more, even though the evidence continues to build that his motives and methods are proven to be absolutely destructive to our way of life.

Here he took an average, everyday situation and made it into something it was not, on the premise that by using his mother as a rallying point he would draw support for his intended government takeover of our health care system. If the responses above are any measure, the lie he turned that situation into, (and as he obviously wanted it to be received), must have been, and still are, far beyond his own hopes.

He has done essentially the same thing now with reference to old age retirement benefits for August. It's as though he has the last say on which button to be pushed and is holding that finger above every button in Washington.

Personal, desi? Very much so. Personal as it relates to the foundation documents of this country and the role model he presents to the children of my children.

Cereb, Your personal accusation may be outside the CoC. I’ll leave that determination to your fellow poster and moderator, mmhmm. Maybe she can find more meat on my bones than on the Obama bones.

Bills, good morning.

[Deleted]

Yep, absolutely, for you this is personal, has nothing to do with logic and normal finding fault, disagreements..
Thus to consider your remarks as anything but personal rants, and to give it credit as a honest duologue of the merits on the man isn't going to happen or part of your vitriol lashing out at him..all personal.

Deziloooooo weren't you here during the Bush Presidency? That stuff is pale compared to what was said about him. I don't know about other conservatives but I got real tired of EVERYTHING being blamed on President Bush. Sorry that these comments bother you or you feel that they are unfair but we have a 2 party system & members of both parties hate not only the other party but also the stuff they stand for. As we've already seen, the winner takes it all & there isn't any compromise so that's just the way it is.

[billisonboard]

Jul 14, 2011 7:27:54 GMT -5 henryclay said:

..., the lie he turned that situation into, ...

Bills, good morning.

Good morning to you also.


Not sure exactly what has to be done before YOU will stop spinning this situation into a lie.

Jul 14, 2011 7:58:58 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

...members of both parties hate ....

This is talking to you henryclay.

[floridayankee]

Jul 14, 2011 7:58:58 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

...but we have a 2 party system & members of both parties hate....

Glad I'm not a member of either because I don't have enough time to devote to hating.

Life's too short.


Wrote a note said be back in a minute
Bought a boat and I sailed off in it
Don't think anybody gonna miss me anyway
Mind on a permanent vacation
The ocean is my only medication
Wishing my condition ain't ever gonna go away

[cereb]

"Cereb, Your personal accusation may be outside the CoC. I�ll leave that determination to your fellow poster and moderator, mmhmm. Maybe she can find more meat on my bones than on the Obama bones."


Henry, if you took it personally, that's your problem. I am simply making an observation based on the information you yourself posted in this thread. You stated Obama lied about his mother having insurance. Clearly he never said that. Then you bring up some bizarre nonsense about his integrity because he didn't attend his grandmothers funeral. You put it out there and stuck your foot in your mouth and got caught doing it. Man up, quit whining.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 13, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5 henryclay said:

While campaigning for his health care bill, Obama mentioned his mother on several ocassions.

Obama said in September 2007.
"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence,"

In January, 2008 he said:

"She was in her hospital room looking at insurance forms because the insurance company said that maybe she had a pre-existing condition and maybe they wouldn't have to reimburse her for her medical bills,"

It has taken a while, but one reporter has discovered it to be a lie. There is no other word for it. A lie. She HAD medical insurance. CIGNA provided it and paid her medical bills. What she didn't have was a disability insurance to send her a weekly check while she was ill and out of work. Why didn't she have a disability policy? Because you unsually have to pay for such things. That's a question her rich son might know the answer to, why his mother didn't have a disability insurance policy.

This is another example of Obama's, (and the liberal's), nanny state dependency syndrome. And it shows the depth of bottom feeding despotism a man is capable of who would invoke his own mother's name in a series of lies for politican gain.



washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/fresh-doubt-cast-obamas-health-care-story

hahaha. washingtonexaminer. nannystate. insurance.......heh.

[henryclay]

Maybe I should have just regurgitated the story he told about his 5, or was it 6, year old father coming home from serving in WWII and getting a heroes welcome.

Or about Obamacare saving money.

Or about his claim that he will reach out to the other party.

Or about closing Gitmo.

Or about being against raising the debt ceiling, , , when somebody else was president.

Or about SS checks may not go out.

Or about only asking peple with impeccable records to work under him in Washington.

Or about a couple dozen other things.

But too many people would have to come to his defense, so I'll just skip that and chalk this one up as indicative of how easy it will be to bring us to our knees. All anybody will need do is pay attention to the ethics our next generation is being taught. This thread should be an excellent primer.

I want to thank everybody for their participation.

[billisonboard]

Jul 14, 2011 22:08:26 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Maybe I should have just regurgitated ....

Thought you did.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2011 22:08:26 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Maybe I should have just regurgitated the story he told about his 5, or was it 6, year old father coming home from serving in WWII and getting a heroes welcome.

Or about Obamacare saving money.

Or about his claim that he will reach out to the other party.

Or about closing Gitmo.

Or about being against raising the debt ceiling, , , when somebody else was president.

Or about SS checks may not go out.

Or about only asking peple with impeccable records to work under him in Washington.

Or about a couple dozen other things.

But too many people would have to come to his defense, so I'll just skip that and chalk this one up as indicative of how easy it will be to bring us to our knees. All anybody will need do is pay attention to the ethics our next generation is being taught. This thread should be an excellent primer.

I want to thank everybody for their participation.

ok, everyone hold hands now......

kum-bay-ya my lord, kum-bay-yah....

[billisonboard]

Jul 14, 2011 22:11:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

...

ok, everyone hold hands now......

kum-bay-ya my lord, kum-bay-yah....

[henryclay]

What? Nobody has accused me of lying again. I feel blessed.