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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 4, 2011 21:05:57 GMT -5
"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." - Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
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"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports
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"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation
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"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment
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“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.” - Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
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“The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.” - Dr David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University
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"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience." - Al Gore, Climate Change activist
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"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace
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"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
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"The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level." - Al Gore, Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..." - David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive member
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"Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world's scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet's climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced - a catastrophe of our own making." - Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth
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"We are getting close to catastrophic tipping points, despite the fact that most people barely notice the warming yet." - Dr James Hansen, NASA researcher
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"By the end of this century climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic." - Sir James Lovelock, Revenge of Gaia
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"Climate Change will result in a catastrophic global sea level rise of seven meters. That's bye-bye most of Bangladesh, Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis." - Greenpeace International
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"This planet is on course for a catastrophe. The existence of Life itself is at stake." - Dr Tim Flannery, Principal Research Scientist
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"Coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It's global warming. It's ruining our country. It's ruining our world." - Harry Reid, U.S. Senate majority leader
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"Climate Change is the greatest threat that human civilization has ever faced." - Angela Merkel, German Chancellor
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"Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it's here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon: the man-made natural disaster." - Barack Obama, US President
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"We simply must do everything we can in our power to slow down global warming before it is too late." - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of California
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"Climate change should be seen as the greatest challenge to ever face mankind." - Prince Charles
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"Climate change makes us all global citizens, we are truly all in this together." - Gordon Brown, British Prime Minister
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"We have reached the critical moment of decision on climate change. Failure to act to now would be deeply and unforgivably irresponsible. We urgently require a global environmental revolution." - Tony Blair, former British PM
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"We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance
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"In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years form today it will probably be too late." - Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point
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"We need a new paradigm of development in which the environment will be a priority. World civilization as we know it will soon end. We have very little time and we must act. If we can address the environmental problem, it will have to be done within a new system, a new paradigm. We have to change our mindset, the way humankind views the world." - Mikhail Gorbachev, founder of Green Cross International
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"The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation." - UN Commission on Global Governance report
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"Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time." - Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution
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"The emerging 'environmentalization' of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government." - Mikhail Gorbachev, State of the World Forum
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"I envisage the prinicles of the Earth Charter to be a new form of the ten commandments. They lay the foundation for a sustainable global earth community." - Mikhail Gorbachev, co-author of The Earth Charter
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"In my view, after fifty years of service in the United Nations system, I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present political and economic systems are no longer appropriate and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet. We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways." - Dr Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General,
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"Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty to the international community and beginning to create a new system of international environmental governance as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises." - Lester Brown, WorldWatch Institute
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"Regionalism must precede globalism. We foresee a seamless system of governance from local communities, individual states, regional unions and up through to the United Nations itself." - UN Commission on Global Governance
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"A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income. Perhaps only a new and enlightened humanism can permit mankind to negotiate this transition." - Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point
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"The alternative to the existing world order can only emerge as a result of a new human dimension of progress. We envision a revolution of the mind, a new way of thinking." - Mikhail Gorbachev, State of the World Forum
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"We require a central organizing principle - one agreed to voluntarily. Minor shifts in policy, moderate improvement in laws and regulations, rhetoric offered in lieu of genuine change - these are all forms of appeasement, designed to satisfy the public’s desire to believe that sacrifice, struggle and a wrenching transformation of society will not be necessary." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance
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"Adopting a central organizing principle... means embarking on an all-out effort to use every policy and program, every law and institution... to halt the destruction of the environment." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance
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"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level." - UN Agenda 21
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"The current course of development is thus clearly unsustainable. Current problems cannot be solved by piecemeal measures. More of the same is not enough. Radical change from the current trajectory is not an option, but an absolute necessity. Fundamental economic, social and cultural changes that address the root causes of poverty and environmental degradation are required and they are required now." – from the Earth Charter website
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"The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature's proper steward and society's only hope." - David Brower, founder of Friends of the Earth
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"If we don't overthrow capitalism, we don't have a chance of saving the world ecologically. I think it is possible to have an ecologically sound society under socialism. I don't think it is possible under capitalism" - Judi Bari, principal organiser of Earth First!
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"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 4, 2011 21:06:36 GMT -5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation."[/size][/color] - Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are."- Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control."- Professor Maurice King ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land."- David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it."- Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet."- Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun."- Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Our insatiable drive to rummage deep beneath the surface of the earth is a willful expansion of our dysfunctional civilization into Nature."- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil."– Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world."-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable."- Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on the earth."- Michael Fox, vice-president of The Humane Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs."- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor."- Sir James Lovelock, Healing Gaia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man."- Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.''- Prof Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I don't claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the cull to the size of the surplus population."- Prince Philip, preface of Down to Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible."- United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."- Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "... the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion."- Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population,we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."- Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."- Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems."- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing."- Christopher Manes, Earth First! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “The extinction of Homo Sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species. Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on Earth - social and environmental.”- Ingrid Newkirk, former President of PETA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."- David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The fate of mankind, as well as of religion, depends upon the emergence of a new faith in the future. Armed with such a faith, we might find it possible to resanctify the earth."- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The greatest hope for the Earth lies in religionists and scientists uniting to awaken the world to its near fatal predicament and then leading mankind out of the bewildering maze of international crises into the future Utopia of humanist hope."- Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "What an incredible planet in the universe this will be when we will be one human family living in justice, peace, love and harmony with our divine Earth, with each other and with the heavens."- Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The earth is literally our mother, not only because we depend on her for nurture and shelter but even more because the human species has been shaped by her in the womb of evolution.... Our salvation depends upon our ability to create a religion of nature."- Rene Dubos, board member, Planetary Citizens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Each element, plant, insect, fish and animal represents a certain aspect of Gaia's - and our - being. In a way, we are Gaia's intelligence and awareness - currently lost in self-destructive madness. We must acknowledge, respect and love her for being the Mother she is to us or we deny our very selves. Nurture the Mother as she nurtures us."- Prof. Michael J. Cohen, Ecopsychologist ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is the responsibility of each human being today to choose between the force of darkness and the force of light. We must therefore transform our attitudes, and adopt a renewed respect for the superior laws of Divine Nature."- Maurice Strong, first Secretary General of UNEP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The spirit of our planet is stirring! The Consciousness of Goddess Earth is now rising against all odds, in spite of millennia of suppression, repression and oppression inflicted on Her by a hubristic and misguided humanity. The Earth is a living entity, a biological organism with psychic and spiritual dimensions. With the expansion of the patriarchal religions that focused on a male God majestically stationed in Heaven ruling over the Earth and the Universe, the memory of our planet's innate Divinity was repressed and banished into the collective unconscious of humanity."- Envision Earth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Still more important is the implication that the evolution of homo sapiens, with his technological inventiveness and his increasingly subtle communications network, has vastly increased Gaia's range of perception. She is now through us awake and aware of herself. She has seen the reflection of her fair face through the eyes of astronauts and the television cameras of orbiting spacecraft.
Our sensations of wonder and pleasure, our capacity for conscious thought and speculation, our restless curiosity and drive are hers to share. This new interrelationship of Gaia with man is by no means fully established; we are not yet a truly collective species, corralled and tamed as an integral part of the biosphere, as we are as individual creatures. It may be that the destiny of mankind is to become tamed, so that the fierce, destructive, and greedy forces of tribalism and nationalism are fused into a compulsive urge to belong to the commonwealth of all creatures which constitutes Gaia."– Sir James Lovelock, Gaia: A New Look At Life ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Little by little a planetary prayer book is thus being composed by an increasingly united humanity seeking its oneness. Once again, but this time on a universal scale, humankind is seeking no less than its reunion with 'divine,' its transcendence into higher forms of life. Hindus call our earth Brahma, or God, for they rightly see no difference between our earth and the divine. This ancient simple truth is slowly dawning again upon humanity, as we are about to enter our cosmic age and become what we were always meant to be: the planet of god."- Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "What if Mary is another name for Gaia? Then her capacity for virgin birth is no miracle . . . it is a role of Gaia since life began . . . She is of this Universe and, conceivably, a part of God. On Earth, she is the source of life everlasting and is alive now; she gave birth to humankind and we are part of her."- Sir James Lovelock, Ages of Gaia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nature is my god. To me, nature is sacred; trees are my temples and forests are my cathedrals."- Mikhail Gorbachev, Green Cross International ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The spiritual sense of our place in nature... can be traced to the origins of human civilization.... The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity."- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition."- Peter Singer, founder of Animal Rights ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I pledge allegiance to the Earth and all its sacred parts. Its water, land and living things and all its human hearts."- Global Education Associates, The Earth Pledge ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "By fostering a deep sense of connection to others and to the earth in all its dimensions, holistic education encourages a sense of responsibility to self to others and to the planet."- Global Alliance for Transforming Education ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The earth is not dead matter. She is alive. Now begin to speak to the earth as you walk. You can speak out loud, or just talk to her in your mind. Send your love into her with your exhalation. Feel your heart touching upon the heart of the planet. Say to her whatever words come to you: Mother Earth, I love you. Mother Earth, I bless you. May you be healed. May all your creatures be happy. Peace to you, Mother Earth. On behalf of the human race, I ask forgiveness for having injured you. Forgive us, Mother Earth"- US Student Textbook, "Prayer to the Earth" The Agenda green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html
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Post by Tigerwife3 on Jul 4, 2011 21:17:10 GMT -5
Iwill read this all during the months of July and August.
At least it is color coordinated wirh the thread title.
Thanks!
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 4, 2011 21:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 4, 2011 22:35:12 GMT -5
Quite a compilation of nut cases some I would consider dangerous to society. I admit we need to control pollution and take better care of our resources but I find some of the proposals quite offensive
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 4, 2011 22:53:57 GMT -5
Unfortunately, many of these "nutcases" aren't shy about putting their words into action. They have amassed considerable wealth, wield formidable power, and are utterly convinced they are mankind's only hope of salvation.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 5, 2011 0:20:17 GMT -5
The only two things that one needs to know about God is that He exists and that you aren't Him. Most of the quoted in the OP and Reply #1 fail on both counts. A lot depends on your point of view and if you accept their premises, their proposals sometimes make a lot of sense. Sometimes I that many otherwise intelligent people overload themselves with facts to the point that they can no longer think. That happens with dumb people much sooner. It's a lot like when your boss explains to you that you are expendable and your job no longer exists or can be better and more efficiently performed by someone else cheaper or by a device cheaper and better. Except in this case, it is the powers that be making a similar proclamation about your whole life and the life of everyone else who's not one of them. The Neanderthal [Paleolithic] man lived successfully and was predominant until the arrival of the Cro-Magnon [Neolithic] man at which time he was slowly exterminated. Neanderthals lasted for a couple of hundred thousand years until about 10-20 thousand years ago ~ so we [Neolithic] have been around as predominant only a short time so maybe it's a little early for a new species to arise to take our place. If we assume that the pattern set will continue, that we'll continue essentially unchanged until we're supplanted, in the meantime we'll continue along as we have been for the last 10+ thousand years alternating between subservience and freedom, between relatively equal distribution of wealth and drastically uneven distribution. That there will be hardships alternating with plenty and there'll be occasional mass exterminations which strengthen the gene pool and relieve the pressure on the environment. What matters is how we choose to live our lives. Are we individuals or are we a part of a larger organism to which we owe obeisance. Do we respect the environment because it is useful to us or do we worship the environment because it takes precedence over us. Individualism or collectivism. Notice how the environmental movement [and some others] begin to resemble religious movements? It's interesting that those absorbed in the movements don't notice and resent when it's pointed out.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 5, 2011 0:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 5, 2011 18:45:24 GMT -5
Great list Marsha, thank you for posting. I think the global warming scam is possibly the biggest, most expensive hoax ever perpetrated on the American people...
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 5, 2011 20:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 5, 2011 21:25:45 GMT -5
I've always believed global warming was a myth and a lie, and it was always about control. But thanks to these posts I see it's even more insidious than that. This is liberal facism and would even make hitler blush.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 5, 2011 22:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by Tigerwife3 on Jul 5, 2011 22:13:23 GMT -5
Marshabar and her second link have taken Ginsberg`s comment completely out of context. The New York Times interview does not support that false allegation.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 5, 2011 22:18:46 GMT -5
Well, marsha, under miz her right honorable Ruth Bader Ginzberg, maybe we should look at the Chinese model of one child per household. It would sure serve the problem of future generations of welfare brats, , , , , , and the coming tidal wave of what was once considered ethnic minorities immigrant populations. As for the other pronouncements, I can't find a true conservative anywhere in the entire thread. What I see is elitists formulating policy stances to have the sheeple, (and especially those who vote), blindly follow like moths to a flame. And I, too, like your color coordination effort.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 5, 2011 22:37:07 GMT -5
The full quote from the NYT Ginzberg interview: Q: If you were a lawyer again, what would you want to accomplish as a future feminist legal agenda?
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Reproductive choice has to be straightened out. There will never be a woman of means without choice anymore. That just seems to me so obvious. The states that had changed their abortion laws before Roe [to make abortion legal] are not going to change back. So we have a policy that affects only poor women, and it can never be otherwise, and I don’t know why this hasn’t been said more often.
Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women?
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong. Readers can take from it what they will. I would be curious to hear Tiger's interpretation.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 5, 2011 22:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by Tigerwife3 on Jul 5, 2011 22:58:50 GMT -5
I read it as Ginsburg saying "we" as a nation and not "we" as Ginsburg alone or some small group. She never said she was concerned.
To interpret it any other way is ludicrous and stirring up trouble for trouble`s sake.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 5, 2011 23:36:41 GMT -5
If I may. What I read is a person who reacts to polls.
There were more than just a few who had similar thoughts in 1973 after Roe V Wade. Some of them were lawyers and judges. I wonder how her legal actions during those 7 years impacted people.
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Post by cereb on Jul 5, 2011 23:57:28 GMT -5
The entire first paragraph of this post which is represented as a quote is not in fact a quote from the NYT article. This is an added teaser by the author of the thread. The author of the thread continues down the too familiar path of dishonesty by cherry picking phrases from the article and when taken out of context as they are posted in the above quote box misrepresent Justice Ginsburg remarks completely. This is common behavior from this poster, it is dishonest, and shouldn't be tolerated. Some people obviously never learn.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2011 2:02:39 GMT -5
Your theory is that "we" refers to the American people--a group that even today overwhelmingly abhors the use of abortion for birth control purposes--rather than to Justice Ginsberg and her legal cohorts circa 1973? And to question your interpretation is "ludicrous"? The entire first paragraph is not represented as a quote. The portion that is represented as a quote is clearly delineated. The paragraph does not pretend to be anything except EoAD's interpretation of Ginsburg's statements during the NYT interview.
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Post by cereb on Jul 6, 2011 2:07:13 GMT -5
"The entire first paragraph is not represented as a quote. The portion that is represented as a quote is clearly delineated. The paragraph does not pretend to be anything except EoAD's interpretation of Ginsburg's statements during the NYT interview."
It's inside the quote box.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 6, 2011 2:16:05 GMT -5
That's because Ms. marsha quoted the overlying article from EoAD. She has the "Quote Source" indicated at the bottom, and a link to the Ginsburg NYT interview labeled as "Bader Ginsburg NYT article".
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 6, 2011 17:00:16 GMT -5
" Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."
I read it as Ginsburg saying "we" as a nation and not "we" as Ginsburg alone or some small group. She never said she was concerned.
To interpret it any other way is ludicrous and stirring up trouble for trouble`s sake.
" Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. "
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 7, 2011 12:57:38 GMT -5
The First Global Revolutionbooks.google.com/books?id=8RNKHGbzUuAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=falseIn their own words. The Club of Rome has plans for mankind. The Fabian Socialists adopted these words from Omar Khayyam. The desire is to take this world and shatter it, to rebuild it more in line with the desires of the Master Class. This same poem appears as the overleaf to the Club of Rome report, The First Global Revolution. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."- Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
The latest current official world population is estimated at 6,852,472,823.
"... the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion."[/color] - Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population,we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."- Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."- Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing."- Christopher Manes, Earth First! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."- David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club green-agenda.com/quoterefs.html
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