AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 1, 2011 10:01:12 GMT -5
I will say though, I find it amusing that suddenly DOMA is cast as a "basic law" that we "depend on" particularly since Bill Clinton signed it into law. Funny how we managed to survive quite well without it. Law is law. As the the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States, the President doesn't get to pick and choose which laws he's going to enforce. I'm not naive- I know they all do it to a degree, but until the Bamster, they all at least made a token effort-- like enforcing the speed limit, there'd be some random, arbitrary enforcement. Obama has a pile of impeachable offenses- topping the list is the violation of the War Powers Act with Lybia, though the gun running is pretty serious, too. However, I'm not a purist. I'm a realist. We have to acknowledge the politics of the situation. We don't want to have a big show trial with a bunch of evidence and complicated terms and rules the general public doesn't understand. Even if it's clear cut- we also can't ignore the fact the far left will immediate-- and sadly, quite effectively play the race card. OJ Simpson anyone? In the meantime, there's an election looming. We should just focus on getting the country on the right track-- let him run amok. Reign him in when and where we can-- but manage him rather than try to remove him from office.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 10:58:36 GMT -5
Exactly, paul. I can see it now, just as soon as the news hits the street. All the former attempts to show who he really is and how he has duped the country how he has duped the entire world will start flowing. The media has stayed away from it all, , , but they'll be on this like vultures, pointing out how there has been nothing but "unsubstantiated attacks" against Obama ever since before the election, and that most of them, , , like these , , are race based.
And then the members of congress start getting letters and e-mails, all of them asking why now, with many of them clamoring for camera time so they can defend the president against another unwarranted attack.
And that doesn't even get us to places like Watts or the Philadelphia voting precinct. Those radar blips would become firestorm battlegrounds several times over.
Paul is right. Support the effort to curtail runaway spending, Look closely at any politician who has stumped for Obama's policies and keep him contained until the election. I don't look for it to happen, but if his handlers can see he has no chance of being re-elected maybe he won't even run. At least that would give a decent Democraty a chance to help bring the country back to its senses.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jul 1, 2011 10:59:25 GMT -5
That is until we want to regulate everything with more laws <-- eat it or have it, folks. [/color][/quote] Well, we are laughing, but not because of what you think. Well, someone needs to get his ACT together... And yeah, I forgot, once those gays marry, everyone's marriage will become valueless or something. As a recap, we have one, um act, that liberals supposedly laugh at but don't and it's supposed to be a basic law but isn't, and that's all anyone has yet to come up with for liberals who, for the sake of argumentative convenience, disregard laws in one thread, but want more of them in others. I know you can PM each other, so why don't you Conservatives and Obama haters use it to get your act together? Maybe exchange notes and come up with some sort of plan or something; especially work on your contradictions, double-standards, hypocrisy, strawmen, circle jerks, anecdotal evidence, Madame Cleo subscription, and self declared victories.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 1, 2011 12:15:33 GMT -5
While Obama is subject to the "Buck stops here" slogan, the President is not responsible for every malfeasance of every pubic official, even those in the Federal Government. He is responsible and accountable for his response to whatever problems occur under his Administration. The fact that some TSA employees may abuse their authority, that some FBI/ATF agents may abuse theirs and/or other Federal employees are incompetent, dishonest or otherwise abuse their position is not necessarily an indictment of the Administration under which they work. In fact, most career Federal employees serve under both Democratic and Republican Administrations [if they last long enough]. On the other hand, what the Obama Administration has or has not done about the things that have gone wrong is a legitimate subject.
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AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 1, 2011 12:45:03 GMT -5
While Obama is subject to the "Buck stops here" slogan, the President is not responsible for every malfeasance of every pubic official, even those in the Federal Government. He is responsible and accountable for his response to whatever problems occur under his Administration. The fact that some TSA employees may abuse their authority, that some FBI/ATF agents may abuse theirs and/or other Federal employees are incompetent, dishonest or otherwise abuse their position is not necessarily an indictment of the Administration under which they work. In fact, most career Federal employees serve under both Democratic and Republican Administrations [if they last long enough]. On the other hand, what the Obama Administration has or has not done about the things that have gone wrong is a legitimate subject. The bold above is mine- for emphasis. I basically agree with this assessment. The correct response is Eric Holder's resignation- on this issue. However, the continued illegal war in Libya which is still being prosecuted in violation of the War Powers Act as well as the threat to keep right on spending violating the debt limit set by Congress should he carry it out are both impeachable offenses.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 1, 2011 14:31:38 GMT -5
I don't think Republicans should get rope-a-doped into impeaching Obama. I agree. Neather impeached president was removed from office anyway because the senate failed to convict them....and we know it would never happen in Harry's Senate either. A good place to start would have been Dick Durbin's congressional hearing when he asked the "young persons in the room to stand if they were currently undocumented aliens who would be eligible to become citizens if the DREAM Act were passed". As a videotape of the hearing shows, a large portion of the audience in the room rose at Durbin's request. Durbin also said in his introductory remarks that there were "hundreds" of young people in the room eligible to become beneficiaries of the DREAM Act. Our Senators...our lawmakers...staring into the eyes of so many lawbreakers and not doing a damned thing about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:11:16 GMT -5
They DO NOT CARE. They don't care if they are skilled laborers, if they are welfare Moms, they do not care. Open the floodgates, let them in. They LIE about the numbers, and ICE (OBAMA) has now said if they are PG, nursing (gimme a break, they use WIC formula.. be real) in school, PLANNING to be in school, PLANNING to join the military, or SICK-- they are all cool. I'd say that covers just about everyone, except hard core felons-- and we will feed and house THEM in PRISON!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:52:18 GMT -5
I know several women on wic who nurse. They get more food credits for themselves when they nurse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:53:22 GMT -5
Are you talking about DREAM krick?
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 1, 2011 16:21:53 GMT -5
FY's correct. Zero chance of conviction in the Senate that we have now. It would be a complete waste of time to even try.
If the House wants to change things, now is the time to spend time on that. Something of substance, not something of fancy. Forget things like family values, abortion, flag burning, eliminate the Fed or any other image crap like that.
Maybe start to trim down the Patriot Act with focus on TSA. Maybe work on removing egregious tax deductions. Maybe give some focus to grant programs. Same with foreign aid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 0:24:33 GMT -5
I don't think Paul seems to be a big Bush fan either and..... I think mkitty WCP
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 4, 2011 1:19:10 GMT -5
FY's correct. Zero chance of conviction in the Senate that we have now. It would be a complete waste of time to even try. If the House wants to change things, now is the time to spend time on that. Something of substance, not something of fancy. Forget things like family values, abortion, flag burning, eliminate the Fed or any other image crap like that. Maybe start to trim down the Patriot Act with focus on TSA. Maybe work on removing egregious tax deductions. Maybe give some focus to grant programs. Same with foreign aid. foreign aid is a popular target, but it won't save much money. we would be wiser to withdraw troops in a timely way from our "engagements".
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 4, 2011 12:51:18 GMT -5
Amazing how the discussion ends when you present facts.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 5, 2011 19:30:27 GMT -5
Well, if you don't educate them(allow them into public schools,) don't feed and shelter them, don't give them jobs, cars, bank accounts, then eventually they will leave because they will have nothing. Especially no health care. Baby born here? The law still says it's a citizen but you are not, so you may leave it in foster care and hope it gets adopted out or take it with you back to wherever you came from.
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