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Post by cereb on Jul 2, 2011 16:18:06 GMT -5
This is why so many people dislike atheists: their utter arrogance and desire to rain on everyone else's parade (almost literally in this case). No one really cares about their beliefs but they sure do care about YOURS to the point of getting in your face as noted above or thinking that a street sign like "Seven in Heaven" violates the Constitution, The stupid morons don't even understand what the Establishment clause in the First Amendment is nor that the phrase "seperation of church and state" is not in the Constitution, nor that most of our Founders were religious men who were guided by their Christian principles even as they respected other's right to not be religious. Other stupid ideas of theirs: "keep religion private" like it's some evil or embarrassing thing. What does that mean? I can't wear a cross or carry a Bible? Must all Churches be hidden so as not to offend (a mega victory mosque on the sites of a Muslim attack is ok though)? Are the words "God" and "Jesus" to be struck from the public venacular? Are the religious banned from voting lest those religious twisted minds somehow make us follow some evil and warped ideas like charity or laws against murder and theft? Nice little rant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 16:51:47 GMT -5
oped's DH Just look up in The Preamble to The Constitution of The United States and u'll see that there is no mention of "God" or Christianity. Claiming that if u're not christian you're not a patriot is just wrong. Can anybody prove that all those that died for this country were christians? To be Christian means to believe in Jessus Christ. Believing in Jessus doesn't make u any better but claiming that's the only way makes u ignorant of other beliefs. And for those that believe in Jessus and think everybody else is the enemy especially the muslims here is something that u most likely didn't know: muslims believe in God and Jessus. Allah means "God" and Jessus is the second bigest prophet after Mohamed. Declaring that lands inhabited by muslims are "godless" proves ignorance. At the end, your religious believes are not the determining factor of your patriotism so please spare with details! "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" -that's what defines patriotism. I know that a few of you on this board have served. To those of u that did, if I offended, my sincere appologies! All of those that did u deserve our undying gratitude and respect forever and ever!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 2, 2011 17:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by Shirina on Jul 2, 2011 17:07:36 GMT -5
If this was a survey question, the author should be fired. This question is loaded, for it forces a person to agree that rights are Creator-given if they wish to agree that rights exist in the first place. I have no doubt that many who agreed with it only did so because not agreeing to it sounds as if you do not agree with having rights.
Tsk, tsk. Poorly worded question if ever there was one.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 2, 2011 17:09:05 GMT -5
The data is from a Rasmussen Poll and Rasmussen is also a Fox News political analysis you have to assume Liberals think his polls and analysis are not too popular...but I find them interesting and do have some merit.
Funny how I posted a Gallup Poll that has Obama at @ 43% Approval and Liberals here thought that was a lot of BS and didn't agree with it...and then a military poll was posted that had Obama's app oval rating at @ 37% and again that polls was also discredited ...Seems to be a lot of Liberals denigrating polls going around here lately
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 17:15:43 GMT -5
That is what Rasmussen generally produces...
Oh my....lol.... This phone does crazy weird substitution but I typed rasm and it offered up Rasmussen as fill in ...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 2, 2011 17:17:24 GMT -5
Check out our review of last week’s key polls to see “What They Told Us.”
The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates are also available on Twitter and Facebook. Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) at least somewhat disapprove. Americans continue to embrace the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent (90%) agree that “we are all endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 2, 2011 18:40:30 GMT -5
Ameiko: As to the answer to your question-why do people hate Atheists. here is my view. When this country started to develop if you were not of a certain religion you were not welcome in that town. The creation of the state of Rhode Island was a classic example. Over time this slowly changed but still had overtones clear into the fifties. Atheists for the most part were overlooked. Then came the McCarty era where if you were an atheist you had to also be a communist. Russia, China etc had turned totally away from Christianity and especially China for good reason. Blame the British for that. But during the McCarthy era if you were not Christian then you had to be an Atheist commy. Part of the cold war retoric. In short that is my view of why atheist were to become a suspicious group. Hopefully that view will diminish over time. My belief a person has a brain and how they use it is up to them. Although I believe in a supreme God I don't expect everybody to see the world as I do. Nor should anyone else.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 3, 2011 4:28:13 GMT -5
So you're saying that telephone poles, the other 529 channels, and all non-church buildings actively support and promote atheism? How often on many of those other channels do you see Christians being portrayed in a positive light?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 3, 2011 4:29:11 GMT -5
As usual, ed goes for the "usual suspects." None of those people were "violent" in an effort to promote atheism. They were authoritarian, and dictators often find religion a threat because it takes focus away from state loyalty to church loyalty. Being anti-religion is NOT the same thing as being atheist. Hitler for example is well known for believing in God ... or a God ... and often gave that deity credit for the miraculous escapes from death he had had over the years. However, understanding which "God" he believed in can be a bit murky, but he did believe in one. It is quite possible (and it was often the case) that believers in God can be anti-religion and still be believers, especially those that wish to build a cult of personality around themselves (having God on your side always helps legitimize your authority). So you are denying that Christians are killed anywhere based on their religion?
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Post by Shirina on Jul 3, 2011 8:53:11 GMT -5
Irrelevant.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 3, 2011 8:54:16 GMT -5
Sure they are ... and they are killed largely by other religions, not atheists.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 3, 2011 10:21:15 GMT -5
If those were conservative banners, the planes and pilots would be in danger...thank God they aren't. Liberals, and especially liberal atheists, tend to get violent... i think it is funny when conservatives play the persecution card. in 2002, i remember being one of those vocal dissenters to the upcoming Iraq War. i was routinely lambasted and scorned for my "Anti-Americanism". i consoled myself by knowing that i was doing the right thing for me and for my country. you should do the same.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 3, 2011 10:29:14 GMT -5
Most of the Founders were not Christian, they were Deist. So... Its OK for a Christian to be public in their beliefs... but not ok for the atheist to to be public about theirs? You argue against 'keeping religion private'... and then say atheists shouldn't 'get in your face' ? ... I'm agnostic myself... but feel free to misuse atheist/agnostic/etc. the same way y'all tend to misuse socialist/communist/facist... Interesting, what is the difference between a Christian and a Deist? A Deist, as far as I know, sees God as being more hands off and setting things in motion but I do not see that being imcompatible with being Christian? Did they not believe in the New Testament and that Christ was the Son of God? If they did hold those beliefs, then yes they are Christian. no, they didn't actually believe that Jesus was the son of God, nor did they believe in the original sin, the resurrection, salvation through Jesus, or any other aspects of miracle in the Bible. basically, they believed in the rational aspects of the Bible, the brotherhood of man, and a kind and loving (though detached from the day to day affairs of man) God.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 3, 2011 10:31:34 GMT -5
I wonder how many are really die hard athiest..loud speaking.., they just know they are right, correct on this issue or are more likely, not that observant, reguler church/synagogue/temple going folks..who at times pay lip service to, feel there possible is a higher power but still...there is a faith at times but then again... IMHO, I beelive there are a lot of those types..vs the die hard athiest types Again, IMHO of course.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 3, 2011 10:35:59 GMT -5
i don't buy the "Hitler was an atheist" argument, for the record. he was born Catholic, i believe, and raised in that religion. the Nazi party had all kinds of weird religious beliefs: some sort of spastic blend of hyper Norse mythology coupled with Eugenics (which is clearly not very scientific, and resembles a cult, as far as i am concerned).
but if you want to tout the merits of theocracy over atheism, i think it would be well and good to consider the Islamic Jiihad, the Spanish Inquisition, and the conservative Christian leaders in East Africa in the last half century among the atrocities.
i am forced to conclude that evil can be done in the name of God or man, but it remains evil.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 3, 2011 12:59:17 GMT -5
Here's another one for True Patriots IMHO: HOW JOHN WAYNE SAVED THE MARINES Today is John Wayne’s 104th birthday. He was born on May 26, 1907 in Winterset , Iowa , as Marion Morrison, weighing 13 pounds. His birthplace is a museum. There is a guest book, opened to a page with the entry, in the entrant’s handwriting, Name: Ronald Reagan. Address: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. , Washington DC . To celebrate the birthday of a truly great American, let me tell you how John Wayne saved the Marine Corps. In the aftermath of World War II, the psychological letdown after years of war and bloodshed, the huge demobilization of servicemen, the desire to slash military spending, and the antipathy towards the military by left-wingers in the Democratic Party all combined in a call by a number of Senators and Congressmen to abolish the Marine Corps. In this, they were supported by the Doolittle Board, created by Harry Truman, which called for the Marine Corps to be “disbanded” as a separate military force, and “unified” with the Army (yes, the board was headed by an Air Force general, Jimmy Doolittle). A group of enterprising Marines – you can always depend on Marines to be enterprising – with Hollywood connections, thought a movie made around the most famous photograph of World War II, Joe Rosenthal’s of the Marines raising the flag on Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima , could help sway public opinion against their disbandment. They approached legendary director Allan Dwan, who agreed to commission a script. The movie was to be called “The Sands of Iwo Jima,” and everybody agreed there was only one man who could play the lead role of Sergeant Stryker: John Wayne. To their great surprise, Wayne turned it down. He didn’t like the script, and he wasn’t enamored of the character of Stryker. The Marines came to the rescue again. The Marine Corps Commandant, General Clifton B. Cates, got on an airplane and flew from Washington to California to personally request Wayne make the picture. When General Cates explained the stakes involved – the very existence of the Marine Corps – Wayne immediately changed his mind, promising the general he would do everything in his power to have the movie be a success. The Sands of Iwo Jima was released in 1949 and quickly became a runaway blockbuster, with millions of moviegoers packing every theatre showing it. Wayne was nominated for a Best Actor Oscar, establishing him as Hollywood ’s Number One box-office star. The Doolittle Board folded its tent, and no politician on Capitol Hill ever again said a word about disbanding the Marines. So let’s all say “Semper Fi” to the memory of John Wayne. To further celebrate his birthday, here’s a treat and some advice. The treat is this link: A biography of John Wayne written by Ronald Reagan, in the October 1979 Reader’s Digest. The advice is this: Don’t ever trust a man who doesn’t like John Wayne. A man’s opinion of John Wayne is a good rule-of-thumb test of his character and moral values. To admire John Wayne is to admire the heroic and the morally noble. To sneer at John Wayne is to admire the opposite. It’s revealing that you find very few liberals among the former, and very few conservatives among the latter. www.mclwestchester.org/NewsEvents/News/tabid/86/ID/423/How-John-Wayne-Saved-the-Marines.aspx
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 3, 2011 13:04:42 GMT -5
How can any one not love the "Duke"...ok, I kniow a lot of woman look at me in ascance if I mention him , but for most of the males in the audience..Though how many of us remember the DI saying "You better not catch me seeing you pull the pin with your teeth"..''or words similer to that..
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2011 13:42:06 GMT -5
How can any one not love the "Duke"... America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Many established stars rushed to sign up for military service.
As the majority of male leads left Hollywood to serve overseas, John Wayne saw his just-blossoming stardom at risk. Despite enormous pressure from his inner circle of friends, he put off enlisting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne#Military_service To their great surprise, Wayne turned it down. He didn’t like the script, and he wasn’t enamored of the character of Stryker.
What is there not to love.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 3, 2011 14:10:13 GMT -5
To their great surprise, Wayne turned it down. He didn’t like the script, and he wasn’t enamored of the character of StrykerI knew quite a few Sergeant Strykers who had been Tops and busted back to Sergeant for drinking too much after a messy divorce but were dam good squad leaders...so what is there not to like about the Stryker characters in this world.. Wasn't John Wayne hated by Liberals for being so conservative and outspoken Didn't the Liberal Media try to claim Wayne stayed out of the military for some bogus medical reasons..?? And his best bud and mentor John Ford was a real hero who was a Navy Commander on Midway when it was attacked by the Japanese and he was wounded while filming the action..
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2011 15:03:06 GMT -5
... Didn't the Liberal Media try to claim Wayne stayed out of the military for some bogus medical reasons..?? ... I thought it was the conservative media that did that to cover the true reason (i.e. Wayne saw a great career opportunity with so many leading males leaving Hollywood).
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 3, 2011 15:09:30 GMT -5
Pretty good advice.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 3, 2011 15:12:14 GMT -5
what ever, this middle to the left always liked the "Duke '..he was something special...his conservative views he had a right to them..if I ddin';t agree with all of them, who says I had it right..as far as serving in WW as a active..I beelive he did plenty for the war effort..above and beyond..to have to go into combat to prove one self, well we who have been there know that proves nothing...for most, luck of the draw..however , in WW, so many famouse, sports figures, the movie stars..some before they became famouse , and then so many while they were at the peak of their profession..a different time, a different era, a different generation...my hat is off to them..
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2011 15:14:34 GMT -5
John Wayne the man or John Wayne the myth?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2011 15:16:43 GMT -5
what ever, this middle to the left always liked the "Duke '..he was something special...his conservative views he had a right to them..if I ddin';t agree with all of them, who says I had it right..as far as serving in WW as a active..I beelive he did plenty for the war effort..above and beyond..to have to go into combat to prove one self, well we who have been there know that proves nothing...for most, luck of the draw..however , in WW, so many famouse, sports figures, the movie stars..some before they became famouse , and then so many while they were at the peak of their profession..a different time, a different era, a different generation...my hat is off to them.. My hat is off to those who served also. "To admire (them) is to admire the heroic and the morally noble."
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 3, 2011 15:16:50 GMT -5
There's a difference? I can't say I ever met the man.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2011 15:17:42 GMT -5
There's a difference? I can't say I ever met the man. We are the choices we make.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 10:54:39 GMT -5
You do have free speech (at least for now). You DO NOT have a constitutionally guaranteed right to not be exposed to other peoples' religions. If you can show me where in the Constitution it says you do, I'd like to see it...
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 6, 2011 11:00:42 GMT -5
You do have free speech (at least for now). You DO NOT have a constitutionally guaranteed right to not be exposed to other peoples' religions. If you can show me where in the Constitution it says you do, I'd like to see it... There is no such statement in the constitution. The lack of same means NOBODY has the right, in this country, not to be exposed to the religious beliefs of others. That would include religions other than Christianity.
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