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Post by Value Buy on Jun 29, 2011 10:20:37 GMT -5
He is regarded as an expert on the formation of democracies in evolving nations. He doesn't believe Jesus is the son of God, nor the immaculate conception, nor the resurrection. He believes religion has no place in the public realm. He has a child with the teenage daughter of his employee. He has a Quran in his home library as well as a Bible. Interesting premise. We also have to remember, the "quality of life" observed by the "voters" elegible to vote back in those days. Free white males. And I sincerely say, I doubt they actually knew many of these personal things about Jefferson. He probably would get a "high five" on the "slave baby issue" from his constituents, but not sure about the other items. A limited voter base, I must say. Now, if, blacks and white women were allowed to vote, would Jefferson been elected? I am not so sure.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:24:04 GMT -5
The problem with our current "requirements" for president is that this person, who was instrumental in the formation of our nation and did serve well as our president, would be disqualified automatically............ Who's requirements? The requirement of a biased media perhaps, but not mine. Politics these days is all about digging up dirt on your opponent and sensationalizing even trivial shit in the media. For once, I'd really like to see an campaign in which the candidates talk about their own achievements much more than their opponents failures. I know I'll never see it though. The whole political campaign is useless tit for tat....like the 3rd grade mentality like "well you're ugly" in response to a comment. Here's just two of a few examples of that useless tit for tat.. 3rd grade mentailty if you can understand any of it: Ha Ha swamp! Love it! No pi .... You are the one suggesting that owning a Quran is the same as being jihad. Translation: must ... turn ... every ... thread ... into ... an ... Obama ... Bash ... must ... feed ... obsession ... And technically, he wasn't born in the United States! But more importantly: Jefferson was a polymath who spoke five languages and could read two others. He was a major book collector with an enormous library, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_JeffersonHow dare an egg-headed intellectual be president!!!!!1! They should have had Eustace Jones the farmer be president!
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 10:27:44 GMT -5
Truthfully, I've got a problem with him knocking up the teen daughters of his slave, and the fact he owned slaves too. But I still recognize and appreciate his efforts in the formation in our country. As do I. I'm just not sure it's a fair assessment to say that he'd be automatically disqualified today based on some of his actions, when the social norms of his time were vastly different than what is acceptable today. You raised a good point about potentially overlooking good and otherwise qualified candidates based on their actions... but I will not vote for someone as my president who falls drastically short of acceptable social norms, or even my own personal norms. And depending on the age of the teen, the question may be moot in quite a few states since Jefferson could be serving time for statutory rape.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:33:45 GMT -5
The Liberal Media tried to recently destroy Newt Gingrich for his three marriages and infidelities, but he probably self destructed again with his Politically Incorrect Attitude, and now they are questioning the congresswoman Bachmann's claim about raising 20+ foster children and other family matters...that is why I doubt that Palin will run for President and subject herself and her family to these long knives from the Liberal Media.. Just two cents worth today but stay tuned for more later..
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 10:35:19 GMT -5
This is all amusing but the reason many would vote for TJ and not for someone like Barack Obama is because Jefferson understood the proper role of the federal government. He knew it was not an apparatus for taking over the personal, professional and financial lives of citizens. He understood the federal government's role was to protect the borders and economic interests of the United States, not to regulate, terrorize and invade every aspect of its citizens' lives. Politicians like Obama do not see themselves as public servants, but as rulers. Obama (and Bush, Clinton, Carter, etc) is much more a King George than a Thomas Jefferson...
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 10:46:41 GMT -5
The Liberal Media tried to recently destroy Newt Gingrich for his three marriages and infidelities, but he probably self destructed again with his Politically Incorrect Attitude, and now they are questioning the congresswoman Bachmann's claim about raising 20+ foster children and other family matters...that is why I doubt that Palin will run for President and subject herself and her family to these long knives from the Liberal Media.. Just two cents worth today but stay tuned for more later.. I'm not questioning Bachmann's raising of foster children. I applaud those who are willing to take on such a difficult job. I do, however, take issue with her public stance against government programs, since she got government subsidies when raising said foster children.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:58:58 GMT -5
I beleive I said the Liberal Media aka Liberal Attack Dogs of Summer are questioning Ms Bachmann's foster childrens claims:
George Stephanopoulos implies the media will investigate Michele Bachmann’s foster children
June 28, 2011
tags: media bias, Michele Bachmann, Politics, primary
by Steve Dennis .
When Michele Bachmann appeared in Concord New Hampshire back in March and erroneously declared that this was the place where the shot heard around the world occurred I was fairly harsh on her for this historical gaffe. This was the first time that I paid any real attention to Michele Bachmann and I was less than impressed with her for her lack of knowledge regarding American history, but then came the debate a few weeks ago and she caught my attention; in a field that I would categorize as less than impressive Michele Bachmann stood out and I feel she did exceedingly well in the debate. I have decided to give he a close look during the primary, and have not ruled out casting my vote for her. And now the media is firing at her with both barrels, and the fact that the media finds her so offensive has me thinking that there is something about her that they fear; and when the media is against someone I tend to gravitate to that person. During a recent interview with George Stephanopoulos it was implied that the media would be investigating her 23 foster children in an attempt to bring her down. Foster children come from broken homes and troubled backgrounds and the people who are willing to become foster parents know and understand this, yet they choose to take in these children in the hope that they can raise and nurture them in a loving home with the goal of helping to turn these troubled children’s live around. The media knows this of course, and will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann when they should be celebrating her committment to helping these children possibly turn their lives around. I find this a disgusting political ploy to say the least. If the media wants to investigate the background of the candidate running for office that is one thing, but to involve the children of the candidate is in extremely bad taste, especially when the motives of that candidate are as pure as were Michele Bachmann’s. I find it interesting that the media may feel legitimized to investigate Michele Bachmann’s foster children’s background but were less than enthusiastic about investigating–or even reporting–the background of Barack Obama, including his associations with the now infamous Reverend Wright or Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, or his admission to seeking out radical communists and Marxists while in college. If the media had done their job when Barack Obama was still a candidate the country would be better off today, but they ignored Barack Obama’s radical ties, and now they are looking to capitalize on Michele Bachmann’s charitable nature.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 11:00:40 GMT -5
Here's Your Liberal Media in action which I think bears repeating:
Foster children come from broken homes and troubled backgrounds and the people who are willing to become foster parents know and understand this, yet they choose to take in these children in the hope that they can raise and nurture them in a loving home with the goal of helping to turn these troubled children’s live around.
The media knows this of course, and will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann when they should be celebrating her committment to helping these children possibly turn their lives around. I find this a disgusting political ploy to say the least.
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Post by pig on Jun 29, 2011 11:05:29 GMT -5
No.
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Post by stats45 on Jun 29, 2011 11:06:11 GMT -5
Most of the Founding Fathers would have been considered liberals at their time against conservatives who supported monarchy, less democracy and accountability from government, and fewer guarantees of civil rights.
It is so hard to judge them on a completely different continuum of politics today.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 11:07:23 GMT -5
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
He was right about the tryrants but I will let others name them..
Thomas Jefferson made a comment about the Presidency and age. He said that one should not worry about one’s exact chronological age in reference to his ability to perform one’s task. And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying. ...Ronald Reagan
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 29, 2011 11:08:06 GMT -5
In Jefferson's time, impregnating the teenaged daughter of a slave was not considered in the same way it's considered today. Slavery wasn't considered in the same way as it is today. Neither was illegal; yet, both are illegal today (with caveats in state laws addressing the age of the teenaged daughter). In his time, what he did was anything but unusual. With the rest of the points listed, I'm in total agreement. I find it refreshing that Jefferson had a copy of the Qur'an. Better to understand something than to condemn it based on hearsay and minimal knowledge, in my opinion. Probably not. Thomas Jefferson (unless this was the guy who ran the local barber shop when Reagan was a lad) was born in 1743 and died in 1826.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 11:16:53 GMT -5
Most of the Founding Fathers would have been considered liberals at their time against conservatives who supported monarchy, less democracy and accountability from government, and fewer guarantees of civil rights. It is so hard to judge them on a completely different continuum of politics today. I would have to disagree because weren't our Founding Fathers more driven by smaller government, less taxing, strong military, and conservative financial platforms.. At least the Founding Fathers that I studied by Reading all of the Federalist Papers in Rhetoric Classes were to some degree... And Ronald Reagan said on several occasions that he knew Thomas Jefferson and modeled much of his presidency on Jefferson's ideas..
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 11:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 29, 2011 11:24:55 GMT -5
Ask him how he feels about his picture being on the $2 bill. And also, explain to him that the $2 bill is a joke to all the other currency, except maybe the Susan B. Anthony dollar coin.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 11:26:34 GMT -5
Ask him how he feels about his picture being on the $2 bill. And also, explain to him that the $2 bill is a joke to all the other currency, except maybe the Susan B. Anthony dollar coin. He's pissed about that. He's got a bone to pick with Benji.
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Post by shelby on Jun 29, 2011 11:27:07 GMT -5
"The media knows this of course, and will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann when they should be celebrating her committment to helping these children possibly turn their lives around. I find this a disgusting political ploy to say the least."
So do you have any actual articles of the media digging up dirt on these foster children's past...or just some guy who is speculating on bias against the media? I am having a hard time taking your posts seriously seem to be rife with assumptions and extreme partisan bias.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 11:40:28 GMT -5
He is regarded as an expert on the formation of democracies in evolving nations. He doesn't believe Jesus is the son of God, nor the immaculate conception, nor the resurrection. He believes religion has no place in the public realm. He has a child with the teenage daughter of his employee. He has a Quran in his home library as well as a Bible. without looking, i am guessing this is Thomas Jefferson. and yes, i would absolutely vote him for president.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 11:40:52 GMT -5
Truthfully, I've got a problem with him knocking up the teen daughters of his slave, and the fact he owned slaves too. But I still recognize and appreciate his efforts in the formation in our country. As do I.You both do because that would not be acceptable in this day and age. In those days though, slavery was as legal as drinking a beer and it was far from unusual for wealthy widowers to take an enslaved women as a concubine.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 11:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 29, 2011 11:53:05 GMT -5
Probably not since he fought against the national banking system and a national currency.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 12:00:34 GMT -5
"The media knows this of course, and will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann when they should be celebrating her committment to helping these children possibly turn their lives around. I find this a disgusting political ploy to say the least." So do you have any actual articles of the media digging up dirt on these foster children's past...or just some guy who is speculating on bias against the media? I am having a hard time taking your posts seriously seem to be rife with assumptions and extreme partisan bias. Here you go Ma'am if you don't like George Stefanopoulus's comments questioning Bachmann's foster children and if you don't lke the 2n link provided for this issue you can google it yourself and that might help your understanding of my assumptions and extreme partisan bias but then again probably NOT but at least I tried and FYI I am not a partisan democrat but rather just an average conservative, white male but my two grand kids like me.. Did Michele Bachmann "raise" 23 foster kids? www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20072121-503544.html
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 29, 2011 12:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by shelby on Jun 29, 2011 12:22:41 GMT -5
"might help your understanding of my assumptions and extreme partisan bias but then again probably NOT"
Yes NOT, nothing of specifics of the childrens background no names diagnoses nothing but the nature of her fostering. Unless you suggest the fact that she has foster children at all should never be mentioned or questioned than fine. But that is not what you posted...you posted
"will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann"
Still proved nothing but the fact you are making stuff up based on some guys assumptions.
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 12:35:35 GMT -5
Even if those posts disagree with your own personal view?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 12:45:11 GMT -5
"The media knows this of course, and will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann when they should be celebrating her committment to helping these children possibly turn their lives around. I find this a disgusting political ploy to say the least." So do you have any actual articles of the media digging up dirt on these foster children's past...or just some guy who is speculating on bias against the media? I am having a hard time taking your posts seriously seem to be rife with assumptions and extreme partisan bias. Here you go Ma'am this is the link I provided for you in case you were not able to download it: NEW ORLEANS - After her speech at the Republican Leadership Conference, I asked GOP presidential candidate and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann about her repeated claims that she has "raised" 23 foster children, a comment she reiterated in an interview with CNN following her speech. Writing in the Daily Beast this week, Michelle Goldberg quoted Kris Harvieux, who worked as a senior social worker in the foster care system in Bachmann's county, who said at least some of Bachmann's placements were likely short term. "Some of them you have for a week. Some of them you have for three years, some you have for six months," he said. "She makes it sound like she got them at birth and raised them to adulthood, but that's not true." According to Goldberg, the Minnesota Department of Human Services reports that Bachmann's foster care license allowed her to care for at most three children at any one time; she had the license for 7 1/2 years. Asked to explain her situation with her foster children, Bachmann said "we took children in as teenagers." "Their family was facing a challenge and they weren't going to be able to be at home with their parents and so we took them in as teenagers," she continued. "And our job was to see that they graduated from high school and were successfully launched into the world." Asked how long they lived with her, she said "it varied." I asked Bachmann to explain the parameters of how long the children lived with her - was it as short as one week? As long as three years? "It varied, it really varied depending on the children," Bachmann responded. "And we've never gotten into specifics about the children because we've always wanted to observe their privacy and that of their families. As I'm sure you can appreciate." Michele Bachmann: I'll bring the voice of the people to the Oval Office "might help your understanding of my assumptions and extreme partisan bias but then again probably NOT" Yes NOT, nothing of specifics of the childrens background no names diagnoses nothing but the nature of her fostering. Unless you suggest the fact that she has foster children at all should never be mentioned or questioned than fine. But that is not what you posted...you posted "will be looking to use the backgrounds of these children, and any acts these children did in their past as a reason to attack Michele Bachmann" Still proved nothing but the fact you are making stuff up based on some guys assumptions. Ma'am with all due respects I have provided you with two pretty good sources re: Bachmann's foster children....but you seem to be ignoring them and just looking for a disagreement or argument on this issue...I suggest you do your own research if you don't like what I provided for you. And not sure about your negative comments or what your point is??If you don't like or questions this source/link then I don't know what to say to you except C'Ya and have a nice day or find someone else to discuss foster kids with Did Michele Bachmann "raise" 23 foster kids? www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20072121-503544.html
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 12:47:38 GMT -5
Taking a foster kid in for a week isn't "raising" them. However, I applaud her for doing it. I still think she's a whack job, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 12:51:52 GMT -5
Madison was also in his 30s and engaged to a teenager...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 12:54:46 GMT -5
Madison was also in his 30s and engaged to a teenager... there was a time when private affairs of heads of state remained that way. i would like to return to that time. soon.
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Post by shelby on Jun 29, 2011 13:16:51 GMT -5
OK have a nice day. Not interested in circular arguments so I will just accept my posts will not be addressed to point.
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