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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 28, 2011 21:33:47 GMT -5
I like giving the pledge of allegiance. I wouldn't mind if it was done in school say from the 1st to 7th grades. After that it wouldn't really matter anyway cause kids that age are brain dead. Thinking your making a funny...I find those kids , high school, really quite sharp and into more then you would think...not brain dead at all..
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 28, 2011 21:40:28 GMT -5
I remember when "under God" was added to the pledge, too, dezi. I had the hardest time remembering to say it. Finally, I got used to it. Saying the pledge has never bothered me, but I don't feel it's necessary, either. I see it as something that can be left up to the individual.
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Post by ungenteel on Jun 28, 2011 22:15:15 GMT -5
disgustingly political ... I was in elementary school in the 50's when the words "under God" were added to the pledge by politicians ... one day I came to school and was told by the teachers that we needed to say the "pledge" differently from the way we said it the day before ... nothing more than politicians making hay with political pandering
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Post by AGB on Jun 28, 2011 22:29:59 GMT -5
I think this sums it up for me...
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Post by ungenteel on Jun 28, 2011 22:36:03 GMT -5
it's not that we should say it .. it is the politically derived content ... who perceived some political benefit from adding new words to a long existing 'pledge'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 5:30:37 GMT -5
AGB... but wasn't that soldier defending the individual freedoms of Americans? Isn't it a paradox? Why should the soldier demand/expect a pledge to the flag? When it is counter to what he was fighting to protect?
I'd just as soon go up and shake his hand and tell him how much i appreciate the sacrifices he has made for our country, and ask if there is anything i can do for him, or his family, or to honor HIM... not pledge allegience to a symbol...
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 29, 2011 7:33:26 GMT -5
I support the pledge and the "under God" clause. However, the practice of reciting it incessantly seems a little outdated.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2011 8:13:44 GMT -5
AGB... but wasn't that soldier defending the individual freedoms of Americans? Isn't it a paradox? Why should the soldier demand/expect a pledge to the flag? When it is counter to what he was fighting to protect? I'd just as soon go up and shake his hand and tell him how much i appreciate the sacrifices he has made for our country, and ask if there is anything i can do for him, or his family, or to honor HIM... not pledge allegience to a symbol... well said, oped.
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 9:04:11 GMT -5
AGB... but wasn't that soldier defending the individual freedoms of Americans? Isn't it a paradox? Why should the soldier demand/expect a pledge to the flag? When it is counter to what he was fighting to protect? I'd just as soon go up and shake his hand and tell him how much i appreciate the sacrifices he has made for our country, and ask if there is anything i can do for him, or his family, or to honor HIM... not pledge allegience to a symbol... I guess we view it differently? I don't see the soldier demanding or expecting the pledge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 11:58:41 GMT -5
Ok so the teacher is just using him to guilt the kid? Still don't think it's the only/ best way to honor/ show respect.
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 12:32:26 GMT -5
Ok so the teacher is just using him to guilt the kid? Still don't think it's the only/ best way to honor/ show respect. I don't see it as guilting either... more as teaching the student what his right is and at what price it came. Too many kids don't have a clue about these things, the bigger picture... and some may change their minds if they did. And no, it certainly is not the only or best way to show honor, respect or even patriotism... it is one way, and I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I support the student's right to not stand or say the pledge, but if he was my kid, we would talk. It's a decision that should be made based on knowledge, not ignorance. And imo... I don't see how someone would make the choice not to stand if they knew at what price that right came?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2011 12:37:25 GMT -5
Ok. I'm sorry i don't remember everyone, so djlung are you 'liberal' or 'conservative' or whatever (either as you would define yourself, or as you would be defined on this board... i know they differ...) Yes... that is exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for... thanks. you can call me dj. i don't think anyone else here goes by that name. and i think of my self as libertarian, but more of a centrist. i am a registered Republican, but the GOP is not fiscally conservative any more, so i tend to vote third party in elections. social liberal, fiscal conservative. not really at home in either party.
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