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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 13:59:34 GMT -5
Sounds like Govt at it's finest. Why have one when you can have three for thee times the cost. My post #28 was just a sorry attempt at humor. Can you just imagine the outcry (mostly from Jesse Jackson) if there actually was a "White Media Director".
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Post by ugonow on Jul 8, 2011 14:03:08 GMT -5
Perhaps we need to go over all the raises the House gave to staff members and see if there really is a racial thing going on?
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Post by workpublic on Jul 8, 2011 14:07:24 GMT -5
My post #28 was just a sorry attempt at humor. Can you just imagine the outcry (mostly from Jesse Jackson) if there actually was a "White Media Director". where's the asian media director?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 15:04:39 GMT -5
My post #28 was just a sorry attempt at humor. Can you just imagine the outcry (mostly from Jesse Jackson) if there actually was a "White Media Director". where's the asian media director? You're going to have to break it down some more like Korean, Vietnamese, India, etc. Every one deserves a government job. How do you expect to have more income tax receipts collected? Asia is just to big and diverse.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 8, 2011 15:10:41 GMT -5
Apparently little known, (and if known by the media, it must have been was considered protected speech and kept quiet), while the rest of the country has been struggling, Obama has culled his White House staff so that everybody probably sings the same songs, all of them being one note melodies and handed out pay raises of up to 82 percent, with the average being ~~8 percent~~. However, he must be given some credit. He initially froze White House staff pay, , , , , , , , , But the across-the-board freeze didn't take effect until January 1, 2011, so the most recent report (which goes back to July 2010) features some eye-opening raises, like special assistant to the president for economic policy Matthew Vogel's $59,000, 82 percent raise to an annual salary of $130,500, or director of African American media Kevin Lewis' $36,000, 86 percent pay hike, Gawker reports.
According to a survey conducted last year by the human resources consulting firm Mercer, most firms were projecting a 3 percent increase in base pay for executives. White House workers did nearly three times as well.
www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/white-house-raises-obama/2011/07/06/id/402751?s=al&promo_code=C914-1perfectly OK when it happens in the private sector. regarded with heaps of disdain when it happens in government. God Bless NewsMax for their singleminded assault on all things non-private sector! Private companies EARN their money...and people can choose NOT to pay them/do business with them. Public institutions TAKE their money...and try not paying them what they say you owe and see what happens. Amazing how the left continually ignores these facts.
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 15:37:38 GMT -5
Much made about not much.
These salary increases are much more in line with what these folks should be making.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jul 8, 2011 15:52:55 GMT -5
We're talking about PEOPLE not COMPANIES. Still waiting for that proof of earned double digit increases.
Why don't you send a nice letter to all the members of our military and tell them how they TAKE and not EARN their money. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.
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Post by wyouser on Jul 8, 2011 16:06:29 GMT -5
I feel slighted...Where oh where is the federal director for "left handed affairs? We have been slighted for decades, made to play sports with the other hand, forced to take notes on right handed desks, made to learn to write upside down an backwards so our letters slant in the "right" direction. Forced to use a calculator section on keyboards that are located on the wrong side. (On the other hand , we are the only ones in our "right" minds!!)
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Post by wyouser on Jul 8, 2011 16:07:25 GMT -5
There ought to be a LAW...I mean Czar!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 16:13:03 GMT -5
I've not been able to locate his official title... ?? Has anyone.... I've only been able to see that he is a press assistant... ?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 8, 2011 16:14:33 GMT -5
I have no problem with that statement, and I was in the military. It's true, as a soldier, my salary and benefits were given to me by the American taxpayers, including me. Anyway, the "what about the troops?" line doesn't work well for you, I suggest you try something different next time. Premature babies, maybe? Puppies and kittens? AIDS patients?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 16:16:32 GMT -5
You have no problem with him saying the private sector EARNS their money... but the public sectory just TAKES it.. ? ... So... you didn't earn your money Ed?
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 16:20:53 GMT -5
Anyway, the "what about the troops?" line doesn't work well for you, I suggest you try something different next time. Premature babies, maybe? Puppies and kittens? AIDS patients?Wow really? After a shameful and embarrassing comment like that, I'm thinking the "I believe in God" thing isn't working out so well for you!
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Post by ugonow on Jul 8, 2011 16:29:37 GMT -5
You can sign up to have private companies take money from your account, and you can set your W4 so you have little withheld. It is a matter of paying for a service, right, or good either way. You have no choice whether to pay for utilities. You can not live in your house or apartment without them. Is that different from "TAKING" their money?
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Post by cme1201 on Jul 8, 2011 20:02:14 GMT -5
Actually there are ways to power your house, well and septic that do not require you to pay a utility company.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 8, 2011 21:24:48 GMT -5
However, he criticized the White House for paying 141 aides more than $100,000 per year. A report from the White House released Friday listed the salaries of 454 employees and showed that no staffer is paid less than $40,000, , , , , Approximately one third of the White House staffers make more than $100 G's a year, and NONE make less than $40 thou. Will somebody please explaion to me how that corelates to ANY civilian works force? I clips a lot of hedges and hauls a lot of trash. I change light bulbs and I water plants. I clean gutters and clear drains under air conditioners. I clean stovetop burners and clogged septic tanks. And I don't average $40,000 a year for for doing it either. I wondetr which of the White House staffers do any of "those" things. And the PFC's and Corporals who are getting their brains scrambled by IED's are doing it for about $30,000, a cot, canned food and recycled water. Tell me, poor bleeding heart liberals, just how tough it is in Washington.. . . . . . Oh wait. . .I forgot, , they still have to get home after work, , that's right, , those streets can be hazardous to your health. . .
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 21:31:49 GMT -5
I think Henry needs a wahahahamublance. Poor guy, he's really upset.
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 21:38:36 GMT -5
"I wondetr which of the White House staffers do any of "those" things."
Well, I make far more than that, and I am not required to do any of those things. Whats your point? We CHOOSE what we do for a living in this country. Don't like your job? Don't think you make enough? luckily we have the freedom to do something to change it. More training, more education, simply switching jobs,...this isn't communist Russia for petes sake!
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Post by henryclay on Jul 8, 2011 21:59:18 GMT -5
More training, more education, simply switching jobs,...this isn't communist Russia for petes sake! My, my, , , What a profound statement!! And the White House's salary budget contracted only slightly, from $38.8 million to $37 some million, It's hard for me to understand how Obama can do so much with that paltry 37 million dollars at his disposal to pay salaries. I guess after it was reduced from 38.8 million he had to give several people an opportunity to do those things she thinks will solve the problem. In fact, it sounds to me like they had some people on the payroll they didn't even need. (Sorta like some unions I've run into, also.) Something tells me there are people on that payroll making a whale of a lot more than 100 grand a year. Heck, I wonder how far I'd have to go to find any CEO's out there in America who would like to have one of those salaries. And I wonder if the job hopping and skills upgrading recommendations apply to those PFC's and Corporals currently dodging the EID's. (After all, ther really isn't much of a hiring boom on right now for brain dmamged ex-GI machine gun experts.)
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 22:20:43 GMT -5
"And I wonder if the job hopping and skills upgrading recommendations apply to those PFC's and Corporals currently dodging the EID's. (After all, ther really isn't much of a hiring boom on right now for brain dmamged ex-GI machine gun experts.) "
You know, this is the second time you have brought this up. Understand that none of these men and women were drafted. They voluntarily signed a contract with the armed services of the United States to defend their country. If your contract with the government allows you to job hop and get more skills training, which typically it does, then there you go. If not, then you were a dumbass for signing the contract in the first place, and you will just have to ride out your time. Do I believe they should be better paid? Absolutely. Do I believe we need to take better care of our disabled service personell? absofreakinglutely.
You are comparing apples and oranges. They might be at one point or another in the same basket of fruit, but they are nothing alike.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 8, 2011 23:27:43 GMT -5
Cereb said: I am so very glad you feel that way. I wish you felt that way about several other categories of Americans who are, , , like the people who make up the 37 million dollar White House payroll, , , (and most other government employees), , not only living off the rest of us but demanding more and more while they individually provide, (in this age of automation), less and less for the country.
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Post by cereb on Jul 8, 2011 23:49:34 GMT -5
Henry, snap out of it!!! You have not a clue how I feel about those "several other categories of Americans" unless I tell you how I feel. I am not part of some collective where everyone thinks the same. Don't tell me how I feel or what I think. If you want to know, ask me!
And for the record, I believe that WH staffers were at one time underpaid, and the jobs would be given to the best and brightest, with a really awesome entry on one's resume instead of a decent paycheck. WH staffers earn their money. They are a select group, they are on call 24-7. They earn their keep.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 8, 2011 23:58:10 GMT -5
cereb said: Does that mean I'm free to remind you of your position in the future when you 'do' let us know how you feel about any of those other categories of Americans?
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Post by cereb on Jul 9, 2011 0:07:45 GMT -5
cereb said: Does that mean I'm free to remind you of your position in the future when you 'do' let us know how you feel about any of those other categories of Americans? Henry, I'm not mentally handicapped. I really don't need reminding about my own positions on any given issue. You may however call into question any statements I make which may contradict any previously disclosures of my positions. However, should you choose to do so, be advised that "cherry picking" misinterpretation, and "spinning" is not allowed, is a game day changer, and makes me feel irritable. I cannot guarantee a positive outcome for anyone concerned should those tactics be employed. Fair enough?
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 9, 2011 1:28:51 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care much for putting whole groups of people in little boxes and labeling them. People, for the most part, are individuals with individual thoughts, feelings, belief systems, ideas, and ideals. As for those who must clean gutters, change light bulbs, etc. ... all those making 40K a year do those things for themselves, I'd imagine. While I don't have to do it now, I certainly have done it in the past, and I could do it again if I had to do so. We make our own futures through the decisions we make along the way. If you don't wanna clean gutters, etc., get more education, or training, and go for it. That's something nearly anyone can do if they've got the drive and spirit to do so.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 9, 2011 2:26:30 GMT -5
Here's about all one needs to know or remember about the Saul Alinsky field of "Liberal-think". Cereb put it in perfect perspective for us. I really don't need reminding about my own positions on any given issue. You may however call into question any statements I make which may contradict any previously disclosures of my positions. IOW, don't put too much credence on anything I say now, because I will probably say something different yesterday and tomorrow. And when I say the same thing again, it may be on accout of it's not yeaterday or tomorrow. Thanks for clearing it up, ma'am. Whew!! Reminds me of one winter we had some years back when I was working on a cow ranch down in Texas. It was so cold our voices would freeze around the fire. We had to wait until spring for the voices to thaw out before we knew what was being said. One cowboy was a liberal. He got so mad he quit. The last anybody saw of him he was headed back to California.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 9, 2011 9:08:09 GMT -5
We're talking about PEOPLE not COMPANIES. Still waiting for that proof of earned double digit increases. Why don't you send a nice letter to all the members of our military and tell them how they TAKE and not EARN their money. I'm sure they'll appreciate it. Apparently the left really DOESN'T understand economics... Try answering these two questions and maybe it will help: 1. A person owns a business and wants to make more money...how does he do this? 2. Public employees want to make more money...how does the government fund that? Hopefully that clears things up, but I'm not holding my breath
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2011 9:32:51 GMT -5
1. Lobby for tax breaks and subsidies? Ask for a bailout? Hire children and undocumented workers? Cut corners on safety? Screw the environment? ....
I'm counting the ways...
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Post by ugonow on Jul 9, 2011 9:55:47 GMT -5
The answer is simple.Get public employees to work for free.
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Post by cereb on Jul 9, 2011 11:06:40 GMT -5
"IOW, don't put too much credence on anything I say now, because I will probably say something different yesterday and tomorrow. And when I say the same thing again, it may be on accout of it's not yeaterday or tomorrow.
Thanks for clearing it up, ma'am."
Henry, that isn't what I said at all. Not even close. Remember what I said about game day changers? This falls under the heading of "spinning" and deliberate misinterpretation" I am going to use the word "deliberate" since for the purpose of this discussion we shall assume that you are not a moron. Be advised that I could change my mind about that at any time.
What I said was, I am aware of my positions. I am comfortable with the knowledge that my convictions about most things carry over into other aspects of conversation or debate. If you should feel that I have made a statement that lacks congruence with statements about certain positions which I have published here on this forum, you may feel free to call me on it. That's it. Very simple. I mean exactly as I stated. Do not attempt to interpret this in any other way.
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